Linda MCCartney Self Righteous Hack or Philthonropist photographer

I never understood all the fuss about her. Sure, she couldn't sing or play, but Wings would have been equally wretched without her. She seemed nice enough, besides.

Also, it's ironic that anyone would accuse her of breaking up the Beatles seeing as Paul McCartney was the only one with any interest left in keeping the group together by the end. He was the one who made the official announcement that the band was over, but that was long after Lennon had declared at a private meeting that he was leaving.

If she really did break-up the Beatles then she goes up in my estimation. And I am partial to her sausages.

There's a fantastic bootleg - I think of a McCartney 80s show, maybe Flowers In The Dirt tour, where the engineers taped what Linda was contributing to the music. It's hilarious.

I love her sausages though and her righteous animal anger.

Linda suffers just as much as Yoko from Beatle-boy misogyny and tends to lack the vocal defenders Ono has. Certainly she's done more to promote vegetarianism as a lifestyle than any other individual I can think of - her pictures are OK - her music is irrelevant and from what little we know of her family life she seems fairly unimpeachable there. Good for her I think.

I only blame her for giving birth to Stella McCartney, other than that she's okay by me. She seemed like a nice lady.

unspeakable things are being done in her name now that NONE of the Linda McCartney tasty veggie things are suitable for vegans any more, yah sucks and BOOO!

in my inflammatory opinion they were never fit for HUMANS let alone vegans (in re taste not content)

(on the other hand i once bought and ate a saveloy in batter from a place called GRUBSTOP on the essex road)

What is contained within a Saveloy? They look so unspeakably grim that I have always been afeared to investigate beyond their bright red skin.

this coming from a man who is not afeared to eat melton mowbray pork pies!

Atoms.

Melton Mowbray Pork Pies - come on Katie, the clue is in the name. There is pork and it is in a pie. Sure it doesn't go into details abt what particularly style of pork or what else is in it but it's a darn sight clearer than Saveloy which you suspect might just be furrin for leopardcock.

saveloy = corruption of latin cerebellum, hence that pinky stuff = braneZoR num num.

Pinky stuff in pork pie = ears and lips if you're LUCKY!! Otherwise it's Rimming for Grockles.

I couldn't find a recipe anywhere for Saveloy, which I find disturbing. More disturbingly I found this site for caterers which sounds nasty.

Anyone have any good veggie recipes? I need to cook something for Thanksgiving this week and would like to make something nice.

Jonnie! tell her what we made on Saturday, I've got to cut down my net useage so can't write out the recipe. It was lurvely, and so easy.

Saveloy Pies. Buy some ready made pastry, stuff the fucker with chopped up saveloy and put on a fancy lid.Bake for a bit and eat served with fried black pudding.

That was just a dream. We made lovely baked pasta. Roast some vegetables (aubergine/eggplant, peppers and tomatoes) with lots of unpeeled garlic cloves. Meantime, cook the pasta. When both are done combine the two (removing the garlic from its skin and smashing it up a bit, and cover with cream, not too much mind, we're not making soup here. Add lots of fresh basil and grated parmesan and return to the oven for about 15 minutes. Yum.

nicole, i don't suppose you'd want to cook curry? hmm. this site is good, it's not been updated for a while though.

http://www.earth.li/~kake/cookery/

and pork pies should be banned under the trades description act. i am sure that they only put the bits in there that are too bad even for pet food.

That's nowt but vegan propaganda. Pork pies have genuine lumps of pig in them surrounded by succulent jelly and pastry that's at least 90% lard. Mmmmmmm-mmmmm. All pig, all the time.

(and when we say all we mean all)

yeah, all pig. trotters, testes, eyeballs, urk.

TASTY GOOD!

Further to Chris's link, I'm sure everyone here will be stocking up on garlic sausage next time they're in Budgens.

I am not a beatle boy and i am not a misogynist,its just seh seems a plain and rather medicore girl who got lucky. Her photographs are badly lit and poorly composed and rip offs of what was being done by Bailey and Avedeon. Her "music" is laughable . And vegeitarians have this nasty self righteous streak that makes the consumption of meat a sin . I realy do not like to be told that i am sinning, having these cute little lambs and pigs whored up for there PETA photo shoot . As for nice, if you mean nice as a synonoym for painfully insipid then maybe. As for a mother photoshoots twice a year and the odd vaction w. the nanny doing the raising any other time makes you another borgie housewife looking for a hobby.

