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Come on. I can't be the only one. Log out if you will but make yourselves known! Bush has got a lot wrong but he's got one very central thing right: long-term peace in the Middle East will only come through democracy.

― logged out to avoid cyber-lynching, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

lock the thread

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.hrzone.com/_/images/pay_people2.gif

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I were a moderator.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

http://rapidhate.org/images/stratergy.jpg

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

why wasn't this posted, on the noize board?

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

We don't support Bush, only experimental grammar.

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha

now lock the thread

― still bevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

The first step towards long term peace in the Middle East would be to put pressure on Isreal to give the palestinians their own state. Starting yet another (probably illegal) war in the region will just serve to fan the flames in the long run.

― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, I didn't mean it, that way.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush has got a lot wrong but he's got one very central thing right: long-term peace in the Middle East will only come through democracy.

Not only is this unverifiable but I don't see any proof that we're actually doing a good job at creating democracy in Iraq.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM

― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not interested in arguing with loggedout's logic, but it is a bit concerning that he or she feels that remaining anonymous is necessary. If somebody says "I support Bush", I have no problem agreeing to disagree (or engaging in debate). However, if people feel the need to remain anonymous if their views fall outside the ILX politcal hivemind then isn't that a bit disturbing (and I'm not laying blame on any particular person or persons)? Or maybe loggedout should be derided for hiding behind a fake name? I don't know.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

unless they're trying to bait us

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

what about a thread for B|N|P supporters? jokey or serious? can a line be drawn?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it does seem pretty cowardly. Does loggedout think we're all going to start bombarding him/her with derisory emails?

― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry is a fag.

― Colm Meany, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

At least he's not a whiny, fratboy coward.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Good point, Steve. I don't have a good answer to that.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

'cyber-lynching'?

Sheesh.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

if only Kerry WAS gay...

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"Wrong place, wrong war, wrong time." Let's see what happens if he's president. In all likelihood the governments of Europe will lord it over us dupes, demanding trade concessions, before inadquately helping us fund the fight they should have been in with us from day one. I'm tired of having to apologize to the rest of the world when we clearly dish out the most money in aid everywhere, do the most dirty work, and just get shit for it from the naysayers on the sidelines. Fuck Kerry.

― Colm Meany, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. The serial nature of posts on threads actually augments the level of discourse (inasmuch as it decreases screaming and interruption) and arguments in bad faith are easily pointed out, whatever side they seek to support. I will take no respoonsibility for loggedout's failure to back up his/her political opinions with a forthright statement of identity.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"Colm Meany" = GWB?

― identity theftor (deangulberry), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

In all likelihood the governments of Europe will lord it over us dupes, demanding trade concessions

I was under the impression the Bush government just agreed to a slew of concessions themselves.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

There are few people on this board that I wouldn't think less of if I found out that they believe the view expressed (in the way it was expressed) at the top of this thread, and that's only because there are some people who I couldn't think less of.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Like what, Ned? And address my third sentence, if you wouldn't mind.

― Colm Meany, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

when we clearly dish out the most money in aid everywhere

if only other nations had that amount of money in the first place eh? the world doesn't want a fucking stepdad to kick it's ass one minute and hand out sweets the next. fuck you.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG WHY ARE BUSH SUPPORTING ILXORS BESIDES ROGER AFRAID TO LOG IN AND SUPPORT THEIR MAN WHEN WE GIVE THEM THIS ONE THREAD WHERE WE TRY TO BAIT THEM INTO GETTING GANGED UP ON WTF WHY ARE PEOPLE SO MEAN ;( ;( ;( ETC ETC ETC

― identity theftor (deangulberry), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

dish out the most money in aid everywhere

In absolute terms, yes. By per-capita expenditures, no.

do the most dirty work

While I'm sure you meant 'most of the dirty work', I'll point out that it's not only often 'dirty' but agree with your Freudian slip.

demanding trade concessions

Crybaby. Every government, including our own (Demo. or Repub.) negotiates trade agreements with their own interests at heart and as toughly as they can.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a thread about xenophobia or "WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR GEORGE W. BUSH OR JOHN
KERRY GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?"

