Should Britain remain On British Summer Time All Year Round

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It would mean lighter nights all year round. Hundreds of lives would be saved due to les accidents, but scottish mp's always vote against as they say it means darker mornings in Scotland, with schoolchildren walking to school in the dark.

Should Scotland have it's own time zone(affecting business's) and England & Wales remain BST all year or should scotland accept that it's better for the majority of the UK and should me made to accept it.

Your views?

― Shorty, Monday, 11 October 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Scotland should just be ceded to Norway.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we should all have it. Lighter evenings would be so much better.
Imagine walking home from work in daylight all year round(and it would be much safer)

I'd vote for it!

― Shorty, Monday, 11 October 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

the 'safety in the evening' thing conflicts with the 'safety in the morning' thing tho

can't we just abolish Winter?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Bernie Winters, at least.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn those Scots, always ruining it for everyone...

― Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I suppose we could try and right the Earth's axis. Might cause a few problems with ocean currents and that, but hey, why not?

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

How might one actually go about doing that?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, if you get a spaceship to go round and round the earth really fast, until it builds up velocity like a gravitational slingshot...

Oh wait, no, sorry, that's for going back in time, never mind.

― Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, once we introduce URTT, and everyone on earth uses the same timezone this will cease to be a problem. People will just go to work at which ever time is appropriate. In England, 8am; Scotland, 9am; Outer Mongolia 4pm; ect ect.

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

What would happen if we built a huge 'new sun' out past Pluto, that exerted a graviational force equal to that of 'old sun'.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Righting the earths axis? Get a handy asteroid to collide with the planet at the north or south poles? Big nuclear explosion?

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

But... but... if we didn't have the CLIMATE and the RAIN and the WINTER and the MISERY we wouldn't be English!

At least, so sayeth Peter Ackroyd and Albion... don't disabuse me of this notion. Please.

― Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

New sun solution = we would still have winter, and summer would be hotter. More importantly, entire solar system would stop working and we'd all die.

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't really understand where this notion of Britain having bad weather comes from. We happen to live in one of the least extreme and most temperate climates in the world.

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

And wettest.

― Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's more that it's meh than it's bad.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

YES YES YES!!! I'm so for this it hurts.

Actually wasn't there talk of making Winter 2 hours ahead of GMT a few years back?

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, honestly, the Saxons had come from, like, Denmark and Germany. What were they complaining about?

― Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"What would happen if we built a huge 'new sun' out past Pluto, that exerted a graviational force equal to that of 'old sun'."

Too difficult I say we just turn Jupiter into a mini sun ala 2010.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

That was a proper sun, and the monolith helped. No night at all - good or bad?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

so greenwich will never actually be on greenwich mean time? cool!

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe you can build something realllly heavy at one particular spot of the earth to shift its weight distribution enough to correct the torque

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Back to the time zone thing. Why just an hour? Why not move it say, 5 hours forward? Balmy, light evenings all year round! Yeah, so mornings would be dark, but who cares about stupid mornings? They're rubbish anyway.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

As a scot who enjoys light nights and rarely gets up before noon, I offer this idea my wholehearted support.

― strophic (strophic), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

just all work and study from home and all problems are solved.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Instead of changing the clocks, why don't we just get up earlier?

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm cool with whatever

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

RickyT - for similar reasons that I approve of taxation rather than charity.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

In surveys a majority of Scots used to favour remaining on BST. But the last time the issue was being seriously considered the SNP got huge publicity for a disingenuous argument that this was something the English wanted but which would hurt Scotland. The reasons offered didn't stand up to scrutiny but the idea that English would happily make changes that would harm the Scottish economy out of ignorance or indifference struck many Scots as all-too-plausible.

Enough Scots swallowed this twaddle for them to put their personal feelings aside on the basis that they had been told that it would be bad for Scotlands kids going to school/farmers blah blah. Polls started showing a majority of Scots against change.

Not the SNP's (or Alex Salmond's) finest hour. It would be humiliating for Scotland if England changed independently now and Scotland was forced into line for economic reasons, but in this case I think our opportunistic politicians and credulous electorate mean we deserve it.

― frankiemachine, Monday, 11 October 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, we could have a legal 'change of working hours' instead then, Alba.

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

From the BBc Site

"The Scottish Nationalists say they are relaxed about being an hour behind England."

― Alex Salmon, Monday, 11 October 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe they can start school later?

