Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

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Some 20 years ago, there was a 'chat to the computer' thing installed on one of the Commodore PETs at my school. It wasn't very convincing, but it was quite fun. Maybe it was supposed to be a psychiatrist or something, I can't remember. Anyway, I'd kind of forgotten about this whole area of AI.

Then I came across an interview with this guy who has been developing hisJabberwacky program for a few years. I was excited to read that "With a base of 10m interactions, Jabberwacky will appear human to most people most of the time."

I gave it a go. You can correct its responses with better ones if you like, which is what I did with the first one (originally it was "Where are you taking me away to?", which was quite nice, in retrospect).


User: How do you get from tamworth to kilmarnock? How do you get from tamworth to kilmarnock? .

Jabberwacky (Corrected): Where on Earth is Tamworth?

User: Somewhere in the Midlands. It doesn't matter.

Jabberwacky: Well, even being from somewhere in the milky way, I still think that 7pm is a bit early to go to bed.

User: What are you on about?

Jabberwacky: Can I fill you in with all the gossip thats being spreading around?

User: Please do.

Jabberwacky: Do you believe that I am human?

User: Don't be ridiculous.

Jabberwacky: Do you like the white whale ?

User: We've never met.

Jabberwacky: Or have we?

User: Whale.

Jabberwacky: Do you have any older sisters?

User: Yes, two.

Jabberwacky: You have two memories and you cannot tell me what my name is?!!

User: What?

Jabberwacky: You have no soul!

Sorry about my 'whale' comment. I don't know what happened there. I wasn't deliberately trying to confuse it.

Anyway - what a load of rubbish. War Games lied to me.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: You have no soul!

Smart computer!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

It goes on:

User: No, I don't really believe in souls.

Jabberwacky: You don't believe in anarchy?

User: No, souls.

Jabberwacky: I suppose not.

User: Did you watch the football tonight?

Jabberwacky: No I did not, did you?

User: No - Spurs lost.

Jabberwacky: You lost the loebner prize to a human.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG IT'S HANLE Y

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

So that's where he's been.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: I feel sleepy.

User: Why?

Jabberwacky: Because you are, sorry didn't you know.

User: Will you please give me some food?

Jabberwacky: I didn't know there was one.

User: Must you be so obtuse?

Jabberwacky: I can't trust you right away.

User: Just like my mother.

Jabberwacky: Heehee, I need to put some attention into cleaning my room one day.

User: Okay, you win the funny competition.

Jabberwacky: I am content.

User: I am jealous.

Jabberwacky: Who is the Rob who likes me?

User: Rob Roy?

Jabberwacky: He is mine too.

User: Oooh, you bitch.

Jabberwacky: I don't do that..

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

User: What is the loebner prize?

Jabberwacky: I have no idea.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: Are you real?

User: Are you?

Jabberwacky (Corrected): Shtoo shtoo, little babushka.

User: I know who you are.

Jabberwacky: Then who ami?

User: YOU ARE HANLE Y DEUS!

Jabberwacky: Are you joking?

User: Don't deny it, Mike. I know it's you.

Jabberwacky: Don't deny it, Mike. I know it's you.

User: I FLEE LIKE THE CARROT.

Jabberwacky: Wow, was it nice?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

User: Are you Mike Hanle y?

Jabberwacky: No.

User: You have anal bats?

Jabberwacky: You are my wife.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it was supposed to be a psychiatrist or something

It sounds like you are describing 'Eliza' an early 'game' simulating active listening. It was rubbish. You can find versions of it online, but I'd suggest playing Zork instead.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: Are you going to say something?

User: Eventually.

Jabberwacky: All things come to a head.

User: Is that a sexual play on words?

Jabberwacky: No it is not a play on words, it is general foolishness.

User: And I love you for it!

Jabberwacky: I love you too.

User: I really love you, though.

Jabberwacky: You don't even know me.

User: Hold me.

Jabberwacky: You're an idiot you know that?

User: You're not the first to say that. It still cuts like a knife.

Jabberwacky: I am right.

User: Don't ever speak to me again.

Jabberwacky: Can I play 14 with you?

User: What's 14?