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/0123/photo/a_tyson_i.jpg

― identity theftor (deangulberry), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still waiting for a Bush supporter to give me one compelling reason (that isn't "supported" by distortions) why GWB is a *good* choice, let alone a *better* choice than Kerry.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

life's too short for that long a wait

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

About dishing out aid and all that, Colm? There is something charming in believing that the answer to a problem is to throw money at it. There is a complaint among many that a tendency to tax and spend is utterly horrible and must be removed from any aspect of the federal government at all costs. When the arena for this switches from home to abroad, however, then clearly it is the recipient's fault for not showing the proper gratitude for what we do, which apparently should not be stopped.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

bush campaign ads are a laff

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

the US is doing bupkis about the real financial issues facing the world: access to cheap credit, and debt forgiveness. so spare us the sanctimony, colm! as for the part of your third sentence where you switch gears completely to talking about iraq (i guess), please be disabused of the idea that our european allies wanted no part of it - they wanted VERY much to be at the table where the big boys divvy the loot - but the terms weren't to their liking. try reading a newspaper (more than one!), or even seeing a play ("stuff happens" by david hare)

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

a tendency to tax and spend is utterly horrible and must be removed from any aspect of the federal government at all costs.
.. There further seems to be an attitude that "Cut taxes and spend recklessly" is desirable.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, we either spend the money selflessly (to aid those stricken by disasters or famine) or we spend it for political ends (Israel, Egypt, Pakistan, Columbia), in which case whinging about ingratitude is like saying your prositiute didn't thank you enough for the money. If it weren't so grotesque it would be merely contmptible.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

There further seems to be an attitude that "Cut taxes and spend recklessly" is desirable.

Indeed. It's all play money, after all.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

If Bush wasn't president the people of Afghanistan wouldn't have voted the other day. And anyone who thinks that most people in Iraq aren't happier that Saddam isn't in power anymore can a big fat dick. Think about that before you ride your bullshit Kerry high horse next Tuesday.

― Colm Meany, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

can a big fat dick what?

vote for bush?

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I think our actions in Afghanistan mostly have bi-partisan support.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Excuse me, that's "EAT a big fat dick." (and not directed at Ned personally but impersonally at anyone who ignores how much of an asshole Saddam was. Dodging the issue with "there's 37 other mean dictators--what about them?" is a nice redirection but ultimately disrespectful to the people tortured under Saddam and the multitudes of Kurds killed by his regime. Dude had to go--Bush took him out--that's a pretty big *reason* dave225.)

― Colm Meany, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

do you like it, when people talk about executions, in texas, under gov. george?

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

was it worth 10k civilian deaths?

and 1000+ "allied" deaths?

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

If it was inevitable that Saddam had to go, then fine, I'll work under that assumption. Then why didn't Bush listen to his own military advisors when planning the war? (Or, I should say UNplanning the war - since it was planned and then the White House undermined the plans time after time..)

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

so why didn't Bush invade Iraq in 2000 Colm?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=159

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Log out if you will but make yourselves known!

Isn't this an oxymoron?

― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Skipping 308 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

You then usually follow up your posts with a childish insult.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 29 October 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

2) There is actual PROOF to support the liberal claims of a media bias.
There is?
How can bias be isolated from the politics? That is, the right will claim they have all the "facts" and therefore the left is biased and uninformed, and the the left will claim the opposite. And then it all comes down to whose politics are "correct", which isn't provable.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 29 October 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well if it isn't "provable" then I guess mentioning the insane amount of campaign contribution to the rublican party by people like Rupert Murdoch is moot then?

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 29 October 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

MIR, i don't think bias has to mean skewering facts.

i also don't think the assertion that the major media outlets are controlled by 'big business' is all that absurd, since, uh, they are.

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

FRESH AND WHITE PEOPLE AER HEEEEEEEEERE!

― hampsterfrench (hampsterfrench), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

hampsterfrench: why am i the biggest genius ever!