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd vote against BST. Winter mornings would be too dark, and I like it when the sun sets really early.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 11 October 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are you all insistent on complicating the issue? If people stopped going to work we wouldn't need the neato time change thing. All children would still be able to go to school in the dark because parents would be available to drag them there, through the eerie streets and past the unlit lampposts.
Really, though, Daylight Savings Time is such a topic here in New England. As is the weather. It's getting colder! Yeah I know! Yesterday it was in the 70's and now it's 62! I put a jacket on!
As opposed to summer: Boy, it's hot! Yeah, yesterday it was 85 and now it's 92!
I am eagerly anticipating the next round of innocuous converstions: It's gonna get dark earlier soon! Yup, the sun is gonna go down way earlier!
I have no opinion on what should happen in Britain, except that everyone should be able to go to work less. And all children should have to go to school.

― aimurchie, Monday, 11 October 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Scottish Nationalists say they are relaxed about being an hour behind England."

An hour behind is nothing, when the Wee Frees are fifty years behind :-)

― caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

They tried this between 27 October 1968 and 31 October 1971, it meant Scottish schoolchildren having to go to school every morning in pitch blackness and so it was abandoned

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not convinced, my service desk supports users from all over the u.k (I'm in scotland) so it would mean revising out 'tight service window'. Nah, too much faffing around.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

but in midwinter we always ended up going to school in pitch blackness anyway.

― Vicky (Vicky), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

For better or for worse (Worse) all children are driven to school in SUVs these days, making the point moot.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Quite. This kids in the dark argument must be allowed to die.

The Daily Record has a hilarious graphic today, explaining the the proposed changes with the use of four clock faces.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Daily Record:

"Sick Message Board Say Kids In The Dark Must Be Allowed To Die

... on cowardly poster, known only as Alba, spewed out his hatred of Scottish schoolchildren and called for them to be allowed to die...."

― Derridadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I just got told off for saying "Fuck kids!" when someone brought up the kids in the dark argument in my office.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

six years pass...

summer is here?

― mookieproof, Monday, 28 March 2011 23:03 (fourteen years ago)

two years pass...

completely forgot the clocks go back tonight until SNA started going weird

― increasingly desperate demand for high (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 October 2013 00:12 (twelve years ago)

Should the U.S. go back to observing standard time when the rest of the northern hemisphere does it too? (Yes.)

― pplains, Sunday, 27 October 2013 01:10 (twelve years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/FyOKHzO.png

― zanana rebozo (abanana), Sunday, 27 October 2013 01:55 (twelve years ago)

In answer to the thread question: no, because otherwise I would never be able to get up in the morning during late autumn/winter.

― not a lunch that is hot (snoball), Sunday, 27 October 2013 21:24 (twelve years ago)

NO.

And I say that as an oldtimer, who appreciates light deprived depression for the crispy half hearted mental health disorder for what it is.

― Pete, Monday, 28 October 2013 00:43 (twelve years ago)

ten years pass...

your daddy’s rich
and your ma is good-lookin

― mookieproof, Sunday, 31 March 2024 09:08 (one year ago)

In answer to the thread question: no, because otherwise I would never be able to get up in the morning during late autumn/winter.

― not a lunch that is hot (snoball), Sunday, 27 October 2013 21:24 (ten years ago)

LOL joek's on me - since early 2014 I've had a job that requires that I get up at 5am.

― you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Sunday, 31 March 2024 09:29 (one year ago)

Love Daylight Savings. May it never end.

― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 31 March 2024 10:31 (one year ago)

But the death statistics

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 31 March 2024 10:35 (one year ago)

True. Heart attack at Easter Sunday is no fun.

― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 31 March 2024 10:38 (one year ago)

It's fine the rest of the year though.

― The Prime of the Ancient Minister (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 March 2024 10:50 (one year ago)

It has thrown me off this year

― cozen itt (wins), Sunday, 31 March 2024 10:55 (one year ago)

going to guildford for the day. head an absolute mess

― imago, Sunday, 31 March 2024 10:58 (one year ago)

I’ve got lunch at my mum’s at 2, that hour would have made all the difference. I got up late & am scrabbling around to get shit done before I head out. Peter Hitchens tried to warn us

― cozen itt (wins), Sunday, 31 March 2024 11:55 (one year ago)

12.15 kettlebell class for me 🥴

― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 31 March 2024 13:06 (one year ago)

I got up at quarter to 7, but it still feels like I'm not properly awake.

― you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Sunday, 31 March 2024 13:08 (one year ago)

True. Heart attack at Easter Sunday is no fun

Statistically there will be less chance of that this year because of Daylight Saving - there's less Easter Sunday!

now if they just made every day shorter there'd be less chance of dying on any particular day.

― kinder, Sunday, 31 March 2024 13:12 (one year ago)

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