Making decent coffee at home - how is it done?

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I am a coffee snob/addict, and yet I am incapable of making a good, even drinkable, cup of coffee at home. I use one of these things:
http://www.abbode-cookware.co.uk/acatalog/CAFETIERE-Verona%203-6--8%20cup.JPG

and I buy beans and grind them myself, making sure that they are a little coarse (that's how it is done, right?) and yet the results are variable, ranging from bitter to tasteless. What am I doing wrong??

Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

what kind of beans do you buy? how much do you use?

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I tried Peet's beans and some Sumatra shit from Trader Joe's. How does one quantify how many? I try different amounts. Two or three tablespoons, maybe? To almost fill one of those things above (it is the larger kind, not the one-cup kind).

Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

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sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

espresso fetish to thread! or at least col ot trayce!

gaz (gaz), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Cafe Bustelo, which is pretty strong, but I don't think I'm a coffee snob, so I'm not sure about the intricate details of its taste on ones palate.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Cafe Bustelo... oh man, I miss that stuff so much. It's better than strong, it's like espresso or something, isn't it? I just remember when my housemate had to make us stop drinking it because we were starting to vibrate instead of just shake.

Danger Whore (kate), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd throw the infuser/plunger thingy to start

gaz (gaz), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I think that's the problem too. But what to replace it with?

Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

two or three tablespoons might be too much coffee for a press that size. Try one 1/2 or even one (I don't know how many cups that has, but maybe 6?). Also, peets beans are very bitter in general, so use less of them or try another type. They should be able to advise you at the shop how to make it taste good, although, I can't actually drink anything they brew there, so maybe not.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I think Cafe Bustelo is supposed to be espresso, but I use it for my morning cup of coffee.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i have a decent autodrip and it makes great coffee, provided I buy the right beans, which Jeremiah's Pick Mocha Java is NOT, going by the package I just bought.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

what is an autodrip?

Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

JIM'S ORGANIC FRENCH ROAST.

IAN U CAN BUY IT AT TOPS.


IT PWNZ

DEEBZ (ddb), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

something like this:

http://img.alibaba.com/img/product/50/06/60/50066047.jpg

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

How long do you let the coffee steep before plunging?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a cafetiere plunger.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Use water that's just off the boil, rather than boiling. Maybe filter the water?

Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

All v. good advice.

Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Buy a gaggia. Make your own espresso-based drinks at home. Become your own barista. It's great. Bloke is a colossal coffee nerd and he buys Palombino beans, grinds them himself (he has two coffee grinders, one for espresso and one for regular filter coffee) and puts them through the Gaggia. He froths the milk too.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck frothing.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

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lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

You can get a decent cup with the French Press thing you've got.

1) Get whole beans, like you already do. For cheap, good stuff available in most US metropolises, I suggest Whole Foods brand, in the big plastic bag

2) Store beans in airtight container

3) Grind when you use, or just enough for a few days at a time

4) Use a fairly decent amount of grounds, maybe fill that thing about 1/8 up with grounds (you'll have to experiment to see what you like, but don't skimp)

5) The filtered water suggestion is good, if you can do it.

6) Pour in the water, just off the boil, and stir the grounds into it with a spoon.

7) Let it brew a little while for better flavor -- I think between 5-10 minutes works well.

8) Push down the plunger slowly, it should be slightly difficult or else your coffee's ground too fine or there's not enough of it.

9) Better?

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I was going to start this thread. I've had a little more luck lately with a percolator -- two heaping tablespoons of coffee per six ounces of water (but you lose a lot of water to the steam so you have to add more than you need). i let it percolate on high heat for a while, pouring out a little into a cup every few minutes to check the progress. it's done when it looks like real coffee.

pfeffernuesse (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Bustelo's the best. You can get in even in the ghettoest of ghettos.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Adam,

Don't buy French or Italian roast. Buy mocha java beans.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Bustelo's is terrible

DEEBZ (ddb), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael White is OBV DRUNK. FRENCH ROAST IS THE BEST.

WHY DID I THINK THIS WAS IAN'S THREAD??

AM I DRUNK?

DEEBZ (ddb), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you ever sober?

Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Most of the time, well at work, yes...sadly.

DEEBZ (ddb), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

ddb,

I think French Roast beans are over baked and I think they're overbaked 'cause they weren't that good to begin with.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree that mocha java is the best; the Peet's Arabian Mocha Java is excellent. I don't like french roast at all. French TOAST though, mmmmm!

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really understand percolators - don't they boil the fuck out of coffee?

Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

There's no need for language.

Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

You're right. Sorry.

