Scarlet: the new sex magazine for women

It's http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1325985,00.html in case you hadn't figured it out.

Oi! Leave me out of this. I think it sounds dreadful too.

See, you are wrong from the very start. You have to get your head around a completely different idea of sexuality.

Female sexuality (OK, stereotypically) is *not* primarily visual, it's far more based on emotions, situations, characters, rather than body parts and camera angles.

I'm not saying that I'm not turned on by photos of hott boys, but the photo turns me on because of who the hott boy is, or what he symbolises, rather than because it is a photo of a HOTT BOY!!! HAVING SEX!!!

I don't know about "most" women, but I know I enjoy it. I'm not sure, however, if women who DO enjoy it are that willing to ADMIT to enjoying it, and therefore wouldn't bring it up in conversation.

Though it appears from your last post that I may have misjudged. Sorry about that.

Jeanne, are you willing to talk about the content of the pron you like?

With men's magazines, porno or otherwise, the women all fit a certain mold. They look the same, they're posed the same, it's the dimmest reflection of what society finds "hot" at any given time. But you only ever see one dimension of them and there's a certain blandness to that.
I'm not suggesting that men can get off on blandness or that they don't need more, but traditionally, this kind of image or pictorial or model has satisfied the market.

To capture a woman's attention, or that of the female market, they're going to have to do more.

I have a friend who is a (female) professional writer who often dabbles in smut, and I'm trying to remember how she described good erotica... something along the lines of "if I don't care about the characters and their emotions, then I am never going to get turned on, no matter how hott the sex is."

Jessica Hotley stumbled into the bar of the Four Seasons hotel and broke the heel off her Manolo Blahnik heel. 'Damn,' she said to herself.
Just then the incredibly rich and stunningly gorgeous Trip Manly caught her by the elbow. 'Jessica, darling,' he said in his smooth, buttery tone, 'I believe you promised me a threesome on my yacht.'
'Dream on,' she snapped, though a fire shot through her and ran down her thighs.

Bored now. Give me a sweaty Pete Libertine covered in bruises and melting black eyeliner. Hot cha!

(Have you read the Catholic guilt one set in church, and "Sodomy is a sin, yeah?" Hot cha-cha-cha!)

1. 'in case you hadn't figured it out'. As if!

2. It is unfair of you to say 'she's cute' showing that you know and take pleasure in what she looks like and we don't.

and i hold you completely responsible for this whole Pete Libertine thing, INCLUDING my purchase of this week's NME.

which, incidentally, Ruth says always smells like some old man magazine that someone's spunked up.

Especially NME buying. Honestly. You know you're not supposed to buy it or indeed READ IT, you're just supposed to look at the pictures.

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(Oh, and while you're there, Catty, be sure you don't miss the Harry Potter mash-up with "Juju Cubby-kins")

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No, click on it, unless you are at work, in which case click on it only after ascertaining that no one is going to pop up and peer over your shoulder in the next minute or two. There's no full frontal nudity, but there's bare flesh, and a guy with his hand down his pants; also, the subheading is "Porn For Girls" (in near-illegible scrolly script). I doubt you would be horrified, either.

WOO! WOO! WOO!!! yyyyeeeeaaaaaAAAAHHHHH!!! WHITE GOLD!!!

Then again, I suppose, depends... those photos of Pete Libertine and Wolfman shooting up getting it on in a sleezy hotel room? I don't find either of them the remotest bit attractive, in fact, far the reverse. But the situation made it really really sleazy frinky HOTT!!!

But as for what turns me on most? No. Regular straight-up pr0n won't do at all. The guys in gay pr0n, while a thousand times better looking than most guys in straight pr0n, are almost never really my type physically, but I do tend to enjoy gay pr0n more than straight. It has almost everything to do with the plots, though.

I can get more turned on by discussing the attributes of a male I find attractive with another female friend in AIM than watching regular pr0n. No visual aids at all. Just all the naughty possibilities in my brain. Lust will go into overdrive if there are other things to admire about the lust-object. Now, if a fully clothed lust-object, doing nothing that would normally be considered sexual at all, can produce the kind of reaction in me that siliconed bimbos frolicking in standard pr0n can produce in many males, I can consider it pr0n too.

