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Obviously, I am a very, very happy girl today! Kerry has conceded and Bush got over 50 percent of the electoral vote. I think that is pretty conclusive. For those of you who are talking about leaving the country, well such is your perogative, we live in a free democratic country, you are perfectly free to leave and I think that is an honorable enough thing to do if you no longer feel comfortable living in a country where Bush has a majority. For the rest of you, I think it is now time to put the election behind you, accept that Bush has been reelected and realize that your duty is to support your president and your country in these difficult times. And then in another four years, you will have another shot at getting your man in. But for the moment our commander-in-chief is George W. Bush and as patriotic Americans, you should get behind him.

― logged off, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Nope.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Why are you logged off?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago)

It is a free country after all.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago)

if "get behind him" means fuck him in the ass with a hornet nest, i'm so there

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago)

That's asinine, though. The entire point of this country is founded on the idea that dissent is okay; I wouldn't expect Republicans to shut up and toe the line if Kerry had won, so why should Democrats?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:35 (twenty years ago)

It is the duty of the opposition to oppose. The weakest part of the US government is the lack of a government in opposition.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Your "duty" as a citizen is to pay taxes, stay informed on the issues and voice your opinion, not to follow whomever the President is.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago)

otm

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago)

haha fuck you logged out (coward) and the SELFISH, IGNORANT, ABUSIVE way you have chosen for you and your fellow countrymen to be treated. One day you'll feel very very sorry for yourself. I hate you so much.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago)

There's no need for that.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Why do you hate women, logged off?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago)

in another four years, you will have another shot at getting your man in

Hillary is not a man.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

I can't think of any female American ILXors who would post this.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

If I meet logged off I'll kick her in the face for destroying the planet. The fucking bitch.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Are things really so hostile here that you have to log out? I think we're better than that. (but then, I thought that of the US electorate a little more than 12 hours ago).

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

URGE TO SPAM THREAD BEYOND SALVATION REACHING CRITICAL MASS

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Seriously Mark, chill out.

(Also, surely it's transparent as to who started this thread, isn't it? There's no need for vitriol.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

I have no truck with anything in your statement, except for:

Bush has been reelected and realize that your duty is to support your president and your country in these difficult times.

which strikes me as ridiculous;
which strikes me as willful baiting;
which strikes me as which strikes me as disingenuous;
which strikes me as an intentional jab in eye to 45% of the country to the 48% who didn't vote for bush

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

(sorry if I just proved your point there Kevin but I'm taking this very, very personally)

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

(hahaha Kevin, that's possibly the greatest xpost ever)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

You ought to log in and stand behind what you say. And I agree to some extent. I think it would be best for people to stop bitching (after a few days of therapeutic bitching.) We still need to question the president's decisions, because they are inherently misguided, if not downright ill-intentioned. But it would be healthy for us to accept that what's done is done (wrt election, Iraq, economy, education, etc) and see what we can do about moving forward & repairing the damage.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

TS: Markelby kicking logged off in the face vs. America kicking Iran in the face.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago)

your duty is to support your president and your country in these difficult times.

Yeah, WTF?!?!?

These "difficult times" are precisely why we shouldn't be supporting the president blindly. Also, supporting "my country" also means supporting the 55 million people who voted for Kerry.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago)

surely it's transparent as to who started this thread, isn't it?

It is? I don't know any female ilxors who support Bush. Dee voted for Kerry this time, God bless her.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Did she? Wow. Good on her.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago)

No, Mark you didn't - my point was that we can have a sensible discussion: pre-empting aggression inspires aggression, another lesson aplicable to the election.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago)

She did????? I completely missed that!

Okay, then I don't know who this is.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago)

My "patriotism" died when they passed the patriot act.

The war in Iraq was the final nail in its coffin.

― trigonalmayhem, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago)

why are people responding?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago)

I think I have a pretty good idea. At least, it wouldn't surprise me.