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Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

french roast is nasty.

alba - only if you're not paying attention. i've had coffee boil down to sludge because i forgot i had it going.

pfeffernuesse (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Even the French don't bake their beans as much as French roast. Arabica beans medium roast is the way to go.

Since my gf doesn't really drink coffee at home, I just make espresso. Illy is choice.

Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

1) CLEAN EQUIPMENT
Filters, coffee-makers and all other equipment should be thoroughly cleaned after each use. If allowed to remain, the sediment can absorb odours and the remaining coffee oils may turn rancid. A combination of baking soda and water is the best cleaning agent.

this is u&k.

pfeffernuesse (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't let it steep over 4 minutes. Anything else and it can become bitter.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bialetti.it/moka.gif

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

(I have one that plugs in and doesn't even need to go on the hob in my room. so gooood.)

cis (cis), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick, the water boils but has cooled down below 100 degrees by the time it comes into contact with the grounds. The coffee jug is never heated that high either - in fact (anathema to most, I'm sure) I have to microwave my coffee most of the time as it's not hot enough after I've added the milk.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

folgers owns, u r all gay.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

GET INSTANT CAFE BUSTELO. TWO TEASPOONS INTO MUG, THEN HALF FULL OF WATER THEN SOME WHOLE MILK. ONE OR TWO THINGS OF SUGAR. PRESTO YOU ARE DONE. THAT IS WHAT THEY SERVE AT "CHRIST COFFEE" AND THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

And also for everyone.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Ever since I read that Jeffrey Steingarten article about roasting the coffee beans at home (the only way to get a truly fresh taste, apparently), I've wanted to try that out. But these days coffee seems to be very bad for my health, so I shouldn't get carried away with my coffee fetish.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Roasting at home is a given. If you're at all serious about coffee, you really ought to be growing the beans at home.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

http://coffeeproject.com/index.html

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Amateurs.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Those one cup cone filters that you put on top of the cup actually make pretty decent coffee. Get a coffee grinder too, because freshly ground does taste better. Experiment with different grinding times and amounts until you get the taste you like. Usually two rounded tablespoons per cup is about right. I usually grind for about 25 seconds.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

instant coffee and some decent cream is all you need at home. there was similiar thread on this, where i said the same thing and then tracer had something to add to the recipie, he really does pick up every stitch

kephm (kephm), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bialetti.it/moka.gif

seconded. I just use it with Illy or Lavazza or whatever.

if I don't have time, I just use those coffees with one of the plastic over cup cone filters.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 October 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Does your espresso tell you the future? I didn't think so.

Maria, Monday, 29 December 2008 04:21 (sixteen years ago)

i'll admit that I have no clairvoyance with my coffee. But I have the classic European disdain for everything Turkish (I've watched Midnight Express).

what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, 29 December 2008 04:23 (sixteen years ago)

Then I watched something that said Midnight Express was a load of shit but that Turkey was still a load of horseshit.

what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, 29 December 2008 04:23 (sixteen years ago)

Turkey is actually pretty awesome, at least as far as food, scenery, language, and archaeology go. And I learned to make Turkish coffee from the Armenian side of my family, so not people who are likely to rave about Turkey's greatness.

As a matter of fact, because of their feelings toward Turkey, a lot of Armenians call it "Armenian coffee" or just consider it default coffee. In Greek they call it "Greek coffee" too. In Russia you can get it as "Turkish coffee," "Armenian coffee," "Georgian coffee," or "Eastern-style coffee," depending on what kind of restaurant you're in. So even among people who like Turkey a lot less than you do, the coffee is still beloved!

Maria, Monday, 29 December 2008 04:31 (sixteen years ago)

we just got a turkish coffee pot and it's great! if you don't like turkey you can pick some other country that makes it that way, yeah xp

ill c u n may Schwwwwwww (harbl), Monday, 29 December 2008 04:32 (sixteen years ago)

I CANNOT vouch enough for the Aeropress. Miles above my drip and/or french press

http://www.aerobie.com/Products/aeropress_story.htm
https://www.coffeemakersetc.com/images/aeropress.jpg

bro pono (PappaWheelie V), Monday, 29 December 2008 04:36 (sixteen years ago)

^ very intriguing

a better command of the mummy language (joygoat), Monday, 29 December 2008 05:20 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

My coffee making ability is one of the few eternally consistent skills I can depend on, but after three months with a new french press I'm ready to give up. I'm doing all the right things (filtered water, fresh ground beans, etc.) and was making great coffee for about a month but now I've hit a slump that I haven't been able to dig out of.

Is this where I just give up and get a Capresso?

