The World Votes Kerry (apart from Poland, that is)

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Bush support lacking in a political poll of 23 nations

A 23-NATION poll on the United States presidential election shows people overwhelmingly choosing John Kerry over George Bush, according to results released yesterday.

In 22 of the 23 countries - in Europe, Latin America, Africa and the Middle East - those polled said by a landslide margin that if they could vote, they would back Mr Kerry.

The exception was Poland, where Mr Bush took 28 per cent of the votes and Mr Kerry 25 per cent. Germans, whose chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, was one of Europe’s leading opponents of the Iraq war, were among the most firmly against Mr Bush, with 69 per cent of respondents favouring Mr Kerry. The same proportion of Portuguese polled backed Mr Kerry.

Those polled elsewhere were of like mind - 60 per cent in Mexico, 59 per cent in Belgium, 57 per cent in Greece and 50 per cent in Canada all backing the Democratic contender.

Estefania Clavero, of Instituto DYM, a Spanish polling agency that participated in the survey, said she was not shocked that Mr Kerry was the most favoured, but was surprised by the lopsided margin of support.

The survey was conducted recently by Global Market Research, a consortium of polling agencies in 26 countries, Ms Clavero said.

The question was simple: "If you could vote in the upcoming elections to choose the president of the United States, who would you vote for?"

Between 300 and 500 voting-age adults were surveyed in each of the following countries: Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Brazil, Argentina, Britain, Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal, Finland, Germany, Italy, Greece, Poland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Lebanon and Cameroon.

The survey did not query why respondents felt as they did.

But for Spain, last year’s US-led invasion of Iraq is seen as having helped to bring down the ruling conservatives in general elections in March. The government backed the Iraq war, and many voters seemed to feel that this made Spain a target for al-Qaeda and triggered the Madrid train bombings of 11 March, which killed 191 people and were blamed on militants linked to al-Qaeda.

The new Socialist government’s relations with Washington are not at their strongest.

Mr Bush’s highest approval rating was in Guatemala, with 31 per cent - although he lost there, too.

The gap was relatively narrow in countries like Ukraine - 23 per cent for Mr Bush, 27 per cent for Mr Kerry - and Russia at 17-38.

Mr Bush’s lowest support was in Argentina, where just 4 per cent of respondents favoured him, compared with 54 per cent for Mr Kerry.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Those polled elsewhere were of like mind - 60 per cent in Mexico, 59 per cent in Belgium, 57 per cent in Greece and 50 per cent in Canada all backing the Democratic contender.

how was the canada bit were of like mind???

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The exception was Poland, where Mr Bush took 28 per cent of the votes and Mr Kerry 25 per cent

does this mean 47% heart Nader or are they of the 'why am i being asked to choose a President, this is not the USA' ilk?

the global disappointment if/when Bush wins may be akin to the last election in Iraq in which Saddam won by a landslide (he was the only person you could vote for tho).

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, that "you forgot Poland" shit actually worked.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

What difference does it make? Bush will never cede this nation's security to other countries. He doesn't belive in any .. "Global Test" .. Who would grade this .. "Global Test" ..? You're sending missed mexicans.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 21 October 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Are the full results of the poll available online? I'd love to see how the Finns voted.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 21 October 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

What about Iran? Iran is totally pro-Bush.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 21 October 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't find the poll yet, though I did stumble across this article in the Jerusalem Post about another survey inspired by the survey mentioned in my original post indicating that Israelis are 56-15 in favour of Bush (Israel wasn't included in the original poll). It also states that Nigeria and the Phillipines are pro-Bush, though that wasn't reported in the article I copied from The Scotsman.

While I'm here there's also this article in the International Herald Tribune regarding the political slant of those serving in Iraq:

An Annenberg election survey in early October of active-duty soldiers and their families found a clear preference for the president, with 69 percent placing greater trust in Bush as commander in chief and only 24 percent favoring Kerry. Of those surveyed, 43 percent identified themselves as Republican, 27 percent as independent and only 19 percent as Democratic.

I'm not sure how much weight that would carry, but it's the kind of thing I'd be mentioning frequently if I was the current president.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Where did they get 50% for Canada? They showed a survey on the new that had bush support at 16%!!! If I had to guess I'd say %16 sounds right for these parts.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

It was 50% for Kerry, not Bush. The figures don't add up to 100%, as you can see. I guess there are a lot of Don't Knows.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, options were Bush, Kerry, Don't Know or Fuck Off You Annoying Cunt What The Fuck Do I Care.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Where did they get 50% for Canada?
Yeah, I remember that survey that showed 84-16 in favour of Kerry, which was only about a month ago. So I have little trust in these results.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

But presumably that was only if you had to coose one or the other, no?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Canadians don't understand polls.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I know. The undecided/indifferent was less than 5%, in the one I saw, I remember that - the "we'd rather deal with Kerry" vote was about 80%.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Do Poles understand polls?

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I remember that survey that showed 84-16 in favour of Kerry, which was only about a month ago. So I have little trust in these results.

Was this before or after Kerry went on his antiCanadian tirade a few weeks ago? I'd still rather deal with him at this point though.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"we'd rather deal with Kerry" is maybe different from "If you could vote in the upcoming elections to choose the president of the United States, who would you vote for?"

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't recall the exact wording of the pole to be honest. What anti-Canadian tirade are you talking about, Noodles?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure I trust that Annenberg poll of the troops. It's difficult, if not impossible, to poll active-duty military personnel -- how were they able to contact the respondents?