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Sorry - that was probably lost in the mass of last night's mammoth threads, but yes, she did. If you'd been reading her posts for a while, you'd see her disenchantment with the state of the Republican party had been growing.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago)

All right then, this must be yet another Roger thread. (KIDDING)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago)

logged off because of hateful bigots like markelby who would hound me if he knew who I was. I am not suggesting no dissent. But we are in the middle of fighting a war and I think it is time to come together as a country and support our leader. In a football game, you may doubt your captain, you may express your disagreement with him, you may quit the team, but if you don\\\'t quit the team, when it comes to playing the match everyone has to play together and accept leadership.

― logged off, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago)

why are people responding?

Well, I for one would love to understand the mentality of all those Bush-voters, and if it's an ilx0r that's a good place to start at least.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago)

what about hitler? (xpost)

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago)

I don't blame this guy for being logged out, I mean just look upthread.

Considering what I've seen from the normally logged on Bush supporters who post here I'm surprised at the refrain used in the original question.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Some of us like to think of the world in less black and white terms than a football game.

After all, no one actually dies in football games, do they?

― Two-Headed Zombie With No Face (kate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Logged off, you're only digging yourself deeper.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago)

No, logged off, you're the hateful bigot, you've already proved it. See me as some kind of moral policeman with a grudge.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago)

otm, kate.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago)

That took some guts, Dee!!

logged off: what war are we in the middle of fighting? did i miss so,ething?? i thought iraq was basically starting to work out these days, according to the Administration. is there so,ething i don't know about?

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago)

You know, it would be a lot easier for the American left to follow the President if he would admit to mistakes every once in awhile.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago)

But we are in the middle of fighting a war and I think it is time to come together as a country and support our leader. In a football game, you may doubt your captain, you may express your disagreement with him, you may quit the team, but if you don\\\'t quit the team, when it comes to playing the match everyone has to play together and accept leadership

What utter tripe. Just becuase it's a war it must be morally ripe so all americans shuld blindly support and obey. What a fucking load of crap.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago)

After all, no one actually dies in football games, do they?

actually yes sometimes they do sadly, but never mind

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Oh Mark, leave it be. 60 million others voted for Bush too. There's no need to personalise it.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago)

and no American says "match" when it comes to football

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago)

i've got two close friends who are bush voters...and many aquaintances that are bush voters and they've all stated their case to me for the past year. two of my blue collar friends voted for bush, when asked why, the response was "well he's gung ho and they are all liars anyways". Great answer guys.

― Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago)

people's responses to this thread seems more telling than logged out's input.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Does the thread originator still want the Red Sox to die?

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 452 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

I was sure it was a word, but then I got the fear...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 5 November 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago)

Momus, France getting a far right leader who happesn to be jewish doesn't really cheer me up any more than the USA getting a republican president who's black would.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Sarkozy will almost certainly be the next French president, since the socialists are so divided and generally useless. But I don't think he'll be able to change the law on secularity. I don't think he's a Jew btw. He may have some Jewish blood but he's in no way a converted Jew.

An article in Le Canard enchaîné says Sarkozy has a Hungarian father and that his mother is the daughter of a Jewish immigrant from Salonica. The article doesn't say whether his grandmother is Jewish, which would make him Jewish under Talmudic law.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago)

A google search reveals that his grandfather was Jewish. So Jewish blood but not technically a Jew. I doubt if that's got much to do with his born-again Catholicism, though, which is just an attempt to grab the Catholic vote which is generally divided between various right-wing parties, including the National Front. Nothing has been made of his "Jewishness" (compared with Jospin, when the press was continually harping on about his Protestantism). Anti-semitism in France these days largely comes from the Maghreb population, who wouldn't be voting for Sarkozy anyway.

― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Friday, 5 November 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Never mind all that, a president running on the Anti-American ticket would walk it

― Soon Over Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 5 November 2004 16:54 (twenty years ago)

the difference between Bushes I and II is that between negligence and intent

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago)

I think you're wrong, gabbneb. Bush I, as a person, was just as bad as Bush II, and maybe worse. Bush II just has more evil resources at his disposal.