(I did have an Aeropress, but ran out of the filters and lost one of the pieces during a move)

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 01:47 (fifteen years ago)

could be that the oils which have accumulated in the press are starting to go rancid. clean it with some hot water and non-scented soap?

dyao, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 03:05 (fifteen years ago)

i went in a slump w/ french press and now i just use more grounds. i never bothered with filtered water tbh.

this is awful I want Togo home (harbl), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 03:06 (fifteen years ago)

filtered water could be a problem too - water for coffee should be mineral-y, distilled and/or filtered water will make a flat cuppa

dyao, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 03:07 (fifteen years ago)

over filtered water, I mean.

dyao, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 03:07 (fifteen years ago)

I think I need to buy a new stovetop machine, my Vev machine is about 12 years old now and starting to get a bit ratty.

ABBAcab (Trayce), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 04:03 (fifteen years ago)

Hmmmm.... I was worried that I was using too much grounds. The press itself is a few months old and I rinse/wash it out after each use. Filtered water comes out of a Britta pitcher.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 06:04 (fifteen years ago)

well coffee oils do tend to stick around even after a rinse/wash - try using really hot water, or some kind of odorless detergent. another thought: water at boiling temperature can overextract the coffee grinds - you get too much caffeine which will make the cup bitter. so things to try: vary water temperature (maybe 30 seconds off the boil?) and also vary brewing time.

dyao, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 06:05 (fifteen years ago)

also, stirring is another factor to consider

dyao, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 06:06 (fifteen years ago)

wiping down the parts of a press with a paper towel should also reduce a lot of the leftover oils too.

dyao, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 06:11 (fifteen years ago)

i need a french press. i feel like the normal brewing system is just a pain and that i waste a lot of grounds?

tehresa, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 06:13 (fifteen years ago)

i mean, i've had my technique down for years and i make great coffee but i feel like i would use less coffee if i was french pressing.

tehresa, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 06:14 (fifteen years ago)

Was completely unable to make a decent cup in our normal coffee maker (filter + water heater into jug - is that a 'drip'?)... but loving my newfound French press/ cafetiere skills. Seems to need a lot less coffee too.

Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 06:19 (fifteen years ago)

try flushing it w/ vinegar like people do regular coffee makers

they want a fapz (tremendoid), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 06:21 (fifteen years ago)

xp elvis

they want a fapz (tremendoid), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 06:21 (fifteen years ago)

Bought a "3-cup" (one mug) french press yesterday b/c I think it will be a while before I can replace the portafilter.

So far my first two pots (at two different coarse grind settings) have come out pretty bad. The conclusion may be that either (1) Trader Joe's Free Trade Nicaraguan is just not very good coffee or (2) There's some kind of residue on the FP from manufacturing (it did have a slightly odd smell even after I washed it)

pithfork (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)

could be the grind? for a french press, you want your grind to be as fine as possible without making your coffee too muddy

dyao, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)

once u go bialetti u never go back

max, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 18:46 (fifteen years ago)

don't you mean blacketti, max

dyao, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 18:47 (fifteen years ago)

The Trader Joe's coffee is likely not that great to begin with. Do you have a local store that has freshly roasted coffee you could try?

The grind should be fairly coarse for a french press but as fine as you can get without it getting muddy like dyao said. The water should be about 10 degrees cooler than boiling: you could boil then pour into another cup to cool it a bit. At that size you probably don't want it to steep more than 3 minutes or so.

wmlynch, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 18:50 (fifteen years ago)

I had actually made some reasonably ok espresso drinks with the TJ's coffee (I had been forcing myself to stick to that because of the price rather than go with my favored local roaster), but it may just be that all the frothed milk was masking the funkiness.

I have actually made decent coffee in other peoples' french presses before - I usually boil water and then wait until all boiling sound is gone to pour. Maybe I used too coarse a grind? I also could have oversteeped it - in fact that seems a likely culprit when I think about it - didn't occur to me that a smaller press probably warranted less steeping.

pithfork (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 18:57 (fifteen years ago)

The aeropress is great for being able to clean it completely, with disposable (and compostable) filters. My coffee never tasted as good with a french press, even though I cleaned it every day.

blow it out your bad-taste hole (WmC), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 19:04 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah I think with less grounds you'll not want them in the water as long as with an 8 cup press. Coarseness all depends on the screen in the press. If it's too fine you'll see the grounds in the cup and with a blade grinder you'll definitely have some sludge regardless of what you do.

If you like the TJ's coffee then that's probably not the problem, though you are correct that milk will cover up many off flavors.

