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Americans, which country will you be trying to emigrate to?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:17 (twenty years ago)

Nonsense. I'm staying right here.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:18 (twenty years ago)

i'm staying, too. but i may choose a new specialty to earn a living.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:20 (twenty years ago)

Actually, more seriously do you think there will be much of a flow out of the country post, this election?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:23 (twenty years ago)

no ... where can people go?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:24 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't qualify under immigration rules for most nations. Somehow people without college degrees or real technical skills and no money aren't welcome in Canada/England/Mongolia.

xpost - no. Costs/difficult of moving, too few Americs speak a second language to go to anywhere but England/Canada, family ties.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:24 (twenty years ago)

I would be astounded if there were. Do you not remember what happened over here in 92, Ed?

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:25 (twenty years ago)

Western Europe will have your teachers, doctors and nurses no problems.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:25 (twenty years ago)

No, I don't, and I think you don't have a good handle on America (or the world in general-----xpost milo otm) if you think there will be.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:26 (twenty years ago)

I mean yeah, Bush sucks, but the lives of most Americans aren't affected enough by who sits in the Oval Office to prompt them to emigrate.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:27 (twenty years ago)

I mean yeah, Bush sucks, but the lives of most Americans aren't affected enough by who sits in the Oval Office to prompt them to emigrate.

till their kids get sent to iraq ...

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:28 (twenty years ago)

still, i don't get this country any more.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:28 (twenty years ago)

You're implying Bush will reinstate the draft, right? Never going to happen.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:32 (twenty years ago)

Even if he did, just be a CO. Thats what people did in days gone by. So you go to jail for a bit, so what. They wont chuck a hundred thou in jail if they all object.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:33 (twenty years ago)

Oops OTM, sadly. If I only wanted to look at the affect on me, the worst that I could say is that my chances of getting health insurance are hurt (which was fucking unlikely with Kerry anyway). Kerry wasn't going to stop rising tuition costs, Kerry wasn't going to magically fix the economy.

All the things that Bush has fucked up - the war, job losses, screwing the least-off among us, are things that (for the majority of Americans) happen to other people. Americans again don't seem to care what happens to other people - if the poor get screwed the poor get screwed, if working-class kids keep dying in Iraq or Syria they keepy dying, and dead non-Americans certainly don't count.

(and yes I hope I'm eating crow as Kerry pulls it out, but I don't see how it could possibly happen)

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:34 (twenty years ago)

That's what I'm saying: there would be riots. Never going to happen.
If you're a CO, you don't go to jail. Jail is for, um, unconscientious objecters.
xpost to trayce

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:36 (twenty years ago)

still, i don't get this country any more.
What confuses me is that I've felt this way for years. Most of my life, even. That people are only feeling this way tonight seems bizarre.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:37 (twenty years ago)

Worse than riots (for Bush), a draft in the near-future would kill the GOP at the midterms. Maybe that would wake the youth vote up.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:38 (twenty years ago)

If you're a CO, you don't go to jail. Jail is for, um, unconscientious objecters.

Eh? Lowell did jail time in the 50s for being a CO. Has that changed?

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:40 (twenty years ago)

There's a military classification for conscientous objectors, I think. You get assigned to non-combat duty in the states, that sort of thing. The COs who refuse to be part of the apparatus at all go to prison.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago)

Maybe he didn't have any documented history to his objections? I dunno. My mommy always told me that I should formally write down my convictions against going to war. Have it signed, dated, witnessed, all that. If I did so, Uncle Sam couldn't put me in a cell. Surely Mommy wasn't wrong, was she?!

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago)

Ah, I see.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago)

xpost: see I didnt know what constituted CO. I thought if you had any kind of moral objection, you said so when drafted and that was it. I wouldnt know.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:46 (twenty years ago)

(I keep reading CO as 'commanding officer,' one of my dad's ranks in the Navy. Makes for an amusing switch!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:49 (twenty years ago)

that's how I read it at first - I was about to post "it's not that easy!" and realized what it meant.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm starting an Americans Relocation Programme to get my family and my friends back here.

Is it true that the campaign cost £2billion? How many Americans would that buy health care for? I feel sick to my stomach.

What can I do with my Green Card? I'm serious. Should I turn it in at the US Embassy, mail it back to the INS or what?

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Burn it in public.

― Leon in Exile (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:02 (twenty years ago)

What, should I go to Speakers Corner and burn my Green Card? I always wanted to have a rant on Speakers Corner. I jsut need a soap box...

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Fly to the US and burn it there. Or do it in front of the US embassy. Way more dramatic.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:09 (twenty years ago)

I suspect I'll be arrested if I burn it in front of the US Embassy.

I'd rather just go and turn it in quite politely, and say "Thanks, I won't be needing this any more."

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:10 (twenty years ago)

At least you could organize a group burning with the other disappointed green card holders in the UK. There must be some...

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago)

you can give it to me

― *@*.* (gareth), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago)

You'd have get some tit job to use it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:14 (twenty years ago)

I don't know any other green card holders, fullstop.

Legally you kinda have to stay in the US if you have a Green Card. I'm not even really supposed to be here.

x-post...

*@*, if you're a 30-something, 5'8" blonde haired green eyed female with mismatched ears, you can have it! You have to provide your own thumbprint, though.

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:15 (twenty years ago)

I mean, maybe I'll keep it just coz it's got all kinds of creepy biometric data on it. But still...

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:15 (twenty years ago)

"mismatched ears" ???

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago)

I'll be staying in London for the time being - going to apply for citizenship here next year. I was going to do this anyway, but now feel much more motivated to get it done.

― marianna, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago)

oops just make sure you have a documented history of mental illness!

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, you do know that they track you by your earprint on Green Cards, right?

I'm not making this up. Apparently it's as reliable as a fingerprint, no two peoples' ears are alike. Of course, it doesn't help that the two of my own ears are as different as two different people's.

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

what do you reckon it would take bush to do to get some european countries to allow being american and gay grounds for asylum?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

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