I like to eat the screaming aminals.

breaking up the beatles = classic, vegetarianism = classic, linda as musician = dud.

she was boring. nowhere near the attitude that yoko has.

I rather liked her. I thought her photographs were a lot better than anthony sez (I SaWN an exhibition at JARROW BEDE GALLERY = converted nuclear bunker once deemed thee only place safe enough to exhibit picaSSO etchings in NE England TRUE) and I thought they were damn good actually. If she broke up thee beatles then good for her 'cuz at least that way they didn't wind up going on for ever & ever like the HORRIBLE rolling stones (= k-lamerz) also she never made "Dont worry kyoko (?)'s only looking for a hand in the snow" which is horrid. Her sausages gave me the craps, so they're dud.

just for the record anthony, i have never accused anyone who eats meat of sinning. i don't really go in for religious interpretations of vegetarianism, though i have often wondered how self-describing Christians reconcile eating meat with their religion. i also happen to think that if you are a wife and mother then there's nothing wrong with either having a hobby or making money out of that hobby if you can. would you feel differently if linda was the pop star and paul was the borgie husband making a buck and a name for himself out of his photography? or would linda still be the dilettante?

i have never accused anyone who eats meat of sinning. i don't really go in for religious interpretations of vegetarianism,

I meant that for most veggie i knew it was a moral question. It was like vegatrianism became a rigid set of beleifs and those who did not obey should have been ashamed of themselves. Linda and her ilk reeked of self rightousness.

though i have often wondered how self-describing Christians reconcile eating meat with their religion.

i have no need to reconcile it . Aside from Christ eating loaves and FISHES, there is no edict against eating meat at all .

i also happen to think that if you are a wife and mother then

But she played this little housewife and she made a fortune. She hired Nannies and housekeepers , its a form of hypocrisy to be congratted on something you did not do .

there's nothing wrong with either having a hobby or making money out of that hobby if you can.

Of Course there isnt , but if you make shitty art and then are worshipped as an artist, it sets my teeth on edge.

would you feel differently if linda was the pop star and paul was the borgie husband making a buck and a name for himself out of his photography?

Not at all . Honestly this is not because Linda has a cunt , its because Linda was a groupie and hanger on that tried despratly to pretend she was an artist and a mother .

I think that if I was a vegetarian for moral reasons I would feel almost a moral imperative to try to make non-vegetarians ashamed, or at least question their beliefs. And Linda Eastman was a snapper well before she met McCartney. Also I don't think she was worshipped for her photography or even considered much of an artist - she was a respected pro photographer, nothing else.

OK! sheesh what time is it where you are? the only prob. i have with religion + meat is the cruelty involved in producing it these days which i don't think sits well with a supposedly compassionate faith. but this has been discussed before. do people worship Linda? i didn't think her photos were that bad. and did she hire a nanny all the time? or just when her kids would have been fretful and bored when she was working/hobbying, whatever? my mother hired a childminder for me when i was small, to ensure that i was looked after and didn't play with matches etc while she was at work. sure, our circumstances were different but i don't think that making use of childcare in itself is a bad thing. if that's not what you're saying anthony then of course i apologise.

Antony I think you've got this a little out of whack. There aren't an awful lot of people declaring Linda McCartney a great artistic photographer - but as Tom said she was a creditable pro photgrapher with the most important of assets : being in the right places at the right times. Being married (and you have to ay pretty happily married) to Paul McCartney certainly afforded her that.

As for being in Wings, well this I expect is much more Paul's fault that Linda's. He wanted his wife in the band. He wasnted his family to tour with him. He probably wanted his wife to be hailed as great photographer and not just as the woman who split up the Beatles. We wish success on the people we love - and I think it is a touch churlish to blame Linda for this. Perhaps her vegetarianism was an unreconstructed sixties kind which was morally prescriptive - but I ate much of her veggie food as a non-veggie and I've got to say it was pretty good.

I think its a bit harsh to call her a hanger on just because she happened to be married (like for love and with kids and stuff) to Macca.

True story, folks: Linda McCartney is a good Westchester County girl who dropped out of Sarah Lawrence after about a term. When she was asked about it, she replied that she wasn't as clever as Yoko who did the full stretch.

She seemed like a nice lady and wasn't pretentious enough to consider her pro snaps fine art. Have heard Stella is an absolute horra but she was perfectly lovely to me at the party where we met (also one of her bezzie mates, a photographer I work with, introduced us).

I would like to apologize for my bizarre charahcter asssinantion of linda , i was fun loaded.

what is that and how do you do it?

fun loaded is the random fun you have from being loaded