Man now I want some coffee.

wmlynch, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 19:06 (fifteen years ago)

my girlfriend just moved into a new apartment and she doesn't own any sort of coffee-making device, so I've been improvising. using lots of coarse grounds in a tea press has worked surprisingly well.

some pretty girls make bigger graves than others (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 19:15 (fifteen years ago)

also I've been drinkin' coffee out of bowls lately and would recommend that everyone try it at least once -- seems like maybe the broader surface area helps release more aromas or something (beer-snob glass debates to thread?), but I could be fulla shit.

some pretty girls make bigger graves than others (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 19:17 (fifteen years ago)

coffee from a bowl = win

VegemiteGrrrl, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 20:12 (fifteen years ago)

my girlfriend just moved into a new apartment and she doesn't own any sort of coffee-making device, so I've been improvising. using lots of coarse grounds in a tea press has worked surprisingly well.

― some pretty girls make bigger graves than others (bernard snowy), Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:15 PM Bookmark

Yeah but it'll kill the tea press for teamaking.

pithfork (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

THIS AEROPRESS RULES

the mandy moorhols (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 30 August 2012 14:56 (thirteen years ago)

otm

just sayin, Thursday, 30 August 2012 15:40 (thirteen years ago)

I don't even drink coffee! It was a post-breakup impulse buy but unlike the Sega Saturn I got in 2005 I think I will actually use this thing more than 3 or 4 times (it helps to work at a store w/ really good Equal Exchange coffee in bulk)

the mandy moorhols (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 30 August 2012 15:45 (thirteen years ago)

I just made an iced latte w/ that milkshakey tasting 365 vanilla almond milk and it was like daaaaaaaamn

the mandy moorhols (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 30 August 2012 15:46 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

Hey folks! I thought I'd share my little method for making coffee, it's nothing special but I find it makes a satisfying cup in the morning! It's pourover, which means you're going to only get one cup at a time, but I find the process to be relaxing. Almost zen! I use a ceramic Hario V60 Ceramic Coffee Dripper, but I may get something else. They make a great kettle (see below) but the dripper tends to slip on the cups it came with. It may work better in another setup.

- Select Two Tablespoons of whole bean coffee (roast of your choice, I use "Kicking Horse" medium roast mostly.)
- Grind for twelve seconds (I do a quick count to 25 myself, it finishes around 12 seconds!)
- Pour hot water over from a kettle (I use the Hario V60 Buono) over an unbleached filter in the manner in which you'll do the pourover.
- Heat 10 oz of water in the kettle*. Some folks like 6 oz for every two tablespoons, this amount is simply my own preference. Adjust if you feel like it!
- Pour the ground beans into the filter, then do a circular pour over the beans until they're steeped. The water should drip through in about thirty seconds!
- Once it drips through, pour the remainder of the water down into the center of the filter.
- Enjoy!

*This should only take a couple of minutes. I heat the water well shy of the boiling point. With my kettle you can swish it around and hear the telltale "hiss" from the water splashing on the sides of the kettle. That's when I know it's ready! You should barely see any steam bubbles in the water.

Try it this way, I hope you like it! If not, no problem! There are dozens of ways to brew a good cup!

- CB

Coffee Bob, Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:09 (eleven years ago)

fucking dripper you got a cheek callin yourself coffee bob

nakh is the wintour of our diss content (darraghmac), Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:20 (eleven years ago)

http://pollards.com/how-to-use-hario-v60/hario-v60-filter-coffee-set-up/

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Thursday, 28 August 2014 00:28 (eleven years ago)

Hey pal I'm not here to step on anyone's toes, I just posted to talk about coffee. But I'll step aside, I'm not here to steal anyone's thunder or stir up trouble.

- CB

Coffee Bob, Thursday, 28 August 2014 02:12 (eleven years ago)

It's instant, it's fucking Nestle, and yet I can't help but feel the Azera powder stuff is MUCH nicer than anything I get out of a cafetiere. God knows if I'm doing anything wrong, but even quite expensive coffee made in the cafetiere just tastes bitter and horrible.

radioplay vs coldhead (dog latin), Thursday, 28 August 2014 11:34 (eleven years ago)

of course you're doing something wrong man for gods sake

its OK tho azera is fine if yknow well its fine if you like it

nakh is the wintour of our diss content (darraghmac), Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:45 (eleven years ago)

Coffee Bob

famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:55 (eleven years ago)

just thought he'd share his tips about the ceramic Hario V60 Ceramic Coffee Dripper

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:56 (eleven years ago)

no bigs

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:56 (eleven years ago)

he's just a guy.

radioplay vs coldhead (dog latin), Thursday, 28 August 2014 13:57 (eleven years ago)

Wasn't "the drip" once slang for VD?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:02 (eleven years ago)

waiting for the drip.

radioplay vs coldhead (dog latin), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:16 (eleven years ago)


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