I've got a long standing debt which I've been paying at a small amount per month and am likely to do so for quite some time yet.... Unless I really get my backside in gear and up the payments, relinquishing a few indulgences in the meantime, ie meals out, the notion of a weekend away, a new winter coat etc - then I could probably have it gone by early next year.
It seems sensible to buck up and get the debt gone, but I barely notice it's there just now cause I'm paying the bare minimum.
Anybody else in this quandry? Any sensible adults who can convince me to do the right thing?
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm not sure whether this is strictly speaking The Law - it isn't, thankfully, a situation I've had to deal with - but I've heard of it happening to other people in this kind of situation.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)
It can be very soul destroying to pile every penny into paying debt off, and it must feel like your whole life is on hold. Rather than blowing out on a weekend abroad though, could you take a couple of days off for a long weekend, but stay at home and have several days out locally, or go and stay with some friends and go sightseeing in their locality, rather than just going to the pub?
You need to give yourself goals, and let's face it, just getting rid of the debt isn't a great one when there are more immediate things grabbing your attention. So pick goals, like a weekend away, but only if you pay off a certain amount by a certain date, and make it a challenge so that you try your hardest to achieve it.
― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)
It's just this one thing which is hanging over my head like a big black cloud, even though it's not causing me any major problems just now. I'd like to live debt free, but the easy option is just to carry on enjoying myself. Why can't I be grown up about this?
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)
The sense of relief and achievment will be great as well, after all I've been carrying this around with me for years.
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)
Actually that's a lie. I'll only be buying the trainers.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)
In all honesty RP I had the same decision to make a few months ago. My eminently sensible g/f chided me relentlessly into just buckling down and clearing my various debts, and life is now so wonderfully uncomplicated. So: clear 'em.
― Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)
Can you maybe treat it like a diet, making concerted efforts to watch your spending followed by a treat of some kind, such as the weekend away with friends Vic mentioned?
― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)
Which I then built up again by buying a digital camera and Denon mini system.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)
if i were in your situation, i'd spend some time with the debt calculator, and figure out when you want to have your debt paid off-- does it have to be jan 05, or is march ok for you? then i'd see how much money i've got extra each month, and decide if that's then 'treat money' or if it's going to get shoved at the debt to make it go away even faster. and if it's a treat, you can figure out how far you can go on it.
i'm pretty good at trips on the cheap, and i think they make a big difference to quality of life. find somewhere really cheap and do that (to be fair, you might find that it's cheaper to do a week in spain-- packages from like £80, which is possibly cheaper than a weekend in the UK somewhere)
also, don't forget to factor in some extra money around the holidays into your budget...
― colette (a2lette), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)
We could really do with a big rise in interest rates at the moment and tighten up the laws on credit criteria, bad debt and bankruptcy - it might teach some of these credit users a lesson, namely that if you want something but can't afford it, then we're very sorry but you can't have it. Come back when you've saved up enough money or worked hard or long enough to earn the money to pay for it.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)
We split up, I was left in a desperate situation and had to prioritise to keep a roof over my head, consequently some of the lesser debts were put on the back burner. I managed to finally get things in order - it has taken me the best part of seven years.
I am finally in the position to enjoy my life having clawed my way out of the worst of the damage. The question I am asking, Marcello, does not beg your kind of answer.
But thank you anyway.
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)
I am a sophisticated fellow. Only Rockpool and Oliver Sweeney finely-tooled shoes will do for me. All of which I pay for with Real Money that I've earned!
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)
Call me old fashioned. I'm just funny that way.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)
No one knows more than her just what price she paid for her and her partners actions years ago, but she's taken action, and can see the light at the end and personally I think she deserves applause for getting to where she is now, when so many people let it destroy them.
― Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)
The moral being, readers: don't make a mess of your life in the first place.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)
I can't really get a grip on his recent stuff - as with a lot of other acts recently (e.g. Bjork) it sounds like he's making records to please Wire writers. The last of his clanking furnace records I really went for was Bone Machine which you should definitely get - some of his fiercest (but not self-consciously fierce) stuff is on there.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)
Most people who make financial mistakes pay a heavy penalty for doing so, and certainly 'learn their lesson' and can pass on their experience as a warning to their friends. I don't understand why you feel that other people's financial mistakes give you the right to act so sanctimoniously. No one here is justifying debt. (apart from Nick!)
― Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello's Boss (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)
(xpost 2)What do you mean when I'm old & lonely? I AM old & lonely!!
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)
Everything Marcello.
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)
Everything in my garden is indeed rosy, but then again everything in my garden is paid for.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)
Widowed at 37? I wouldn't call that lucky.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)
We had savings, which were going to go towards buying a house as well as bringing up kids, etc. But when Laura died I had to use the money (a) to pay for her funeral (and headstone); (b) to pay off all our credit card debts (following which I burned all our credit cards, and since then I have done all my transactions in cash); and (c) to pay for my own relocation costs from Oxford to London.
So three autumns ago I was on the verge of being broke. I am not broke now, and the money I now earn doesn't make me any happier, but life is easier to live with it than it was without it, even if my "life" is only an "existence."
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)
but that only happened when you reached a major crisis point in your life. which, clearly, pink and rumpy aren't in. rumpy has said that she'll be free of debt in around 6 months, which, after carrying and paying it off for 7 years, is admirable. that's why i think she should allow herself small, affordable, treats.
i can understand wanting to give the 'don't carry debt' advice to someone, once you've converted to that lifestyle. it's a good aspiration, and probably more people should try it. but being so condescending to someone that's clearly worked hard to sort out her finanical issues isn't the way to do that at all.
― colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Simon (flameproof) (Flameproof), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)
(This will not work if your debt is very large and your repayments very small, however)
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm a sucker for visual representation.
― Simon (flameproof) (Flameproof), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)