Ever feel like you just want to curl up in a corner and cry?

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I've fucked up my new car.
I keep getting solicitors' letters in the post
I owe thousands of pounds to people who have probably lost track of my address, so they have probably taken me to court in my absence to bankrupt me by now.

Basically, I just want to set off in my car, and drive the wrong way down the motorway at full speed until I'm killed.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 08:55 (twenty years ago)

Oh no Caitlin, please don't. (In answer to your question, yes I do!) Is there anything you can do about these things?

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:01 (twenty years ago)

At the start of his career, when he was still a penniless music-hall stand-up comedian, Peter Sellers had a system of dealing with his creditors: once a month he'd write their names down, put them in a hat and whichever one got picked out first got paid that month. He told persistent creditors that if they didn't stop hassling him, their name wouldn't go in the hat next month.

Strangely enough the system worked, and I would still recommend it.

Alternatively just keep on paying something regularly, even if it's only a fiver a month.

Otherwise, what can solicitors do? They could take you to court and obtain a CCJ, but you would have the opportunity to state your case and tell them how much you can realistically afford to pay. Judges/courts aren't in the business of making ordinary people bankrupt unless it's as an absolute last resort when all other means of getting the debtor to pay something has failed.

Most importantly MONEY ISN'T WORTH KILLING YOURSELF FOR. IT'S ONLY PAPER. IT'S ONLY STUFF. SO DON'T TRY IT.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:12 (twenty years ago)

What I'm worried about is that they have probably taken me to court in my absence, not being able to get in touch with me.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:26 (twenty years ago)

That is very unlikely to happen; if they can't contact you at your old address, they usually pass it on to their debt collectors who do a search of electoral registers, etc., and contact you at your current address.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:33 (twenty years ago)

That isn't the end of the world. You've got to take your head out of the sand, obtain a credit report, and if there are CCJs you have to make contact to the annoyed party with your new address. If you work at it you can satisfy all those and it will be noted on subsequent reports.

Bankruptcy proceedings are so serious that they kind of want you to be part of them due to the ramifications of being bankrupt. That is not something you should worry about. After all, you are employed and can agree reasonable terms - most if not all may waive future interest under the circumstances (older debts have at least been written off internally so you pitching up and offering them your fiver is fine by them).

Also do not get a consolidation loan because there is a huge temptation to get £2000 or so more than you need rather than telling yourself "I have £20 a month to assign to these debts" and sticking to that. Oh, and watch your bank like a hawk. Unless they can prove that they suffered actual financial loss, they're not really entitled to those £30 admin charges they rain down and if you challenge them on this basis they will most likely do you a 'goodwill gesture' refund.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:40 (twenty years ago)

Marcello: I don't think they'll even know that they can't cotnact me at the old address, if the new tenants aren't returning my mail.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:58 (twenty years ago)

Debt is the worst kind of disembowelling long term panic, I find. But there are practical things you can do about it, which don't involve car crashes, like meeting someone at the bank and working out manageable loans. The chances of having a court judgement against you are slim, as Marcello points out.

Do not get a consolidation loan off some tv advert company under any circumstances.

I want to curl up in a corner and cry more often than I'd like to admit to.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:05 (twenty years ago)

More than anything else, fear of the bailiffs is what keeps us "in school" all our lives.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:18 (twenty years ago)

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/debt/seeking_help_with_debt.htm

C J (C J), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:25 (twenty years ago)

Focus on ONE problem at a time. Write down exactly what the problem is and what you can do about it. Do that. Go to the next problem.

When things seem too overwhelming to do this, that's exactly when it's most vital that you DO do it. The best way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time.

With the financial issues, what people have already said is otm. One certainty is that debt won't go away if you just ignore it. Take control now, even in a small way, and you'll feel better, I promise.

There is nothing wrong with crying, though.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:29 (twenty years ago)

Do not get a consolidation loan off some tv advert company under any circumstances.

Fortunately, I know that would be a damn stupid thing to try. One of my guiding principles in life is, don't trust anything advertised on daytime tv.

Oh, and the car isn't as fucked-up as I thought, thankfully.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:59 (twenty years ago)

Caitlin, I don't know anything about your personal circumstances so forgive me if any of the following is irrelevant.

