Disco ruins music...AGAIN///Hello...its 2004!!!!

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This electroclash disco-punk neo new-wave dance art shit needs to stop! All of a sudden all my friends are spending all their time at 'trendy' bars (Rodan, Sonitheque, etc.) buying expensive drinks, listening to shitty techno DJs, and 'sneaking' off to the bathroom to do coke. And this is practically every night of the week. But I digress. A lot of bands are making dance music to try and get the 'apathetic' kids to dance (and start a revolution in the process?) and look sexy for the zeros or whatever. "This is dance music, you can dance to this because it has a funky beat. Go ahead, its ok." Whatever happened to moving your body to the band no matter what kind of music they played? I'd rather dance to The Oblivians or Lost Sounds than to !!! any day.

― Cassandra Goodman, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

You go girlfriend!

― Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Whaddaya mean, AGAIN?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

People dancing to anything is good. There's not enough dancing.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the "electroclash disco-punk neo new-wave dance art shit" was over by now?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It's true, acoustic guitars are going for THOUSANDS of dollars on Ebay.

― Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

But why are people in the 'underground' acting like dancing is this new subversive political thing to do? Its getting ridiculous.

― Cassandra Goodman, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I was once told off for dancing in NYC...I was at a Ben Folds Five show!

I was young and foolish.

― Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the thread title will make people click fervently, then they will see what a pile of shit it is and be disappointed

― Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"ILX"

― Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

What do you call a Dublin girl before sex?\\\

A Protestant.

― Cassandra Goodman, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought it was a calum thread

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

the cause, query, and answer can all be answered with the simple truism that 18-22 years are excessively self-important and do too many drugs.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.boysoloist.com/singercovers/uk-wilde-disco-fr.jpg

― Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Cassandra, you should organize a record-burning at a major sports event!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i suggest a celebrity poker showdown

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

try to kill dave foley with a piece of flying, flaming dfa shrapnel

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Can you dig it?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

jess--i always appreciate the input of a nostalgia-baked record hag, but i am older than you suggested and have way too little access to drugs to be such an imbiber as you intimated.

― Cassandra Goodman, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think he's saying YOU are a self-important drugged-up 18-22 yr old.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

mmmmmm, nostalgia bake

― Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

the way they used to make

― Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

EXCESSIVELY self-important u say??/

― \(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

it was sort of a general indictment.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

this is to differentiate from typical basic human self-importance!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

All of a sudden all my friends are spending all their time at 'trendy' bars (Rodan, Sonitheque, etc.) buying expensive drinks, listening to shitty techno DJs, and 'sneaking' off to the bathroom to do coke. And this is practically every night of the week.

OUTRAGEOUS!!! What will those kids think of next?!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i always thought it was "Music" that ruined disco.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

if i did a chart it would run

most least

babies -> politicians -> twentysomethings -> chocoholics -> the rest

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

What will those kids think of next?!

They need to start vanity production companies IMMEDIATELY. There is a real niche there!

― Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

ic ruins disco...AGAIN///Hello...its 2004!!!!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

(oh fuck me)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.outernetweb.com/focal/disco/photos/ddpic1.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

does this mean i get a free pass on being a douchebag? sw33t

― \(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

keep reaching for that rainbow detroit

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Jess--I hereby retract my defensive and hasty attack. You were right to begin with. I'll go and burn a Rapture record now.

― Cassandra Goodman, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU ARE RUNING OUR PRECIOUS CONTINUUM

― Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

wait.. disco demolition? i thought all those people holding "disco sucks" sign were comparing Loleatta Holloway to the pleasure of receiving oral sex?

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Noise/Garage Rock/Indie/Rap/Klezmer ruins music...AGAIN///Hello...its 2004!!!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Discophobia: The hatred that unifies us.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

For like the first three weeks I knew about GI Joe I thought Destro's name was Disco.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.outernetweb.com/focal/disco/photos/ddpic9.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I could've stuck with that misconception, the world would be SO MUCH MORE FUCKING ENTERTAINING nowadays.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The Dream of Authenticity and Aesthetic Purity ruins music...AGAIN///Hello...its 2004!!!!

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Why can't all music sound like Neutral Milk Hotel?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

― Professor Challenger (ex machina), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Why can't it all sound like Carcass?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer, do you appreciate the irony of "One More Time" being a baseball stadium staple over the past few years (yes, even this year in SF and LA)?

