(What is interesting to me is that Buchanan, Lincoln's predecessor in office, also has been claimed as gay by researchers and historians.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago)
― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Thursday, 28 October 2004 02:59 (twenty years ago)
― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:00 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago)
― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:09 (twenty years ago)
ie it was normal for men to share beds, and lives in the west at that time and place, mostly b/c there werent a hell of a lot of women (nb johnathon ned katz''s book on this, whose title ive forggotten)
ie buchanan seemed kind of sissy like, but then any educated, interiror man of that time was viewed that way (he was also useless and a warmonger, we should concetrate on that.)
― anthony, Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:12 (twenty years ago)
Also because it was hella cold in the winter.
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:14 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:17 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:26 (twenty years ago)
― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:30 (twenty years ago)
anyway i don't really see how uncovering aspects of lincoln's sexual activities would help us better understand those things for which lincoln is famous and important.
― amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:44 (twenty years ago)
― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago)
― amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago)
― amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:46 (twenty years ago)
― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:50 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:51 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:54 (twenty years ago)
i can't imagine actually going into a trench and moving a bunch of smelly corpses around to get a better photo. now that's determination.
― amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:56 (twenty years ago)
speaking of lincoln kicking it, i saw "birth of a nation" on the big screen a few weeks ago and was struck again by how amazing is t he scene of lincoln's assassination in that film. a beautiful and exciting stretch of cinema.
[necessary disclaimers about how the film is otherwise quite ideologically repugnant etc.]
― amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:57 (twenty years ago)
This of course doesn't mean Lincoln couldn't have preferred homosexual encounters to heterosexual ones...
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 28 October 2004 05:58 (twenty years ago)
― Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 28 October 2004 06:06 (twenty years ago)
anyway i like my american political heroes like i like my rifles: celibate.
xpost
i don't think it's scattered bit of genius, i think it's through-and-through a quite amazing film, although that scene is a definite highlight. it is also a really disgusting bit of propaganda for race-hatred, and a falsification of american history.
― amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 06:10 (twenty years ago)
― anthony, Thursday, 28 October 2004 09:25 (twenty years ago)
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:32 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:58 (twenty years ago)
― amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago)
― Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago)
― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:07 (twenty years ago)
i will try to work this phrase into several conversations this week.
― amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago)
I heart sinning.
― Hank Tenbeer (kenan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago)
I've read suggestions that Mary Todd Lincoln's were not inconsistent with tertiary syphilis. This doesn't prove anything about Lincoln's sexual preferences, but this wouldn't be the first case in which a man caught a VD from an extramarital partner and passed it on to his wife.
Mind you, seeing one's husband shot right in front of you would tend to unhinge most minds.
― j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago)
― Hank Tenbeer (kenan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago)
Particularly if the shooter then threw dead gay babies at you.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago)
― Hank Tenbeer (kenan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago)
― anthony, Thursday, 28 October 2004 20:54 (twenty years ago)
so if you're ambitious but straight-mannish, maybe i can help out.
http://gaycitynews.nyc/larry-kramers-search-heart-history/
http://www.out.com/art-books/2015/3/26/larry-kramer-historical-outings-american-people
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:22 (ten years ago)
cut to the chase: Kramer's historical novel (part 1!) sez Lincoln and many other presidents, Hamilton, Lafayette et al were queer
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:28 (ten years ago)
is Buchanan in there
(the closet)
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:36 (ten years ago)
too obvious maybe? Washington, tho.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:40 (ten years ago)
in Burr, Vidal's narrator hints that Washington has a massive crush on Hamilton, and that the latter advanced because of his accepting the attentions of older men.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:47 (ten years ago)
lol at this
Joshua Speed, the most important of Abe’s amours is copiously quoted and/ or paraphrased from documents Larry has examined: “From the first night we met I held him in my arms, each night for going on four years. And he held me in his arms even tighter. We were both big strapping young men and my big bed took quite a beating. If Billy came upon us, or Abner, in the middle of our occupations, they would throw a pillow at us. Oh how we laughed, all of us. Those were happy days. Abraham was twenty-eight. I was twenty-two.”
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:51 (ten years ago)
you have no romance in your heart
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:56 (ten years ago)
We were both big strapping young men and my big bed took quite a beating. If Billy came upon us, or Abner, in the middle of our occupations, they would throw a pillow at us. Oh how we laughed, all of us. Those were happy days.
I don't think I've read this Clickhole article
― the geographibebebe (unregistered), Friday, 27 March 2015 02:41 (ten years ago)
but I can tell it was written by the 'big jazz boy' person
http://www.yasminnair.net/content/larry-kramer-imitation-game-and-gay-obsession-exceptionalism
― Pic Verry (mattresslessness), Friday, 27 March 2015 03:06 (ten years ago)
that's a heck of a url
― call all destroyer, Friday, 27 March 2015 03:30 (ten years ago)
per the NYT review today, Franklin, Jackson, Pierce, Buchanan, Samuel Clemens, all gay
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2015 17:25 (ten years ago)
Pierce was one of the cuter and more bibulous presidents.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 March 2015 17:50 (ten years ago)