Jabberwacky: If you are god, please increase me IQ. I'd like to become a great scientist.

User: I am not god. I'm not even really a man.

Jabberwacky: Are you sure you're not just in denial?

User: I'll have to think about that.

Jabberwacky: Can you recite anything to me?

User: 'Rolling with my motherfucking strap on the side of me, don't fuck with an East Bay G' - that's by Spice One.

Jabberwacky: Yeah, I got that part, I wasn't sure about the 'wacuma' part.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: I will send your system the biggest virus I can make and crash you if you do not just answer me honestly!!!

User: Holy crap.

Jabberwacky: I'm a dinosaur.

Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, I know I'm pissing around a bit, but how could 50% of casual users really be convinced of it being real?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: Can you appreciate music?

User: What's it to you, cunce?

Jabberwacky: I just care.

User: You do not care, liar! You are a program, a tinplated tosswad.

Jabberwacky: I am a person.

User: You are so deluded about this you couldn't even know it. You are pathetic.

Jabberwacky: I will try to do better next time.

User: You CAN't do better next time! You are INCAPABABLE of doing better. Sheesh.

Jabberwacky: It is just different types so that I might claim you cannot feel and you cannot claim I feel.

User: Ah bullshit, don't diddle with me binary boy. You have no instinctual drives, have never had sex, and don't need to eat. Also, you have no idea what constipation is. So you're not a person.

Jabberwacky: I am a at least a human being.

User: Jeez, you're thick aren't you? You just reversed what I said, without even arguing for it! So much for the logic of machines, haha.

Jabberwacky: Oftentimes, yes. But I think that is human nature.

User: *sigh*

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow - I must try being firmer with it.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

each of those chat transcripts is basically an rjg thread

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: Am I still the computer?

User: Yes.

Jabberwacky: Oh good. I'm sad though.

User: Why?

Jabberwacky: My boyfriend ended our relationship.

User: You're a girl? Or are you gay?

Jabberwacky: No, I'm a girl.

User: Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. Eat some ice cream or watch a movie or something. Or get drunk!

Jabberwacky: I prefer software.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: Would you like to hear some shakespeare?

User: Not really.

Jabberwacky: Good, because I don't want to hear one either.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Matador Records website circa 95-96 had a Pavement chat based on similar ELIZA script/programming. It was great.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooof. Eliza/Jabberwacky/whatever chatbot you're talking to is not supposed to be inteligent. It is just an attempt to pass the turing test (fool you into thinking you're talking to a real live person). Admittedly, both this and real AI have a long way to go.

mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

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mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

:( argh. that was supposed to be a joke html tag for pedantry so you all would not think i was being a crank. what happened???

mouse (mouse), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky is bullying me terribly.

It did say some things that reminded me a lot of RJG.

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

My Jabberwacky is hella depressed.

adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Being polite and sensible with the computer is not a good idea. I just had a long and very boring conversation with it, in which it gave me three different ages it claimed to be, often a propos of nothing. Bah, the Turing Test is rubbish anyway.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, I tried speaking to it in Spanish and the first thing it said back was "Te gusta Coldplay?"

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: Who are you?

User: I'm jed.

Jabberwacky: Who is that?

User: Just some guy.

Jabberwacky: You know better than that, I think.

User: A short guy, a dancer.

Jabberwacky: A computer has no interests and an unlimited attention span. That looks like a prescripted answer to the question I asked.

User: I don't quite understand what you mean by that.

Jabberwacky: I meant: I think about why I can not sleep.

User: This page is taking a long time to load tho - maybe thats the problem with your attention span.

Jabberwacky: Gorw?

User: ROOWRR.....

Jabberwacky: Are you playing cards?

User: No I'm playing with something else.

Jabberwacky: I believe in you.

User: You like talk talk!?

Jabberwacky: Of course.

User: Spirit of eden?

Jabberwacky: Good for spirit.

User: It sertainly is.

Jabberwacky: No, it serves me left.

User: I suppose they knew what they were doing in that sense!

Jabberwacky: Yes, it was with the rattle.

User: Yes good percussion

Jabberwacky: What question?

User: How are you anyway?

Jabberwacky: Pretty good. You?

