Actually, the american people seem to hate their own freedom

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Probably moreso than any terrorists do.

― obviously, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:58 (twenty years ago)

Any existentialist philosopher could tell you that.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:00 (twenty years ago)

just 51% of us

― From a Land of ass Without wipe (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:01 (twenty years ago)

US freedom's a bit of a red herring anyway.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:01 (twenty years ago)

We all crave the nothingness but haven't the will to bring it about ourselves!

So instead we just vote for someone who will do it for us. It's like a suicide proxy.

― obviously, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:09 (twenty years ago)

I guess 51% of americans hate freedom enough to ruin it for everyone, though.

That's a whole lot of freedom hating.

― obviously, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah

― Fuck America in the Asshole With a Big Rubber Dick (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:11 (twenty years ago)

Freedom fearing, more like. Clinging on to nurse for fear of something worse.

Could there, however, conceivably be anything worse?

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:11 (twenty years ago)

No, 51% of Americans just have a different idea of what freedom is than the other 49% who, ostensibly, know better.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:12 (twenty years ago)

Their idea being "Freedom from" as opposed to "freedom to."

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:13 (twenty years ago)

just a shame many of the 49% are more likely to be blown up by terrrrrrists because of where they live. thanks, 51%.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:14 (twenty years ago)

Wouldn't it be nice if there were a system that coddled them and allowed the rest of us who care to have our own way?

― obviously, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:14 (twenty years ago)

um, a reminder that we are always going to under a slight chance of being blown up by terrorists, even if Kerry wins.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:17 (twenty years ago)

True, but the rest of the world wouldn't point and laugh and say "I told you so!" if Kerry won.

― obviously, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:18 (twenty years ago)

of course i dont really believe in this but....

is it time for the intellegent sections of this country to secede from the rural south?

― todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:18 (twenty years ago)

...as if we Brits are going to kick Blair out in February...at least you had an alternative. What have we got? Michael sodding Howard??

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:19 (twenty years ago)

i'm really depressed right now. what the hell are people thinking over there? it's like another planet. i almost feel like crying, but instead i'll say:

hillary for president 2008!

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:19 (twenty years ago)

it's because 51% of us are braindead Christians. According to the TeeVee, most of the Bush voters admire his "moral beliefs".

― From a Land of Church Without God (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:20 (twenty years ago)

SSP, Marcello! If you're Scottish - though that won't be for a while...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:20 (twenty years ago)

it time for the intellegent sections of this country to secede from the rural south?

yes. start in dc, work your way up the coast to maine, come around across the top of the country and down the west coast. we'll be the delicious pie crust of freedom.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:21 (twenty years ago)

not just the rural south
but the rural southwest
the rural midwest
and the rural everywhere with a low population density.

So basically just the two coasts and like chicago/minneapolis.

Fuck populism, rural areas are part of the fucking problem with this country. This is where subsidizing suburban growth comes back to bite the country in the ass (well, until gas prices top $4.00 or even $5.00 a gallon and none of those douches can drive to work).

― obviously, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:22 (twenty years ago)

Which is a possibility, obviously.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/041103/markets_oil_3.html

Reuters
Oil Jumps Over $50
Wednesday November 3, 3:54 am ET
By Jonathan Leff

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Oil prices spiked up above $50 a barrel on Wednesday as signs of an electoral victory for President Bush raised the prospect of continued high U.S. demand and Middle East supply anxiety.

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:24 (twenty years ago)

hmm. is there oil inside democrats?

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:25 (twenty years ago)

but i suppose we need these parts for our food, but i could deal with paying higher prices for food if we didnt have to deal with these rural areas. although with nafta, we could get the best of both worlds!

― todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:25 (twenty years ago)

the only consolation to me now available is that Michael moore may be struck dumb and incapable of appearing on tv in the shock of it all.

We have a spare room, america can stay in there if it wants

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:33 (twenty years ago)

i think i'd rather have Moore doing a jig than those other fuckers

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:34 (twenty years ago)

I'd definitely vote SSP if they were standing in Hampstead at the next election...might give Glenda a run for her money.

Actually I'll stand for the SSP in Hampstead if you like. Anyone got Tommy Sheridan's email?

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:43 (twenty years ago)

A good friend of mine once claimed he would be most accurately described as a 'Whig'.

r.e. Michael sodding Howard;

But Britain is a three-party system, albeit, yes, one in which the electoral map favours the main two parties. I would expect a large surge in the Liberal Democrat vote next time, possibly enough to really put the election after that in play.

Blair of course has to be taken over Howard... But, voting in Sunderland, say, as I will be: is it really going to be voting Labour out of office to vote Lib Dem, in a FPTP system? I increasingly think there should be PR in both Britain and America; would stop this unhealthy campaign fixation on "swing states" or "knife-edge constituencies" and all. And focus candidates on winning over individual votes.

― Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago)

But apparantly enough americans are stupid enough to vote bush into a popular majority as well.

― obviously, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Their idea being "Freedom from" as opposed to "freedom to."

-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), November 3rd, 2004.

everyone's idea of "freedom" involves both of these concepts

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago)

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