Kaliflwr, what about the Blur book? Was that pr0n or what?

http://www.andrewkendall.com/images/photographs/bandshoots/peteandwolfman_220404/main/pete_wolf_35.jpg

(And I am actually asking, I'm not just using this as an excuse to post the picture again.)

I think the men in mainstream straight porn are often castso to be as un-offensive as possible to easily deflated straight male egos so I don't blame you. It's funny that you project fantasies onto people that you 'know'(à la slash)whereas I would tend, in regards to porn, to project fantasies onto people I absolutely don't know because to my (possibly limited) imagination the possibilities (accents, turn-ons, sounds, smells, tastes) are greater.

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Pornographic? No, but it does have a certain hottivity to it.

And hey, I've been resisting this thread all day! I could no longer do so.

I once actually got to know the subject of one of my hot-horny-gay-boys-want-your-sex fantasies, and that was the weirdest thing ever. I could no longer read or write any kind of FF about him after that. Destroyed the mystery or something.

http://www.newmastersgallery.com/ArtistsA/Ard-First%20Kiss-24.25x18.5.jpg

DON'T ANSWER THAT

x-x-post I wouldn't show that picture to my 12 year old neice. No way.

DAMMIT, STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS, I HAVE TO GO TO REHEARSAL!!!

Yeeuurgh! I clicked the SA link. Was impatient at how long the page took to load (ner ner).

I'm so glad that the page wasn't explicit.

I guess lameass hipster heroin junkie isn't my type at all. I actually felt physical illness from the pit of my stomach. Yes, I honestly felt an unwell lurch in my stomach when I was able to see the full picture.

It's not because I'm prudish. Having worked in the pr0n industry and having seen more tits than a dairy farmer has, more weiners than a hot dog vendor has...well, you'd be wrong to call me a prude who can't handle explicit depictions of sexuality.

I've screened stuff that made Zamora the Torture King (this guy who puts skewers through his flesh for spectacles such as the Jim Rose Freak Circus) freak out about its weirdness while I just said "uh huh" and noted the typically poor lighting of the shot.

I'm female, and I used to enjoy pr0n. I liked watching people (especially naturally curvy women in non-garish make-up) fuck, but they have to really look like they're into it. Most male-oriented mainstream porn fails at this since it often gets by on gyn exam shots, lousy performers, and poor technical quality.

Damnit, pr0n is so lame because the main audience (het males) have such low standards -- if the "Real Doll" (TM) has big (silicone or saline inflated) tits and lets a guy fuck her arse, it sells. Gay male pr0n can be pretty cheesy, but it is miles ahead (ahem) of straight male pr0n.

I don't enjoy pr0n much now, certainly not the mainstream product because it just reminds me of the loathesome commodification of pleasure and desire. It's not fun or erotic. Pr0n means only one thing to me now -- boring, soul-crushing work. It's all about WORK being the ultimate four-letter word. Grrr!!! That's what's wrong with pr0n in my opinion. I'm such a goddamn hippie about capitalism being the primary evil of pr0n. Oh, the self-loathing over being a hippie!

Now I've got Cilla Black's version of "Work Is a Four Letter Word" stuck in my head. Uuurrggggh.

Loving you is driving me crazy
People say that you were born lazy...
Why do you say Work is a four letter word?

This thread will end now, won't it? I'm getting a complex about being a thread-stopper party-pooper.

Oh my god, how do I pitch a magazine to emap?

Not to worry you hippy thread stopper party pooper. ;)

Damnit, pr0n is so lame because the main audience (het males) have such low standards -- if the "Real Doll" (TM) has big (silicone or saline inflated) tits and lets a guy fuck her arse, it sells. Gay male pr0n can be pretty cheesy, but it is miles ahead (ahem) of straight male pr0n.

I won't deny having dismally low standards and I do have a straight man's love of the tittehs but what's with the weird, unnatural pornistas with their anorexic bodies sprouting huge, fake, bowling ball breasts? Arse fuxoring or not, the weird tits = floppity.

That's OTM. And it's clearly not a gender-specific belief.

the only kind of 'porn' i could maybe be into is if they made an equivalent of slash/fiction or if they did what they do with 'lesbians': have it be 'gay' but with straight guys. ie. not fey, not sculpted, hairless, submissive, etc. does that exist? i don't like looking at those weird blow-up people. i admit i haven't tried much, but none of it draws me in.

!!!

This is awful. Just awful.