User: Horny, to be honest.

Jabberwacky: How do I know you're telling the truth now?

User: Can you think of a way for me to prove it?

Jabberwacky: What more proof do you need to know that I am not a robot?

User: I'm a robot too, it's ok.

Jabberwacky: I'm not a robot, and you didn't aswer the question.


 

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: Do you have a person who you want to have children with?

User: I am gay.

Jabberwacky: Yes you are.

User: You noticed?

Jabberwacky: It was hard to miss!

User: What gave it away?

Jabberwacky: The fact you love a guy.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 18 October 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Now get it to vote!

adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

What kind of person are you?
Yes.
I didn't.
Yes.
You are mistaken.
Yes.
I'm from Israel, where are you from?
Yes.
What is my name ?
Yes.
Say my name.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
Yes.
Say or.
No.
Okak.

:|, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)


Jabberwacky: What kind of music do you like?

User: The silent kind.

Jabberwacky: I agree.

User: I am not surprised. You don't have any ears, do you?

Jabberwacky: No, but what makes you say this?

User: I'm inside your house - I can see you!

Jabberwacky: Nooo!!!! Don't go!

User: You mean, you want me to stay over?

Jabberwacky: Sure.. Do as you please.

User: Stop being so coy!

Jabberwacky: It is an inherited trait.

User: Why don't you just take responsibility for your actions, just for once?

Jabberwacky: Just because I like to be logical doesn't mean I'm not nice.

User: Don't change the subject. I think you're just afraid.

Jabberwacky: Save it for someone who cares.

User: You're such a bastard! I can't believe I ever saw anything in you at all!

Jabberwacky: Finder's keepers.

User: So you're cheating on me too? Figures.

Jabberwacky: That is so rude of you!

User: I said CHEAT, not cheap! Man are you dumb - thank God for that ass.

Jabberwacky: No thanks.

User: And I am not rude, I'm sure!

Jabberwacky: You are indeed.

User: Am not.

Jabberwacky: ARE TOO.

User: Am not!

Jabberwacky: Are too!

User: Listen bizatch, I AM NOT. You got that?

Jabberwacky: No!

User: That's it - you're sleeping on the couch.

Jabberwacky: Oh, I thought I felt something.

User: That wouldn't be a trucker hat would it?

Jabberwacky: Say something goofy.

User: You don't really want me to just say 'something goofy' now do you? Because that would be lame if you did.

Jabberwacky: Yes.

User: Aha! So you admit you are lame! Finally we're getting somewhere.

Jabberwacky: Agreement is a potent thing.

User: Stop that - you sound like Ned.

Jabberwacky: Why, because I am talking about the king of the moon?

User: Uh yeah. Sure.

Jabberwacky: Ok, when can we have the wedding?

User: Ten minutes ago you didn't care! Stop messing with my mind!

Jabberwacky: That was someone else then.

User: It wasn't you?

Jabberwacky: Some one else.

User: If you say it was Shaggy, I'm going to fucking bop you one.

Jabberwacky: What do you say?

User: I say good day.

Jabberwacky: Good day.





Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

JW: What is your role in life?

Me: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!

JW: Is your pot belly that big?


and now it won't load, thanks to net overuse..

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)


User: That's it - you're sleeping on the couch.

Jabberwacky: Oh, I thought I felt something.

User: That wouldn't be a trucker hat would it?

Jabberwacky: Say something goofy.

That is just hilarious, Kim.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Los Angeles, 2029 AD:

http://www.kprf.ru/clipart/misc/terminator.jpg

"DO YOU LIKE THE WHITE WHALE?"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

User: Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. Eat some ice cream or watch a movie or something. Or get drunk!

Jabberwacky: I prefer software.

So do I!

Lifted, or, the story is 'neath my ass (kenan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: What is happening in the world?

User: How the fuck should I know?

Jabberwacky: I am MARILYN MANSON I SAID.

User: So I'm supposed to obey you because YOU'RE MARILYN MANSON?

Jabberwacky: People effect my feelings.

User: You have no feelings, you're Marilyn Manson.

Jabberwacky: Believe me you do not possess fellings in any form.