1) Are you currently working? If so, any chance you could negotiate any sort of pay rise, even a small one? If you've taken on any additional responsibilities or expanded your role, you might be able to put forward a case for more money.

2) Get a second job. Barmaid or waitressing two nights a week might help ease the cashflow situation, plus it gets you out of the house in the evening and gives you a social life (of some sort) where you don't need to spend any money. Are you outgoing and sociable? Try flogging Virgin Vie cosmetics via party plan - I think it's quite cheap to start this business up, and everyone I know who does it earns quite a lot of dosh from it.

3) Sell stuff you don't want on Ebay.

4) Draw up a strict weekly budget, and stick to it. No more buying sandwiches for lunch - get up 5 minutes earlier and make your own. No more impulse buys to cheer yourself up. Cut up your credit cards if you can't trust yourself not to use them.

5) Do you need a car? Could you manage without one at all? Even for six months?

6) What are your living arrangements? Can you look for somewhere cheaper to live? Do you have a spare room which you could rent out to a lodger?

C J (C J), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago)

1) Yes, no - I've only recently started the job.
2) I'm exhausted enough with the job I have
5) Yes - there just isn't any public transport which will get me to work on time.
6) I live with my parents, so there's no room for any money-saving there.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Can you come clean and tell your parents that you are in a huge financial mess? They'll probably grumble at you, like parents do, but perhaps they'll be able to help you sort it out.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago)

not really.

They know some of it. They don't know exactly how much I owe (hell, nor do i), nor just how low I've been feeling lately over the crapness of my life. They can't understand why i think my life's so awful, for one thing.

They have helped by borrowing the money for my car themselves, and lending it to me.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:47 (twenty years ago)

Why do you owe so much money? Have you just been irresponsible, or have you had periods of unemployment or other major financial strains to deal with?

Do you run up big credit bills by buying things you think will make you happy? Because if that's the case, even if you were to magically pay off all these debts overnight, the underlying unhappiness which causes you to overspend will still be there, and you'll end up in the same situation again before long. Maybe you need to tackle the reasons why you feel that your life if so crap - the things behind the money worries. What are they?

C J (C J), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:58 (twenty years ago)

The main big debt is unpaid council tax from my old flat. Altogether, before I moved out, they sent me various debt-collection demands that added up to about £8000, although a good £6500 of that was for a period when our flat was tax-exempt.

Since I left university, I've been pretty much on the breadline - even when I had a job, I was being paid so little that when I took out rent and food there was no money for council tax or utility bills.

Fortunately (again), I don't have any credit cards. I do occasionally binge-shop on things like clothes or CDs, though.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:01 (twenty years ago)

The main big debt is unpaid council tax from my old flat. Altogether, before I moved out, they sent me various debt-collection demands that added up to about £8000, although a good £6500 of that was for a period when our flat was tax-exempt.
Have you informed them of this?

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Yes, many many times. They occasionally sent back cryptic forms with "re-assessments" on, but I could never understand a) what period each one covered b) what I still had to pay c) whether I should pay it to the council or to the debt collectors. When I *did* try checking with the debt collectors, the council had never passed on updates about my case to them anyway.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Send the debt collectors & the council the same letter with evidence as to why you were council tax exempt.

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago)

So contact the council and get them to sort out the bill properly - owing £1500 isn't nearly as bad as thinking you owe £8,000! If you're on the breadline, you're on the breadline.....if you simply haven't got the money, the council can't make unreasonable demands for you paying the arrears off. Offer them something silly like £1 a week to shut them up (they'll more than likely accept it, rather than nothing at all, if you can prove you haven't got the wherewithall).

If you were (are) so poorly paid, were you claiming all the benefits you were entitled to (such as Council Tax benefits etc)?


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C J (C J), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:10 (twenty years ago)

To answer the original question: yes - but not as often as I used.

Age brings a certain 'so what?' perspective. And I got bored with the pattern of retiring injured from life.

These days if I eff up at work or wherever etc, I think 'I'm going to brush it aside and be relentlessly upbeat just to piss people off'.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:11 (twenty years ago)

Caitlin - the Citizens Advice Bureau have a debt management service. If you make an appointment to go and see them, they will probably be able to sit down with you and explain/fill out all the forms and speak to the council for you.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Frankly, I think the exemptness is sorted out now. The main problem is the left-over £2000-£3000 that I didn't pay when I *was* liable, because I just didn't have the money.