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I love my fellow Chicagoans.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Back at ya homeslice.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

why do disgruntled indie kids sound like pensioners

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

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I am sad about one of the Weather Girls dying. I danced with her on a stage in 1999. She might have kissed me on the cheek - although it might have been the other one.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 September 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I've heard that song. For some reason he has something against the Datsun Z. Fucker.

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if he still DJs in Chicago and knows about this whole "house" thing.

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay ALACAZR RULES YOU ALL.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

david lynch is so disco it hurts

OTMFM

this has made my day! thank you!!

― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Talking about whether things are disco or not is the new talking about whether things are noise or not.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

we might need a Disco Dudes board

― Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Noise Disco: imPLOG

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i think mu is kinda noizedisco.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 30 September 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

mu is fuckin genius too

how about a noise disco new wave art shit board?

― tricky disco (disco stu), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

hold the pickles

― Brigadier Rainham Steele, Mrs (blueski), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

imPLOG...tonight at APT. post-punk disco funk, plus lots of higsons...tonight at APT. I'm digging in the disco-punk crates tonight at APT.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

leaving for the other siiiiiide.... gonna take a postpunk disco diiiive...

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

noise disco = VIKI

― Professor Challenger (ex machina), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey JBR, I picked up some CD-R Italo disco mix (by DJ Derugghio or something) at Other Music a couple weeks ago. I finally got around to listening to it and *WOW* it's great - highly recommended and there's now a Vol 2!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

This Other Music, btw.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yo Spencer, I'll be all up in your area very very soon. If you burn me a copy of this I'll hook you up with something equally awesome.

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You're on.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 30 September 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the guy who did that mix, APT music director Alec "Italo" Deruggiero is DJing at APT with me tonight, as well as Ulysses. His mix has some great stuff on it, but it's CRIMINAL to only play the instrumental of Love N Music by RIS. I'll take that up with him tonight.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Love the mix! Picked it up completely randomly (the cover is hilarious).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 30 September 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Alec was playing Pineapples when I showed up to APT tonight.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 1 October 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

hey... just to butt in for a moment... I bought that Italo Deruggiero CD when I was in New York back in August (you might remember I asked for some suggestions on clubs to check out, and I got some really helpful responses and had a great time... so, thanks for that)...
anyway, I love that CD to death (*especially* "Love N Music"... and there's a BETTER version?) and I can't quite seem to figure out if it's order-able from Other Music online... don't see it listed anywhere... and... well.. I was gonna ask if anyone knows of a way to mailorder the new one, but now that I think of it, I'll probably just email Other Music and see if I can do some kind of special order... but I'll just go ahead and post this anyway, unrelated as it is.

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You should call them. I'm going to call them to order volume2 tomorrow. Just describe the cover to them and tell them it was on the shelf near the south-west corner.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

noice... I'll do that

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I've been hearing "Don Quichotte" out alot in L.A. which is heartening!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

for a limited time:

http://www.acuterecords.com/LoveNMusic.mp3

it's 9 megs, so those of you w/ 1200 baud modems better upgrade to 2400 baud.

Man, it's funny seeing stuff spread. How many people were playing Don Quixote 2, 3 years ago? How soon untill Magazine 60 go on a big reunion tour to cash in on renewed interest?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

boy... the apt show that happened tonight looks like it must have been cool.
I like xlr8r a lot and am always trying to come up with a scheme by which I could work there.

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks for that link!
I'm checking it out now

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

They never really stopped playing "Don Quichotte" on L.A. Latin/Urban stations, but it's "trickling-down" to the hipster places I frequent. I just keep thinking "MORE KANO"!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

shoot... I'm a pretty big fan of acute records too... don't have the branca stuff though

but I enjoy Metal Urbain a lot... and LOVE some of the stuff on the Metal Boys reissue (esp. X-Mas Day & He's Shaken Up)... on the x-country trip mentioned, I was really excited to get an old metal urbain/boys 7" in RI. Must have been some kind of transitional thing I guess... it was Sweet Marilyn & Fugue for a Darkening Island, but credited as Metal Boys.

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks for the link Dan! this is amazing!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:37 (twenty-one years ago)

it's great to have the full version of this track... the synth riffs just kill it for me everytime... sound quality's a lot better than on the comp cd too... again, thanks!

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

um kill it in the good way

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

That's interesting, Spencer, I'd never really heard Don Quichotte on the radio so when hip DJs started playing it around here as part of the italo revival, I had no idea, maybe it was regionally more of hit in LA or Chicago then NY.