― parakeet_esparanto (parakeetesparanto), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

"2) There is actual PROOF to support the liberal claims of a media bias."

Are you going for the "Somehow Even Dumber Than Cinniblount" award?

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think bias has to mean skewering facts
"Bias" doesn't necessarily mean skewering the facts. There is more than one interpretation of any set of facts (which in turn depends on which facts you choose to consider and which ones you choose to ignore).

Thermo's comments made me think of Fox News' justification for existing, i.e. they believed that the major media outlets all favoured the left, which necessitated the creation of a "balanced" network that would set everything straight. Whereas I (and many others) would have said that the media was already biased toward the right before Fox arrived on the scene.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you proving my point #1, Roger.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Now I don't know about the bias of the media as a whole, but you can certainly tell which pantleg the people at Fox put on first each morning. During the period when the debates were running, each debate was followed by a "factcheck" session sent out over the wire. I remember seeing one of them that went out over the Associated Press that turned up on Fox News and and would have thought, "Oh my, Kerry got more facts wrong than Bush" if I hadn't seen the exact same piece on the CNN site which inconveniently (for Fox News) didn't omit all of Bush's gaffes.

It was also telling that some of the headlines--HEADLINES--on the Fox site were on the order of "Is this Man (insert picture of Kerry) [Honest/Manly/whatever] Enough to be President?" (I don't remember the exact wording, but it contrasted sharply to the type of "news" you see elsewhere, where you get far more subtle bias in the text rather than leaping out at you in heading-sized text from the main page. Balanced, my ass.)

That's all without mentioning the inconvenience of their instant poll magically disappearing from their website when---horrors--Kerry actually pulled ahead in the "who won the debate?" poll.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

This was exactly my point. They (Fox) think they're "balanced". Sane people think otherwise (partly because sane people, without justifiable reason, don't throw out all the data which inconveniently doesn't support their thesis).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I´m voting for Bush. Most of the other people in my state will be voting for Kerry so it doesn´t make much of a difference. If I was in a more pro-Bush state I´d vote for Nader. My reasons were mainly articulated very well in some radio talk show host panel discussion I watched on C-SPAN last week. Shmuley, Bill Bennett, Michael Graham, Steve Malzberg, and Dom Giordano with Alan Colmes, Lionel, Karen Hunter, Thom Hartmann and Stephanie Miller argued over lots of topics.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/TangEssentials/GOODDOG.jpg

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

YES!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I can´t tell if that dog is supporting Bush or not.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe there was a Kerry/Edwards sign next door and he was aiming for that.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I can´t tell if that dog is supporting Bush or not.

Well, I could go and pee in Bush's face directly and we could draw a comparison.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah MIR my point was that bias can appear in the picking and the presentation, so i've really no idea what you're saying! conclusions of bias in the news simply aren't attainable by incontrivertible proof, but any sane person is going to know it when it's there? wha? sorry, i'm really tired.

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

an elegy for lost youth

there's a punk on my block that's got a "bush/cheney 2004" poster in his window.
tomorrow night is mischief night.
does this guy love the smell of rotten eggs?
oh, to be 16 again!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean i guess it's possible that's what you were saying but it seems moot here (Xpost)

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

eisbar what's holding you up???

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm 34 and an officer of the court.
ergo, i don't egg anymore.
though i want to ... and this guy deserves it!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

C´mon, no one will see you.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

a real officer of the court would not let justice take a backseat to a chronological inconvenience or two!!

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

so i've really no idea what you're saying!
Sorry, ignore the first sentence of my response to your post. I somehow missed the "don't" in your sentence. Everything else I wrote is basically preaching to the choir. You and I are in agreement here.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost to John)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Eureka, I've finally figured it out. There are so many reasons not to support him that it's become like white noise.

Draft dodging + flight suit bullshit + stealing election + lying about why we invaded Iraq + environmental protection degradation + $11 billion budget turnaround + no post-combat Iraq strategy + pissing off world + letting Osama go + disenfranchising black voters then and now + Bush family ties to the Bin Ladens + general stupidity and embarrassing inarticulateness in the debates=too much to take! Conservative brains have shorted out! It's like your football team's gone 0-16 and you're numb and punchdrunk and all the more supportive for their astounding failure. I mean, what else could it possibly be?