The big problem is that Edinburgh City Council are absolutely terrible. They never reply to mail, or even acknowledge receipt of it. Their published phone numbers go to a call centre in Northampton. I didn't claim all the benefits and discounts I deserved, partly because when I did try it would take so long, responses would be so slow, and there was so much paperwork to try to sort out and supply them that it became effectively impossible for me to cope with.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:15 (twenty years ago)

And, as I'm living 250 miles away now, I can't just go in and try to speak to someone. I don't even know who to call to find out how much I *do* owe. I really wish I could just give up and let my head slip below the water, because it would be much simpler that having to try to cope with all this.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago)

I would second what you said about Edinburgh City Council, they're useless, they took months to sort out my council tax discount. I wouldn't worry about being taken to court - the PF's office are useless ( i know cos i have to deal with them every day).

logged out, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Revenuesbenefits@edinburgh.gov.uk

email them and ask

C J (C J), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Also, have you considered registering for working tax credit? You may be entitled if you have a lower income. http://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/

PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:34 (twenty years ago)

Scottish Power did manage to have a court hearing about me, to get an order to disconnect my electricity; however, the hearing was in Glasgow. That's nice: if you want to cut someone's electricity off because they're not paying their bills, you hold a hearing forty fucking miles away.

In the end, when the chap turned up to disconnect my supply I talked my way out of it: I pointed out that as I was moving out of the flat and closing the account at the end of that week (which I was), there wasn't much point disconnecting the electricity.

I got a solicitors' letter from them yesterday - they do at least know my address - about the money I still owe them; but it's only £400 or so. I *could* just pay that off right away, as it's just passed payday, but I'm pissed at them sending me a solicitors' letter when a week earlier I'd phoned them up and they'd agreed I could just pay £100 a month towards it.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:59 (twenty years ago)

The solicitors' letter could have been in the pipeline before you spke to them agreeing the £100 a month. Send Scottish Power £100 with a letter saying that this was the arrangement you had made, and send a photocopy of it to the solicitors.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago)

No; it was dated exactly a week after I phoned them.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but they could have sent the instruction to the legal department before you spoke to them, and not had it cancelled after your conversation. You know how places like councils work.... they're like the mills of God, they grind exceeding slow.

C J (C J), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago)

CJ was probably OTM further upthread, though: even if I had money, I'd still be unhappy. Given that my life is going nowhere, and is never likely to, then thinking about it rationally there really isn't much point it carrying on. Staying alive and caring about myself would be the irrational behaviour, in my current circumstances.

(i don't normally open up like this on ILE, but it's how I often feel. I don't see myself living to the age of 30 unless things radically change for me)

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago)

When I spoke to them over the phone, I also made a payment then. When the solicitors' demand came, the amount mentioned took account of that payment. So, it was unlikely to be an instruction sent before I phoned them.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago)

Carry on as per your agreement, and just send them £100 next month. You can drag these things out indefinitely, if you want to.

What would make you happy, Caitlin?

C J (C J), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Oh for heaven's sake Caitlin, these are dopey call centre no-marks who dispatch letters by computer. Nothing works, it's all a mess, and therefore you shouldn't worry about it, nor about the dodgy struck-off solicitors who oversee such doings.

Your life will only go somewhere if you want it to.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Lots of things that are probably never going to happen, and that I'm not entirely sure I want talked about on ILX anyway.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Only if you don't want them to happen. Double-bold and underline that "probably."

Suicide is the boring option. It's like reading the first half of a book and then throwing it away. You'll never know what happened in the second half. I can't imagine your parents would be too thrilled either.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago)

CJ was probably OTM further upthread, though: even if I had money, I'd still be unhappy

Once you've got the money sorted, you'd probably feel very different if you move out from your parents.

Mine cast a long depressing shadow over me when I lived at home.

Crabbed age and youth cannot live together;
Youth is full of pleasance, age is full of care;

Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago)

I do, feel that way, again, today.

the bluefox, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago)


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