Sweet Marilyn originally came out on a Rough Trade 7" credited to the Metal Boys. It wasn't untill our Metal Urbain/Boys reissues that they decided to include it on the former instead of the latter. I think in hindsight, they see it as more of a Metal Urbain track then Metal Boys, I guess. But the single you got was the only time it was ever released untill they put it on the Metal Urbain CD we put out.

The party was pretty fun. Italo D. was playing when I showed up but left shortly after (after getting me a free beer that is...) Then Roy Dank spun some great stuff, new and old, then I went on for like 2 hours then turned it over to Ulysses. I played so much stuff I haven't played out in ages and that APT probably doesn't hear very often. APB, 23 Skidoo, The Dance, Cristina, Dislocation Dance, the Higsons, Orange Juice, The Fire Engines, Haircut 100, Cabaret Voltaire (Breath Deep), Lavi Ebbel, Swamp Children, Bow Wow Wow, Adam and the Ants, Essential Logic, Delta 5, Marine, Paul Haig, Captain Sensible etc. I didn't play imPLOG!, though I brought it.

The real party for this issue is tomorrow (tonight) at the Frying Pan w/ James Murphy etc, and tonight not that many people showed up specifically for the mag, though people seemed to have a good time regardless. Go Go Go Airheart came down as they're in town and James Friedman and Mattie from the Rapture showed up, so definitely some local music "heads" were there, but not the rowdy crowd of punkers I hoped.

(while I have yr attention, those in the NYC area looking for a fun down-to-earth party saturday night, check out http://alldisco.net/ . Definitely NOT a party for disco haters)

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:41 (twenty-one years ago)

oh and thanks for the kind words re: acute. we have a lot of cool stuff planned, and maybe a website some day.

As far as Kano, now that's a record that's always been popular in NY, no small part of that due to it's coming out on Emergency most likely.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm emailing you first, next time I'm in town!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

that's why I started this:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/nyhappenings/

3 years ago!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

sounds like a great bunch of tracks... really making me wish I was in the area (at the moment I'm pretty much immobile in San Jose, CA... ah well)

x-post (I'm reallly slow)

yeah, I saw that the Metal Boys cd got a thrashing at all music, which kind of baffled me, since I think I kind of like it *more* than the Metal Urbain one... it's got more ups and downs for me, which I like, and the songs verge on the extremely creepy a lot more.

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Friday, 1 October 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

many people like Metal Boys more...I never expected it to have the kind of appeal Metal Urbain does, there's definitely people, a small nicher perhaps, who were going to totally love the Metal Boys, and they've given it a great response.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 1 October 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

My; original message's intent: The dancing should serve the music, never the other way around. Shallow bartalk is the new comradery; Buying cocaine and tearin' it up at the club every other night is not living within your means when you don't have a job.

aka: things are stupid lately

― Cassandra Goodman, Saturday, 2 October 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

music to serve dancing is an entirely different aesthethic. The best of the new bands who are doing this know this well, and also know the difficulty of both trying to write "pop" songs (of the post-punk style) that are also dance songs. Sometimes it's difficult because you have to stop dancing so hard to look up and watch the band. It's nice when the song can be both a great song and a dance song, but my favorite music for dancing often doesn't hold up, as in it is repetitive and designed to be enjoyed while dancing. But saying the dancing should never serve the music isn't fare to people who not only really like to dance, but really like to dance to the kind of music that is more good dance music then it is pop music.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 2 October 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM, Dan. It's easy to be cynical and assume that everyone in a club is there to pose, be seen and do drugs. I'm not nearly pretty enough to pose and be seen, and I never really got too deep into drugs, so that leaves the dancing. And I love to dance.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 2 October 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

shame shame shame shame shame shame shame, shame on you,
...if you can't dance too.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 2 October 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The dancing should serve the music, never the other way around.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by this a bit?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 2 October 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"Can't sep-a-rate my body and my soul they can be one"

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 2 October 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I was once told off for dancing in NYC...I was at a Ben Folds Five show!

I'll take "Things that I didn't know could be done" for $500, Alex.

― Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Saturday, 2 October 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I meant all people.

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 2 October 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Could you elaborate on what you mean by this a bit?

I think Cassandra means that artists should say things like "We make our music for people to listen to while sitting down, and if they dance... well it's a bonus".

― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 2 October 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

this ris track is great! it should be the ilm theme! the break kills me.

― tricky disco (disco stu), Sunday, 3 October 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I still think more people should play BADAZZ.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Sunday, 3 October 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

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