― J (Jay), Friday, 5 November 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago)

90s 00s

US as 'The Universal' US as 'The Other'
Peace War
Urban Rural
Information Prayer
Intelligent irony Moronic authenticity
Electronic baroque Fake Folk
Surplus Deficit
Centre Right
Gulf war 'never happened' Gulf War never stopped
Selling things Killing people
Globalism Imperialism
Blow jobs Blowing self up
'Irrational exuberance' Irrational terror
Tort Law Torture
Dot commers Bible bashers
Austin Powers Naked power
Cocaine Anthrax
Invention Religion
Lara Croft John Ashcroft
Tomb Raider Grave Maker
Tomahawk and Cruise United and Delta
Reviving the 1970s Reviving the 1670s
Lump in presidential pants Lump on presidential back
Ken Starr v. lax morals Bin Laden v. lax morals
Stereolab Mobile chemical weapons labs
Camp Camp Bravo
Internet Internets
Disintermediation Misunderestimation
Coders Soldiers
Boffins Coffins

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Intelligent irony Moronic authenticity

This is almost a Prodigy lyric circa 1996.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 November 2004 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Austin Powers / AUSTIN HAS TEH POWER

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 5 November 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Tomb Raider is not American

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 5 November 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but you have to remember that in the 90s, America was 'The Universal'. Anybody could be part of it, even Stereolab and Mike Myers. Now, even to itself, America is 'The Other'. You can only be American if you're an evangelical preacher living in rural Alabama in a log cabin, making nail bombs for the abortion clinics and a crucifix for the homosexuals.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Um.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 November 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago)

You were funnier with the Day After Tomorrow comments.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 November 2004 21:44 (twenty years ago)

By the way, the facts are in on this whole 'Republicans are stupid' thing. Alex in NY is owed an apology.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago)

I like how you apparently forgot the bit at the bottom:

The IQ numbers were originally attributed to the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations", though they do not appear in the current edition. The tests and data were administered via the Raven's APT, and the The Test Agency, one of the UK's leading publishers and distributors of psychometric tests. This data has been published in the Economist and the St. Petersburg Times, though this does not mean it should be taken as fact. Though the data does correlate somewhat to IQ of students per state based on SAT/ACT data, though this would be biased for those that had completed a high school education. Someone has also taken 2000 census data on percentage of state residents that have earned a college degree and used that to compare the voting in the 2000 election, it seems to correlate well. Someone sent me a table showing average income per state, and how they voted as well.

Some people have written me saying that this is a hoax, I am unsure if it is, someone did a list like this in the 2000 election, I found it interesting, but moreso this time, as people knew exactly what they were getting into. My powers of fact checking dwindle in the face of such pillars of journalistic integrity as the Economist and St. Petersburg Times. Needless to say, as I stated above, the data is in question, but it's still an interesting correlation that is very plausible. This wasn't posted as an elitest diatribe, as i said, I just found it interesting.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 November 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago)

I linked to the whole page, Red Nabbitt.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago)

oh boy binaries

momus last week / momus this week

this rolling stone article heralds the mainstream american acceptance of postmodern discourse / stereolab mobile chemical weapons labs

aesthetic distgust / eugenics

― m. (mitchlnw), Friday, 5 November 2004 21:58 (twenty years ago)

I linked to the whole page, Red Nabbitt.

The concept of 'caveats' escapes you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Eugenics = Nazis mentioned = Godwin's Law = Thread over!

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago)

i thought momus's post was clever & funny!

― John (jdahlem), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Thread extended for that one post, then over!

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago)

I'll grant you funny.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago)

What's Momus' IQ?

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes? Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.

Don't look now but there's one man too many in this room and i think it's you. I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago)

ARGH now I'm going to be annoyed because I think that's a quote and I can't place it.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago)

What's Momus' IQ?

Since artificial intelligence is the best source of information about intelligence, I asked an AI program called Azile. The conversation went like this:

Tell me if my IQ is high or low?
DO YOU WISH THAT YOUR IQ IS HIGH OR LOW?
I wish it is high.
DO YOU THINK I CARE THAT YOU WISH IT IS HIGH?
No.
WELL, WHY NOT, FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE?
Why don’t I think you care that I wish that my IQ is high?
DO YOU REALLY THINK SO, MOMUS? WELL BIG DEAL.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago)

But what does Eliza say?

