Let's Talk About Cramp

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Good god I hate cramp. What's the point of it? Got one so bad a few mornings ago I couldn't move w/out um EXTREMER agony (cos I was pretty agonied just lying there) for 10 mins or so, then limped for two days. Is it salt? Is it lack of fitness and muscletone and that sort of thing? It hurts. I'll prob live, tho.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Lack of potassium, I think, has something to do with it.

Yeah, it's a real pisser.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Cramp is an awful thing, especially if it happens in the middle of sex!

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Lack of Potassium can cause it so eat some potatoes! I think lack of calcium and general dehydration can cause it too. Wet, milky, potatoes.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

that's odd, i was just thinking about potassium 30 seconds ago.

results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not kidding.

results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Woah. Guess which element I'm thinking of... now!

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

MAGNESIUM

results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Eat more bananas. Also, massaging (like, so it really hurts again) the muscle immediately after the cramp has subsided can help to loosen it up sooner. I've found that going swimming (so any other reasonable excercise, I guess) helps cramped muscles ease up.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

great band!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

as soon as i feel the cramp coming on, I lift my leg and massage he area and waggle it about while wimpering. This seems to stop it in its tracks before it gets too bad. Has nothing to do with muscle tone either, I think its just part of growing up.

lukey (Lukey G), Monday, 1 November 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate it when I get a stitch, that's the worstest. Someone told me that no one knows what causes stitches.

(glad to see Let's Talk About is taking off)

jel -- (jel), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

what is getting a STITCH all about?

I've always called leg cramps 'charley horses'

battlin' green eyeshades (Homosexual II), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

A stitch is kinda like when your stomach gets all knotted like...it's pretty painful and hard to explain.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't it when muscles in your torso are starved of oxygen when you do exercise - if you're not breathing deeply enough, the legs or whatever take from the non-utilised organs the majority of the oxygen in the blood??

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Cor, sounds plausible Dr Barry!

jel -- (jel), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always called leg cramps 'charley horses'
A charley horse is a really deep bruise--usually from someone elbowing you or kneeing you--, but one that causes a muscle group to kind of seize up, like a cramp. Right?

robots in love (robotsinlove), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope this doesn't format all weird...


from www.thefactsaboutfitness.com -

"Despite what you might have been told, scientists aren't really sure what causes the stitch. During exercise, blood is shunted away from the diaphragm (one of the muscles involved in breathing) to the limbs. According to conventional wisdom, the pain is caused by a reduction in blood supply to the diaphragm.

However, two researchers from the University of Otago had a different idea. Brian Plunkett and Will Hopkins tested a theory first put forward in the early 1940's. They proposed that the stitch is actually caused by the gut "tugging" on the ligaments connecting it to the diaphragm.

Plunkett and Hopkins gave their subjects a number of different fluids that digested at different speeds. According to the ligament theory, the pain of the stitch should remain high with fluids that digest slowly. Fluids digesting quickly should reduce the weight of the gut — easing the pain of the stitch.

The results tended to support the theory. Fluids digesting slowly led to an increase in stitch intensity that was more than double that of the fast digesting drinks.

Plunkett and Hopkins also tested several strategies designed to relieve the stitch. There were three that proved most effective.

• Wait 2-3 hours before exercising after a large (1 liter or more) drink or meal.

When you get a stitch, bend forward and tighten your abdominal muscles, while breathing out through pursed lips. The lower position of the diaphragm and increased contraction of the abdominals are designed to reduce tension on the ligaments.

Try wearing a light wide belt around your waist. This is designed to move your abdominal contents upward and inward — reducing tension on ligaments between gut and diaphragm."

or, from www.bodyresults.com -

Q: What causes "side stitches," how do I get rid of them, and how do I prevent them from occurring in the first place?

A: Great question! In the May-June 1992 issue of Running Research News, Dr. Gordon Quick discussed this very topic. A "side stitch" is a sharp, intense pain under the lower edge of the ribcage caused by a muscle spasm of the diaphragm. Such pain can occur during vigorous exercise, such as running, and seems to occur more commonly in novice exercisers who have not yet established proper pacing and who tend to breathe more quickly and shallow. However, about 30% of all runners will experience stitches at some point. What exactly causes them? On inhalation, we take air into the lungs, pressing the diaphragm downward. When we exhale, the diaphragm moves up. If the body has some trapped air/gas below the diaphragm, if we've eaten too close to exercise, or if we start exercising too vigorously, the diaphragm may cramp, causing pain under the rib cage on the right side.