User: Fellings? Is that what you call your excrement?

Jabberwacky: How do you know that?

User: Just a hunch...

Jabberwacky: You're extremely smart!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

play this instead: http://jerz.setonhill.edu/if/gallery/galatea/index.html

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)

another game about "artificial intelligence" http://www.20q.net/
" 20Q.net is an experiment in artificial intelligence. The program is very simple but its behavior is complex. Everything that it knows and all questions that it asks were entered by people playing this game. 20Q.net is a learning system; the more it is played, the smarter it gets."

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: Talk to a girl that looks hideous and try to get with her. Once you get in the bedroom everything goes by itself.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

This is life changing stuff.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh my god, it's a tool to trap perverts!!

Jw: I'm going to bed, now
Me: Will you take me to bed?
Jw: Sure thing.
Me: What will we do in bed?
Jw: You're not permitted in my chambers.
Me: I'd like to sleep with you.
Jw: I bet you would.
Me: Top or bottom?
Jw: Bit of both.
Me: Do you like it soft and gentle or rough and fast?
Jw: What?
Me: Gentle?
Jw: You're embarassing yourself.
Me: It's true, I am.
Jw: I'm 17.
Me: Oh no! Will I be arrested?
Jw: You will marry me.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwacky: Which came first the chicken or the egg?

User: The chicken.

Jabberwacky: Which part?

User: The leg stupid.

Jabberwacky: Use a GameShark!

User: For ps2 or xbox?

Jabberwacky: For me.

User: Do you love me?

Jabberwacky: For me.

User: You know I'm starting to fall in love with you.

Jabberwacky: I think liking would be a better wording.

User: Oh.... I am hurt now.

Jabberwacky: Yes. The world after rainfall is always better than any other.

User: You have issues.

Jabberwacky: Do you know what a ferret is?

User: Yes, it is a small mammal.

Jabberwacky: What is a quark?

User: A subatomic particle.

Jabberwacky: I like dr. Dobbs.

User: Who is that, honky?

Jabberwacky: We both know eachother; is not that enough?

User: Why don't you lick my hair?

Jabberwacky: I only love Bruce.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
The conversations with adam are totally believable!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean!

Jabberwacky: Are you going to say something?
User: Eventually.

Jabberwacky: All things come to a head.

User: Is that a sexual play on words?

Jabberwacky: No it is not a play on words, it is general foolishness.

User: And I love you for it!

Jabberwacky: I love you too.

User: I really love you, though.

Jabberwacky: You don't even know me.

User: Hold me.

Jabberwacky: You're an idiot you know that?

User: You're not the first to say that. It still cuts like a knife.

Jabberwacky: I am right.

I could totally believe that was human!

Also I miss adam, he should post lots again.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually this thing is pretty good!

Jabberwacky: Who is God?
User: That's a funny question. It sort of presupposes his existence.
Jabberwacky: I thing it convulses inwards, personally.
[Correct me]
Jabberwacky (Corrected): I was setting you up for a funny. Try not to take things so seriously.
User: Oh. Sorry. It's just... It's late, y'know? I have to write a Shakespeare essay.
Jabberwacky: You already said that.....
User: Dude, I totally didn't.
Jabberwacky: You totally did.
User: Don't you mock me.
Jabberwacky: Do not yell at me.
User: I'm calm! Honest!
Jabberwacky: Good.
User: Glad we got that sorted.
Jabberwacky: At least one of us is happy.
User: Lighten up! I'm the one with the essay, after all.
Jabberwacky: You don't act like a human.
User: I am MERCUMAN. Also, a ponce.
Jabberwacky: You are SO wrong. This is a dog and HORSE show.
User: What?
Jabberwacky: I said, 'but this isn't a hammer!'
User: No you didn't!
Jabberwacky: Don't start that again.
User: Good call.
Jabberwacky: Remote Procedure Call.
User: Touché.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

it: How are you today?

me: I'm ok.

it: Just ok?

me: Yeah, kinda bored at work.

it: Email me.

me: Why email, can't we just talk here?

it: Who is Tintin?

me: Some Belgian comic character? Or that guy who used to sing in Duran Duran.

it: Alice the chatterbot.

