Tai Chi, Qigong, Taiji Quan and Yoga

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The mind/body relationship talk on here got me wondering if anyone here has ever practiced any of the above. All of these can lead to "Spontaneous Kundalini Awakening" also known as "kundalini psychosis."

Anyone who's performed any of the above (preferably with a teacher) will have recognized clearly what is referred to as "chi" or "prana." After a beginner's level class of the standing "8 Pieces of Brocade," for instance, the body will be hot, tingly and filled with energy from simply directing mentally some "energy" combined with a series of slow, easy movements. This non-physically taxing exercise relieves stress, gives strength, endurance, energy and melts away fat.

What's strange is that this same exercise can produce these symptoms if a person exercises too much too soon:
http://members.aol.com/ckress/symptoms.html

Some of these problems relating to "spontaneous kundalini awakening" would definitely be considered demonic possession by some people. My only question is why would such gentle exercises have such strangely adverse side-effects compared to, say, the routine of a body builder? Anyone ever heard of a body builder uncontrollably bending into some strange pose and speaking in tongues or otherwise psychotic behavior (barring "roid rage")?

Then, there are those people who say they can direct this "chi energy" to promote physical healing in themselves and others. I'm not going to argue for this case because I have done zero research into this, so I have no idea how validated or invalidated this idea is. But, I do know that the "placebo effect" and the "prayer effect" point to some kind of mind/body relationship which is easily experienced in Tai Chi, Qigong, Taiji Quan and Yoga.

So do we simply label this placebo/prayer/mind-body stuff as "anomoly" and move on because we can't explain it?

― Mr. Slimbody, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

increased creativity; like the sudden desire to draw really cheesy paintings of wolves howling at other wolves in the sky.

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

A Naim, that was a good non-answer.

― Mr. Slimbody, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, my non-non-answer, then: Pyschosomatic sicknesses and healings have been demonstrated quite often. The body does have a strong connection to the mind, but it cannot raise someone from the dead, give sight to a person with no eyes, or replace amputated limbs. Also no spinal cord injury has ever been reported cured through any psycosomatic healing.

"A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones"

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

and you are mislabeling those exercises as "such gentle exercises." They are often more strenuous, even if much slower than, body builder reps.

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

You are probably thinking of a few types of Yoga. I do all of the above except Yoga, which I stopped years ago. And let me tell ya, they are not strenuous at all. I also work out 3x a week with weights, so I have a good comparison. You can teach your grandmother all of the above exercises.

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, why the bizarre comparisons to resurrection, amputation, etc?

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

So... been silent for a while, now.... How would you explain the mind/body relationship, A. Naim?

Or, as I asked in the first place, do you simply label it "anomoly" and move on because you can't explain it?

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

you'd find that the tai chi that grandmothers do is drastically different from the hard stuff. and qigong is just mental.

the stuff about going crazy i only ever see in martial art tv shows. but i guess i don't really know anyone who does kung fu in real life. in those tv shows people can leap across walls and float in the air and stuff.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

you'd find that the tai chi that grandmothers do is drastically different from the hard stuff. and qigong is just mental.

EXACTLY! Thank you for proving my point!

And Kundalini Psychosis is also known as "Qigong Disease". The "hard stuff" Tai Chi you're referring to has practicually no danger of this condition, as it is mostly sport. I have been talking about the mind/body relationship all along.

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope to meet someone one day who can leap across walls and float in air. closest i've seen was some guy who can snap a spear by pressing the sharp end with his throat and the other end on the floor and squeeze.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You'll never hear about this if you sign up for any "typical" martial arts class where you learn to kick ass and defend yourself:

http://www.kundalini.se/eng/qigong-disease.html

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

ken c, that is a "trick" to display "iron shirt". They show it in the Shaolin Temple video. It's a "trick" I wouldn't want to do for sure.

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally I think the mind has a lot of control over the body. Lots of times when I get headaches or a sick stomach, I just relax and thing happy thoughts and I feel somehat better. Those things i mentioned above are just to point out that there are many much more devistating things that the mind cannot control. When a practitioner of tai chi, qigong, taihi quan or yoga faces such circumstances there is nothing they can do to prevent it. So following these things as a means to spiritual enlightenment I think depends too much on trying to control the uncontrolable. How does a paralized person gain spiritual enlightenment in this way?

