Nobody's leaving the US. Nobody's assasinating Bush. No one's building a spaceship.

Mind you, ours werent at risk of being "fixed". Still.

...says the Republican voter.

ps i'm not a Republican

You and kineticfactory both.... so, you dont want to stay here and make this (ie our) county better? I think leaving percieved bad government is a copout, and I'm very left wing. Stay and fight dudes, STAY AND FIGHT FFS.

PS it is no better anywhere else anyway.

I make grassroots changes by talking to people around me. Ranting on the internet does fuck all and less.

xpost: yeah and they have taxes way higher than we do, and they're in the middle of nowhere. No thanks.

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When the sun comes back and the first quail calls,
Follow the drinking gourd,
For the old man is awaiting for to carry you to freedom
If you follow the drinking gourd.

The riverbank makes a very good road,
The dead trees will show you the way,
Left foot, peg foot traveling on,
Following the drinking gourd.

The river ends between two hills,
Follow the drinking gourd,
There's another river on the other side,
Follow the drinking gourd.

Where the great big river meets the little river,
Follow the drinking gourd,
The old man is awaiting for to carry you to freedom
If you follow the drinking gourd

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When the sun comes back and the first quail calls,
Follow the drinking gourd,
For the old man is awaiting for to carry you to freedom
If you follow the drinking gourd.

The riverbank makes a very good road,
The dead trees will show you the way,
Left foot, peg foot traveling on,
Following the drinking gourd.

The river ends between two hills,
Follow the drinking gourd,
There's another river on the other side,
Follow the drinking gourd.

Where the great big river meets the little river,
Follow the drinking gourd,
The old man is awaiting for to carry you to freedom
If you follow the drinking gourd

http://www.nps.gov/boaf/urrmap.gif

The Gourds

gourd: that's what it was, a gourd. We got in.
We simply scrambled through a gash in its side
and were in.
Pale yellow it was, very cool and fresh
after the snake swamps.
We had had enough of snakes too -
fifty yards of snake is not for lingering.
But here in the gourd
it was so delicious we made camp,
dried out, rolled a few cigarettes,
opened a tin or two, then slept.
We woke to the sound of our two sentries
being crunched by a sort of Hercules beetle,
too hard for us to attack. We fled
with a handful of stores and clothes out of the gourd
into a gourd about a mile high like
ten Albert Halls - Christ! We
cowered there like so many ticks,
wondering what sort of snakes -
Idly, a vast boa crushed the gourd.
As we spilled out, it was like looking up
into a knot of solid waterspouts, swaying
from the swamp floor to the sky of the next dim gourd.
We floundered, cursing. Something whizzed into my eye.
I fished it out, rubbed the speck between my fingers -
hard, smoothish, slightly ribbed it seemed.
I stared at it, the others - what was left of us -
crowded round. Look, I said. Feel it.
And it felt just like that old

Edwin Morgan

The concern is appreciated, but I think most Americans will be OK for another Bush term, leaving aside the small percentage of the population in the military and the even smaller percentage who will probably get killed in (mostly blue-state) terrorist attacks in the next four year. We won't prosper or anything, and we'll have to put up with some protracted battles over Social Security and our tax system and abortion and the Bible and assorted other bothersome things, but we're still going to mostly be OK. We have an asshole idiot government, but we're not, like, in Zimbabwe or something. If you want to be concerned, be concerned about Zimbabwe. They need it more.

i'm in LIBERAL ILLINOIS

I might MARRY MY DOG

massachusetts on the other hand...

fuck, i don't even know who my country is!!!

i know that i am not moving, we have great universities here in america, but i am quite upset with the way our country is heading.

But perhaps GWB for four more years is the last thing the Republican Party needs in the long-term.

You can now imagine my despair and confusion for the past few years.

i'm interested in what's happening to American Patriotism now (and British, but to a lesser extent, and also in general!)

you're probably right. people have been kind of adamant though, and it's awfully literal as an expression of exasperation.

it also seems really stupid to me.

my home, my family, my friends, etc. are not so abstract, and they're here. most of them anyway.

sort of trivialize the really strong reasons certain others might have to leave.

i hope those certain others would move soon.

I'm going to write a book on this strategy.

xpost

I am sad right now.

I'd like more solid numbers, but it appears the lead is insurmountable.

I've come to the conclusion that in the voting electorate, there are 10% hardcore conservatives, 15% people who justifiably don't pay much attention and probably believe talking points because they are repeated so much, and 26% who are a grade-A first class morons too stupid to live without being hooked up to oxygen and being fed through a tube.

Using gay marriage / civil unions as a wedge issue and appealing to these voters seems to have worked. Soft bigotry.

I voted for Kerry not anyone remotely resembling Debs.

but i see your point too. so please let's not anyone fight about other people's intentions.

to echo a point other people have said, please sit down and shut up, no one's moving anywhere.

you're going to stay here, and help me fight, and help me build. there's a lot that needs to be done in 2 years, and i'm gonna need your assist.

* = I'm using the Royal "We" in this case.

i thought he qualified his screed by admitting that he understood an urge to flee in that event. i think his problem is w/ ppl who are talking the talk or doing the deed but ARENT particularly personally impacted. at least, i hope so. and if that's NOT the motivation what the hell is? i think he's right; if the most harm the bush re-election brings you is a general feeling of malaise, toughen the fuck up and think about WHY and what your jumping ship is going to do to alleviate that.

do we seriously think a draft is a possibility?

Actually Roger, the only reason I'm here is the absence of a serious offer. I *would* marry someone in Canada, Mexico or South America, France, Ireland, Australia, or the UK to get out of here.

I've actually thought about it very carefully. It's been "4 more years" since high school. I remember Nixon and Viet Nam for God's sake. I'm 40. I'm not 20. Won't be fooled again etc etc etc. There is no viable civil rights movement, times are different. If some one came and offered me a job working in a civil rights organization, even that would be useless because effective social movement organizations become targets for the Patriot Act and internal disruption by infiltrators. Our history argues against success. Young people are conservative so far as I can tell from teaching college.

If I'm here in four years, it will be because there was no way to get out, not because this was just gesturing.

In his favor, he's fluent in German and has worked/lived there before. Anyway, like I said - this is the sixth person I know who's packing up and leaving (three have moved to Canada, two to Mexico).

Don't know what to make of this... And of everyone who's left, I'm probably the most politically-minded/mindful of things like this.

No.

Aye. I mention it only out of yup/heh/social mileage marker interest. Personally, I'm more interested in trying to make things better first - and if that doesn't work, then I'll split.

that said, i got the fuck out