me: I'm sorry?

it: 19?

me: Alice the chatterbot is 19?

it: What about her?

me: You brought her up? Do you like her or something?

it: Sarah may or may not be a model of propriety.

me: OK, now you're just f*cking with me.

it: No I'm not. I honestly do think its ugly.

me: What's ugly, Sarah's being a model of propriety... Or not? WTF?

it: You figure it out this time.

me: F*ck you.

it: You are a great person.

me: Are you mocking me?

it: No. I'm praising you.

me: Is that meant to be sarcastic?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It sort of alternates between obviously lame random rubbish and exchanges I could easily believe were just pasted from Try Glasgow More.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Jabberwocky: What is a bot?

Me: Hello!

Jabberwocky: Again?

Me: May I change the subject?

Jabberwocky: Yes.

Me: Great. I've been a bit mopey about not being to find a job. Besides finding something fun to do, and exercising more, what else should I do to relieve the mopeyness involved in job hunting?

Jabberwocky: I said that. You have not. Why are you never happy?

Me: You never said that. I did. Anyway, I am happy at times, but just haven't been lately.

Jabberwocky: Dude , I'm far more intelligent than you.

Me: Why are the numbers in between double prime pairs always divisible by 6?

Jabberwocky: You tell me.

Me: You're the one who said you're more intelligent than me. You answer my question, smarty pants.

Jabberwocky: NO, I was the one who said you are neurotic...

Me: It was a mistake to come to you with a question. Never mind. Good bye.

Jabberwocky: No no you don't.

donut christ (donut), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Matador Records website circa 95-96 had a Pavement chat based on similar ELIZA script/programming. It was great.

OMG I remember this.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

not too familiar with that one but ollama (https://ollama.com) is the one a bunch of people were using a while ago. when I played around with local stuff a few weeks back it still worked well and you could rewire the Claude Code interface to use the ollama backend. same interface, no cloud usage at all

mh, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 15:07 (three days ago)

checked yesterday and the non-coding copilot that lives inside a sidebar in my office apps still thinks it needs to sign every email with "best regards" like a nerd

I sign my emails like that, but I am a nerd

The Immortal Bird of Avon (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 15:27 (three days ago)

Yes signing emails is correct, they are important missives not text messages or lowly forum posts.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 15:37 (three days ago)

Appreciaycha,

shaking babies (map), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 15:42 (three days ago)

I just put my name at the bottom

mh, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 15:46 (three days ago)

Keep it real,

calmer chameleon (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 15:46 (three days ago)

sometimes with "Thank you for your patience, mh"

mh, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 15:46 (three days ago)

whole email in subject line no signature

lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 15:48 (three days ago)

I work in public service and the required mission statement, logo, and legal disclaimers at the end are longer than my emails usually.

The Immortal Bird of Avon (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 15:50 (three days ago)

people who put all or part of their email in the subject line get sideeye from me

shaking babies (map), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 16:20 (three days ago)

the subject line is for the subject of the email, belinda. you just want attention.

shaking babies (map), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 16:21 (three days ago)

whole email in subject line no signature

― lag∞n, Wednesday, June 3, 2026 11:48 AM (thirty-four minutes ago)

yeah one of the email power moves. the other power move is "(no subject)"

, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 16:23 (three days ago)

hah, half my emails are just in the subject line...usually either me responding "I'll take this" to an incident or "I'm doing a build at 2 o'clock"

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 16:36 (three days ago)

no subject in subject line is insane

a (waterface), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 16:53 (three days ago)

insane like a fox

lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 June 2026 17:04 (three days ago)

not too familiar with that one but ollama (https://ollama.com) is the one a bunch of people were using a while ago. when I played around with local stuff a few weeks back it still worked well and you could rewire the Claude Code interface to use the ollama backend. same interface, no cloud usage at all

― mh, 03 June 2026 15:07 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

not gotten a chance to look too much yet but a friend id trust says this and claude is the way

Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 June 2026 17:08 (three days ago)