How do you cure the problem?
As with any muscle cramp, the best immediate treatment is to try to stretch the cramping muscle as much as possible. How do you get to the diaphragm on the inside of your body?, Try altering your breathing pattern. Take a deep breath in as quickly as you can, to force the diaphragm down. Hold the breath for a couple of seconds and then forcibly exhale through pursed lips to restrict the outward air flow. You may also find that bending forward can help you expel as much air as possible. I have actually found that stretching up as tall as I could, even to the point of extending arms up over head, then alternating crouch-tall and tightening/flexing the abs, helped as well. You may even have to stop and walk briskly for a few seconds while concentrating on deep breathing. Continue running after the stitch goes away. If you get a cramp in the middle of a race, you might want to try mixing up your rhythmic breathing/ striding pattern. If you always exhale when your right foot strikes the ground, try exhaling with the left foot strike. Believe it or not, according to Dr. Quick, the organs attached to the diaphragm on the left side of the body aren't quite as big as those on the right side, hence there is less strain on the diaphragm. Another technique that may work for some is peaceful visualization--if you are feeling stressed from the day or race, try imagining you are elsewhere, and take deep calming breaths as you run.

How do you prevent the problem?
The most effective way to prevent a side stitch is to take deep, full "belly breaths" while running. This will allow the diaphragm to fully lower and reduces the stress on it. If you take a lot of shallow breaths when running, the diaphragm remains in a consistently high position and never lowers enough to allow the connective ligaments of the liver to relax. The diaphragm becomes stressed and a "stitch" may result. Another way to prevent stitches is to make sure you include a warm-up that helps you gradually increase your running speed. If you head out in an all-out dash from the front door, you're more likely to take quick, short, shallow breaths, inducing a cramp.

Additional thoughts
Running downhill increases the forces exerted on the entire body with each foot strike and may induce side stitches, especially if you are nervous (for whatever reason) about running downhill to begin with! Try walking or slowly jogging down any steep hills until you have mastered deep breathing techniques.

If you tend to suffer from side stitches, try to avoid eating within 1 hour of running. Water or gatorade is fine within an hour -- liquid empties from the stomach faster than solids and shouldn't cause any problems.

Running in extreme cold temperatures may induce side stitches, as it's less comfortable to take in deep lungs full of frigid air until you're thoroughly warmed up. Try doing some sort of warmup indoors first, before hitting the icy city streets.

Strengthening the abdominal and lower back (core) muscles can help prevent stitches since tighter muscles in the mid-section will allow less movement of those internal organs. Happy running!"

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Thread killer.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It was just taking off, too

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway yeah I'll happily eat more potatoes. I do the massage thing before/during/after cramp, doesn't seem to be too much help tho.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

still leaves the mystery of night-time non-stitchy cramps to be unravelled though...

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I get cramp in the heel of my hand every time I try and write with a pencil/biro. Also, sometimes playing football, especially when stretching to make a tackle, I get cramp under my chin from gurning too hard. Am I a freak?

Adam Faithless (Adam Faithless), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...
Argh! I've been woken up early in the morning twice this week due to leg-cramp, and I eat pleny of banana.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

eat more salt.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

A night on the piss gives me cramp.

Oh, and having my period too.

Rumpie, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

I have cramps in my belly. This seems to be the muscles being stretched due to pregnancy. It's okay. Nothing too bad.

nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

Ssshhhhhh! We're not allowed to talk about our periods on ILX!

Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

"wet, milky potatoes"

omg roffleroffle

g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

i was helping someone move about a month ago and i hurt my back pretty bad. i still haven't fully recovered. i don't know if that's "cramp" so much as excruciating pain.

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 10:22 (twenty years ago)

I noticed an immediate onset of night-time toe, foot and calf cramps when I resumed taking vitamins after years of neglect. I stopped taking the vitamins, the cramps stopped right away. Then some months later I took a bunch of C for some reason. Insta-cramps. So check your ascorbic acid intake. I got so sensitized to it that even large amounts of orange juice would set it off.
Now they say vitamin supplements do no good, that you should get your vitamins from food. Plus the amounts were always so high. Thousands of times the daily requirement. That can't be good. So it might be an overabundance rather than a lack that causes cramps. Or maybe all the C upsets the natural electrolyte balance. I haven't read anything to this effect—this is all anecdotal.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

woke up with calf cramp for the first time ever yesterday and spent the day hobbling around the apt and ate a banana for the first time in ages. Was this poor stretching (I had bounced a 180 on the leg the day before after running) or am I dying?

gabbneb, Monday, 17 November 2008 02:35 (seventeen years ago)

in hs, we had a swim coach named cramp

gabbneb, Monday, 17 November 2008 02:39 (seventeen years ago)

you are dying. Make sure your affairs are in order.

;n_n; (tehresa), Monday, 17 November 2008 02:40 (seventeen years ago)

My mom was having bad leg cramps and her doctor told her to drink some tonic water because of the quinine in it and that seemed to help her quite a bit.

svend, Monday, 17 November 2008 02:42 (seventeen years ago)

during periods of heavy, sustained daily drinking i would wake up with calf cramp on most mornings. not the nicest sensation to wake up to. they went away when i dried up a bit

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Monday, 17 November 2008 02:42 (seventeen years ago)

booze drinking that is

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Monday, 17 November 2008 02:42 (seventeen years ago)

apparently bananas are good for cramp

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Monday, 17 November 2008 02:42 (seventeen years ago)

*reads thread* oh

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Monday, 17 November 2008 02:43 (seventeen years ago)

halp, dying

gabbneb, Monday, 17 November 2008 02:43 (seventeen years ago)


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