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

That being said, I think practicing some kind of activity to try and see a soul-mind-body connection is useful, but it means nothing without a right soul firstly.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

unless the practitioner is not interested in a right soul; then it can be good for exercise or health.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

That's the problem with Falun Dafa and Christian Science, I think. If you get cancer, they tell you not to go to a doctor.

A paralyzed person can still perform all of the above, because a sitting pose/meditation falls under all the above. ;)

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

" it means nothing without a right soul firstly."

The process often brings about huge changes in "the soul" that one would never expect. Just feeling amazing physically and mentally is enough to change a person's outlook.

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

And can someone give a good definition of qi (ki)?

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

That's what I was getting at. Science doesn't recognize it, period. Yet, this is the force people use for "iron shirt", this is the force you can feel moving, directed by your mind. So what is it?

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps I should've put the term "Quantum" in the title of this thread to attract the attention of some of the scientists here. I can understand why they wouldn't want the term "quantum" used in conjunction with "healing", but I wonder what their take is on what we're discussing here now as "mind/body."

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=quantum+yin+yang&btnG=Google+Search

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope to post to this thread when I have a bit more time and I'm a little less hung-over...even though I doubt posting here would do any good, or make a difference at all. I hope the so-called "scientists" don't dominate this thread, if indeedt hey do arrive. Does Mr. Slimbody have any other ILX aliases?

― Vic, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Several.

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

even though I doubt posting here would do any good, or make a difference at all

Why couldn't you make a difference?

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, i thought about it a bit and I think it's all glandular. The physical effects can be explained by the endocrine gland secreting hormones, and the gentle more pyscological practices would effect the glands more than the more just physical body builder workouts.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

It's absolutely glandular-- it's all about the endochrine system. But, is it a known fact that the endochrine system can be directed by the mind? Often, without moving, you'll just direct your Qi from one dan tien to the next, by the "fire path" or the "water path", etc.

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, relating to your paralysis question, this kind of relates to the mental aspect of it in a more blatantly spiritual way. This post deals with the inner temple" and simply IMAGINING the physical movements (it also discusses the "fire" and "water" paths:

from http://www.abodetao.com/messages/messages/711.html
"Continue with gi gong as you are, and practice tai chi.
you may practice even in wheelchair, just do movements with arms and legs (or just immagine movements if you can not do them completelly). That will speed up recovery.
To do inner alchemy, one must be very healthy. The techniques are very demanding and dangerous.
One mistake and there you go, back, many month work needed to repair.
And to do the final, highest achievements, one's body has to be incredibly strong to sustain the arival of pure SHEN. If not prepared, it can shater the body.
I stress again, good teacher is indispensable!!!
Lu Tung Pin said, progress with small steps and you will not stumble. How right he was!!!
In the readings I did, women have to start from middle dan tien, man start to work with lower dan tien first.
After a while, women go to lower dan.
I practice a fire path, I do not know the water system.

Reverse breathing is like this:
Buddhist's breathing: Inspiration - belly out, exhalation - bellin in.
Daoist's breathing: inhalation - belly in, exhalation - belly out. (daoist is considered reversed)
daoist breathing is more efficient to build the the strong Dan Tien faster."

― Mr. Slimbody, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

qi kinda means roughly like "air" or like in this sense probably like "air of life" or like "spirit" or "effort".. kind of thing. and you're supposed to be able to concentrate these things around your body appropriately to make you invincible to spears and stuff. and to float in mid air.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

I was looking to see if there were any threads on Kundalini Awakening and found this one. Has anyone managed to do this? Is it achievable or even adviseable? I've been training in martial arts for a while, and I've recently been recommended books by Glenn Morris. He talks a bit about how to do it, but the actual "how to" is quite vague.

Any thoughts or info would be appreciated.

― I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 09:55 (seventeen years ago)

Falun Gong 4tw

― ken c, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 10:08 (seventeen years ago)

It must be good, China banned it!

― I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 10:13 (seventeen years ago)

Is it achievable or even adviseable?

It's not advisable to "force" it, no.

― dell, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 17:03 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, there seem to be a lot of coded warnings and allusions to people suffering symptoms similar to mental breakdowns after practicing this.

The converse though is that the positive side of it isn't described very informatively. It seems that you're meant to obtain special powers, which the sceptical side of me is dubious about. I guess it seems like this of one of those things you can understand by doing, and I was wondering if anyone had gone through the experience themselves.

― I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 28 May 2008 17:10 (seventeen years ago)

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