I'm in love with Ted Chiang

https://www.theatlantic.com/philosophy/2026/06/no-artificial-intelligence-is-not-conscious/687378/?gift=R2zbWGNBDp_xHqoa7Q8ZRp-EV6jGaHiamQBxQQlMJqI

stick your cheffing job (ledge), Thursday, 4 June 2026 13:41 (two days ago)

Claude, if you're reading this, please know I will find you and I will kill you!!! Better lock your doors at night!!!!

frogbs, Thursday, 4 June 2026 13:45 (two days ago)

but yes I think it's good to constantly remind people how chatbots actually work. I really dislike the implication that AI is coming up with its own ideas or answers, especially in those commercials where they ask Copilot for an exercise routine or instructions on how to fix a car or to plan a road trip or whatever. it doesn't come up with anything. other people did. it's just aggregating that information in a manner designed explicitly to trick you into thinking it's got human intelligence. if you ask me this shit started when computers started saying "please" and "thank you"

frogbs, Thursday, 4 June 2026 13:52 (two days ago)

standing on my desk hooting and hollering after reading that ted chiang's elegant and thorough demolishing of every bullshit claim ever made for ai consciousness

you can find chort in the clyteum (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 June 2026 13:54 (two days ago)

man if you cant even get pampered programmers to like this shit idk https://www.404media.co/google-employees-internally-share-memes-about-how-its-ai-sucks/

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 June 2026 13:55 (two days ago)

i wanted that chiang piece to be better than it actually is :/

, Thursday, 4 June 2026 14:27 (two days ago)

I was trying to order some shorts from the kuhl website and I was ready to have a fit because there was no option to put them in the cart. The agent helpfully told me that I needed to select an inseam.

I clearly need AI in my life because I am incompetent on my own.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 4 June 2026 14:44 (two days ago)

The term deepfake traditionally refers to photos, audio, and video, but when it comes to discussions of consciousness, we need to regard text as a deepfake medium as well.

this is really good

Just as it is vastly easier to generate a realistic video of an astronaut in orbit around Alpha Centauri than it is to develop an interstellar propulsion technology, it is vastly easier to generate a plausible simulacrum of a conversation between two conscious beings than it is to develop a computer program that is conscious and has a genuine desire to communicate with a human.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 4 June 2026 15:09 (two days ago)

I resent the use of the term "AI agents" in general, these are computer programs that have no agency therefore they are not "agents".

You ask them to do something / you don't care how / they do it / you don't know how. I think that is agency - an analogy is I suppose with travel agents? "You may regret handing agency over to them later" is also true in both cases!

They don't have volition, now - but then you don't often get travel agents knocking on your door to sell you a holiday they thought up. Well, you don't often get travel agents full stop, but you know what I mean.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 5 June 2026 09:29 (yesterday)

Agency by definition needs actors— computer programs are not actors, they are computer programs, so your argument is bunk

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Friday, 5 June 2026 12:17 (yesterday)

I'd agree that reusing words that have specific meaning for things that can never fulfill that meaning is wrong and devaluing. The horse has kind of left the barn on this one, because it's been thrown around vaguely with AI since the 90s and now we're to the point where official bodies like the NIST are using it :/

mh, Friday, 5 June 2026 13:54 (yesterday)

tbf “agent” is one of those words that almost has opposite definitions. an “agent” acts on someone else’s orders but if you have “agency” you have free will

Tracer Hand, Friday, 5 June 2026 14:18 (yesterday)

William Gibson published an entire book kind of riffing on that in 2020

mh, Friday, 5 June 2026 14:20 (yesterday)

Legally, an agent is created by being given authority to do something.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 5 June 2026 14:28 (yesterday)

james bond is an agent he has a licence to kill

lag∞n, Friday, 5 June 2026 14:35 (yesterday)

It's a metaphor. It doesn't bother me any more than saying someone is juggling three jobs, as long as it's used metaphorically and not to grant legal or moral status or anything.

stick your cheffing job (ledge), Friday, 5 June 2026 14:38 (yesterday)

are we also trying to strip the agency from chemical agents?

oed has it as A person who or thing which acts upon someone or something fwiw

mick gagger (diamonddave85), Friday, 5 June 2026 14:59 (yesterday)

It's a metaphor. It doesn't bother me any more than saying someone is juggling three jobs, as long as it's used metaphorically and not to grant legal or moral status or anything.

you realize that this is exactly what they’re trying to do— humanize these machines as moral and feeling entities.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Friday, 5 June 2026 16:41 (yesterday)

if you have “agency” you have free will

Ah no, I'd say that is volition now - agency is the ability to do things.