― al gore, Friday, 29 October 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/Vote%20Republican.JPG

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 29 October 2004 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush blew it!
WASHINGTON, D.C.- In every focus group phone bank, and poll, the message from the voting public has been essentially the same: the disintegrating situation in Iraq has seriously hurt the President's chances at reelection. It isn't so much that the war in Iraq hasn't gone so well, what really upsets folks is that its primary purpose turned out to be an illusion. As the President's numbers steadily drop in the final days leading up to the general election, long-time Bush allies are now chastising the Commander in Chief for not doing more to stem the tide of public opinion.

In more specific terms, they are asking why the President never planted banned weapons in Iraq.

"Can someone tell me what is going on in the White House?" asked Senator Lindsey Graham (R. South Carolina). "Karl Rove promised us fake nukes by September, and where are they? Now it looks like we could actually lose this thing. I want my coat-tails. Where the hell are my coat-tails, Mr. President?"

According to anonymous sources inside the White House, Rove has spent the past week apologizing to GOP donors and supporters, explaining that Operation Southern Sheriff turned out to be far more complex than originally estimated. Not only was an elite squad needed for insertion of the fabricated evidence, producing untraceable nuclear material required a team of hundreds of notoriously independent-minded scientists, any one of whom could ruin the whole thing.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 29 October 2004 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

oh man silent service was so good.

― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 29 October 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway fuck y'all, i'ma be drivin ppl to the polls all day on 11/2. MN is blue, goddammit, period, point blank.

― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 29 October 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Even dumber than we thought...

http://www.guerrillanews.com/articles/article.php?id=761

― JZ, Friday, 29 October 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

And now that Sharon has agreed to pull out of Gaza, they might just get that state. But I have to admit I'm pessimistic. Every indication is that Hamas doesn't WANT a separate Palestinian state. They want all the Jews dead, and they are fairly upfront about admitting it. Kerry definitely doesn't get that - how much can negotiation help in such a situation? - and I'm not sure that Bush does.

― mike a, Friday, 29 October 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

a nairn, what are those reasons that were articulated so well on c-span? a broad sketch of the ideas will do fine.

― m. (mitchlnw), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

BUSH EVENT IN NEW HAMPSHIRE: Event workers had been told to fire off confetti pods when Bush said, 'God Bless'... his normal closing line. But 5 minutes before the end of his speech, Bush offered a "God Bless" to Arlene Howard, mother of George Howard a Port Authority of New York/New Jersey Police Officer killed in the World Trade Center... BLAM!!!!! Everyone first ducked -- hard -- then looked up to see confetti falling. Bush looked momentarily stunned, then plain unhappy, then just went on with his speech as the confetti rained to the floor of the Verizon Wireless Arena...

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://base58.com/ilx/chickenreason.jpg

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)HAHAHAHAHA

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 29 October 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

a nairn?

― m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 30 October 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

...?

― m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 30 October 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I AM MOMUSFOR HALLOWEEN

― sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Sunday, 31 October 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I love I Love Everything.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 October 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Furthermore, I'm amazed anyone would admit to being a Bush supporter, especially here. That's like walking into a massive gender equality convention and asking the head speaker to iron your pants.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 October 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

and for roughly the same reason (sheer bloody mindedness), one suspects

― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

or just plain ol' American balls

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Only a testicle would vote for Bush. So yes.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 October 2004 07:41 (twenty-one years ago)

are american balls particularly plain then?

― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

some balls are fancier than others

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Sunday, 31 October 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

some are adorned with faeces, depending on the wiping direction, apparently.

― Darra.ghmac, Sunday, 31 October 2004 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)

and others are just shitty

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Sunday, 31 October 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.tux.org/~bagleyd/unicycle_factory/cartoons/yes.gif

― ilxor and proud republican... yes, we do exist!, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

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