There are other factors that lead me to doubt a 69-24 pro-Bush split is true:
1. Troops well into their second or third straight combat tour are unlikely to favor the Commander in Chief responsible for keeping them there.
2. Combat troops are likely to be more aware than the general public of command incompetence in the prosecution of the war effort. I know from experience that when I was in the Marines in the aftermath of Reagan's excursions into Lebanon, Grenada and Central America that there was general LOATHING at the troop level for that administration's policies -- and this was when Reagan was massively popular with the general public.
3. Minorities represent a far greater percentage of military personnel than the overall population. I doubt there's a huge groundswell of Republican support among blacks and latinos forced by economic factors into enlistment, then suddenly finding themselves called up to occupy Iraq.

How much you wanna bet that Annenberg poll was conducted primarily among officers and their families?

briania (briania), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

On the flip side, the world poll favoring Kerry is no great shocker. The world, as a whole, would probably favor a weaker America. Mary-Kate Olsen would probably out-poll Bush in Germany.

briania (briania), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

probably favor a weaker America..

Potential substitutes for weaker:
cooperative
rational
less arrogant

please, continue.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, those, too.

briania (briania), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

briania,

Are you suggesting that Mary-Kate Olsen's policies aren't hawkish enough?

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, compared to Ashley's.

Actually, my poorly-defined point is that it's no great revealation that nationalism only plays well at home. If you polled Pakistanis on who they favor for Indian PM, my guess is the "weaker" candidate would win handily.

briania (briania), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

What anti-Canadian tirade are you talking about, Noodles?

It was his love of Ontario garbage. He jumped into the Michigan trash importation issue, which involves more then just Ontario. And then went off from there.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember him trashing our trash. I don't recall anything beyond that tho (nothing that I would construe as anti-canuk).
They will all be eating their words on that issue anyhow when we stop taking in their toxic waste.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, my poorly-defined point is that it's no great revealation that nationalism only plays well at home. If you polled Pakistanis on who they favor for Indian PM, my guess is the "weaker" candidate would win handily.

I'm not sure this is true, or at least not always true. Thatcher was more popular abroad than at home. Except in Argentina, maybe. I guess it depends whether your country is seen as a threat or not.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Hard to imagine:
1. Old Maggie as a beloved international figure.
2. A world in which the U.S. is not seen as a threat.

briania (briania), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

1. is definitely true, esp. in Eastern Europe (and was true elsewhere - maybe not anymore)

2. No, I know. That was my attempt at accounting for the difference.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds about right with Thatcher - her international popularity was probably equivalent to that of Reagan. As far as western Europe, I have vivid memories of Amsterdam protestors marching side-by-side in Ronnie & Maggie deathmasks following the cruise missile deployment.

briania (briania), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, sorry, yes, I don't think she was ever particularly popular among our lefty Western EU neighbours.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't forget Israel. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/489024.html

Zion I, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

poles are strange

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 22 October 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Russia and Israel support Bush too... depressingly but not surprisingly

What did you do in the war, Dadaismus? (Dada), Friday, 22 October 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Russia and Israel support Bush too... depressingly but not surprisingly

Russia, when I visited it earlier this year, struck me as one of the most right wing-capitalist places I've ever been. Casinos, crime and advertising everywhere. Terrible air quality. Everyone out to make a quick buck. Cigarette promotions and competition.

Russia shares with Bush's America a decline in life expectancy and living standards for the poor. It shares with Britain a combination of high prices (Moscow is now the third most expensive city in the world to live in, without offering any of the actual quality of life or amenities that might suggest) and poor quality.

the world poll favoring Kerry is no great shocker. The world, as a whole, would probably favor a weaker America.

But it's precisely Bush who will deliver a weaker America. If I were really anti-American I would certainly want Bush to win so that we could get on with the 21st century belonging to the Chinese. I'm not yet at that stage, though.

In The Election and America's Future in the New York Review of Books Alan Ryan says:

'The claim that reelecting President Bush will make the world safer—any part of the world, including the United States—would be laughable if the Iraqi civilian death toll was not 15,000 and rising, if peace for Israelis and Palestinians was not further away than ever, and if international cooperation on everything from global warming to fighting AIDS had not been deeply damaged by the last four years of a know-nothing presidency. If it is a joke, it is in the worst possible taste.

'From almost anywhere outside the United States, it is impossible to understand how Mr. Bush has even a remote chance of reelection. In most of Europe, two thirds of the population has never weakened in its opposition to the war in Iraq—not out of affection for Saddam Hussein, but out of a well-founded understanding that Iraq was irrelevant to the war on terrorism until President Bush turned the country into a terrorist's playground.

'Even in Britain, it was only in the immediate aftermath of the invasion that a majority was in favor of war; support is now 40 percent. Seventy percent want a date set for the withdrawal of British troops; and 80 percent think the United States has no idea how to bring peace and stability to Iraq. These 80 percent of Britons share the global view that President Bush is a threat to world security. Unsurprisingly, so do Americans' neighbors—Canadians and Mexicans.'

Momus (Momus), Friday, 22 October 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

actually momus if i read the piece corrrectly russians favored kerry--it's putin who favors bush.

there is a lot of reaction in russia, a lot of gangster capitalism. but a lot of russians resent precisely that.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)


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