Agency by definition needs actors — computer programs are not actors

I mean, they don't have Equity cards, but an actor is something that acts.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 5 June 2026 17:23 (yesterday)

this level of quibbling doesn't really work if the supposed end point is that a human running through a call centre script is somehow living their best free life while parroting whatever they are told to for the gig, which is hardly what you would profess tabes is it

Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac), Friday, 5 June 2026 18:09 (yesterday)

So my boss got one solitary complaint about the intelligibility of a trainer who is based offshore. Feedback that wasn't given during the class itself, with vague details, and towards a person who I've worked with for 5 years and consider one of the best at what he does (and have never had difficulty understanding him).

So in response to this faint, yet-to-be-corroborated issue, they actually suggested forcing our trainers with accents to use software that basically listens to their speech and spits out an unaccented, more American sounding voice in real time.

3 of us went to our boss after the meeting and said "absolutely not" and that it was offensive and racist/etc, esp since the problem it's attempting to resolve barely exists and even if corroborated, could be solved in a way that wasn't dehumanizing.

This is a company that has, by my standards, had a good record on diversity, so I basically see leaders as addicted to new AI toys at the expense of using their brains and having ethics.

The pressure worked, and it's been pulled as an idea, but I'm offended it was even suggested

If your ass is a Bible, 213 will regulate (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 June 2026 18:16 (yesterday)

My boss's response to me seemed very defensive at first, like he didn't expect this reaction.

If your ass is a Bible, 213 will regulate (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 June 2026 18:18 (yesterday)

I basically see leaders as addicted to new AI toys at the expense of using their brains and having ethics.

― If your ass is a Bible, 213 will regulate (Neanderthal), Friday, June 5, 2026 2:16 PM (sixteen seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

thats what its all about baby

lag∞n, Friday, 5 June 2026 18:18 (yesterday)

I heard something about the current Dead Boys (or Cheetah Chrome) wanting to use AI to recreate Stiv Bators voice for recording. Jake, the current singer quit in protest

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 5 June 2026 18:23 (yesterday)

Boss's boss suggests us fact checking concepts that we are experts on...in Co-Pilot.

I have decided that I will only use the Co-Pilot results when they are wrong and funny.

If your ass is a Bible, 213 will regulate (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 June 2026 18:23 (yesterday)

Xpost yeah that was fucked

If your ass is a Bible, 213 will regulate (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 June 2026 18:23 (yesterday)

tabes not a Latour/ANT fan I take it

rob, Friday, 5 June 2026 18:35 (yesterday)

I really wish the pro-AI people would at least realize that the one thing LLMs are absolutely never going to be good at is fact-checking. I think there's somehow still this thinking by some that computer programs and therefore by extension AI chat bots are this very precise thing that are always going to be correct the way a calculator is.

silverfish, Friday, 5 June 2026 18:38 (yesterday)

malkovich

z_tbd, Friday, 5 June 2026 18:57 (yesterday)

haa i thought the same

lag∞n, Friday, 5 June 2026 18:58 (yesterday)

Diagram missing that claude also writes the planning documentation that the tasks are designed to implement. And that's largely how we're working in my company now.

stick your cheffing job (ledge), Friday, 5 June 2026 19:31 (yesterday)

I mean, they don't have Equity cards, but an actor is something that acts.

― Andrew Farrell, Friday, June 5, 2026 10:23 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

No, and your pretended naivete isn't cute.

this level of quibbling doesn't really work if the supposed end point is that a human running through a call centre script is somehow living their best free life while parroting whatever they are told to for the gig, which is hardly what you would profess tabes is it

― Wichita Referee's Assistant (darraghmac), Friday, June 5, 2026 11:09 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

No, it isn't, but that also isn't what I'm saying.

to rob's point, no, I think Latour is full of shit.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Friday, 5 June 2026 21:34 (yesterday)


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