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago)

You should have asked Kathy McGinty!

"Do I have a high IQ?"
"MY BEAVER HAS TUSKS"

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago)

I have Azile, here's what mine said:

Tell me if my IQ is high or low?
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOUR IQ IS HIGH OR LOW?
Well, I don't know until you tell me
OH, YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL I TELL YOU! WHY NOT?
I don't think I would do anything special either way.
YOU DO TOO THINK YOU WOULD DO ANYTHING SPECIAL EITHER WAY.
ok then
JUST OKAY?
sure
SURE?
yes
MANY GEEKS HAVE MILD INSOMNIA.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago)

Have you ever noticed that Azile ends with ILE, and that both are ways to generate insults?

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago)

good point.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Have you ever noticed that Azile ends with ILE, and that both are ways to generate insults?
HEY, YOU HAVE SOME MAJOR PROBLEMOES, DUDE. DO US BOTH A FAVOR AND SEE A SHRINK.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago)

"MY BEAVER HAS TUSKS"

I think this sums the events of the last week up quite nicely.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago)

Have you ever noticed that Azile ends with ILE, and that both are ways to generate insults?
I HAVE A DUMB BROTHER NAMED ELIZA.
I think Momus' Azile is a bit meaner than you
MY NAME HAS A NICE RING TO IT, DON'T YOU THINK?
It sounds like a reptile of some sort.
WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH YOUR TRUE FEELINGS ON YOUR OWN TIME, YOU INDECENT BALL OF MALIGNANT UNDERWEAR.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:36 (twenty years ago)

Azile = Alex in NYC?

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Why did George Bush win the election, Azile?
WHAT FEELINGS DO YOU HAVE WHEN YOU ASK THAT, SHIT HEAD?
I feel very sad and angry, because urban liberals have effectively been disenfranchised, perhaps for years.
WHAT OTHER MINDLESS REASONS MIGHT THERE BE?
Mindlessness itself seems like a likely reason, but there are some for whom to the mindless must remain nameless.
HOW MANY ARE THERE?
The name of the mindless is ‘Legion’.
WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE NICK NAME? THIS OUGHT TO BE GOOD.
My favourite nickname for Bush is ‘cunt’.
LET'S NOT BE NARROW MINDED.
What about narrow eyed, narrow and beady?
WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME THAT, MOMUS?
Because Bush has narrow beady eyes.
LET'S EXPLORE SOME OTHER POSSIBLE MOTIVES, SHIT HEAD.
Well, he was elected because America has ceased to see itself as ‘the Universal’ and now sees itself as ‘the Other’.
COME ON, THERE MUST BE OTHER REASONS, MOMUS.
He was also elected because the Diebold voting machines were rigged.
DO COMPUTERS THREATEN YOU, MOMUS?
Computers don’t kill, people do.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ME, ASS HOLE?
Put that gun away!

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago)

I used to have the ai program that always tried to get you to cyber. I can't remember what it's called, and it's not in my win95 box0r anymore. I wish it still was now.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's actually a lot better at being ILE than ILE is.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Hahahargh

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 5 November 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago)

ARGH now I'm going to be annoyed because I think that's a quote and I can't place it.
-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...), November 5th, 2004.

I could only imagine it said in a Groucho voice, but that may only be how my brain is wired.

― Pangolino Again, Friday, 5 November 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago)

Groucho it was! You win the cigar! And the funny mustache-glass combo!

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.leolicensing.com/Hinson/Glasses/Mustacheglass.jpg

What, this? Thanks!

― Pangolino Again, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:27 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...

LOOK HOW MUCH BETTER THAN YOU I WAS EVEN BACK THEN
ACTUALLY BELIEVING IN SOMETHING AND HAVING A GENUINE EMOTIONAL RESPONSE IS SO FUCKING PLAYED
SMUG SARCASM IS SO MUCH EASIER
I LOVE SOUTH PARK BECAUSE THEY MAKE FUN OF EVERYONE DON'T THEY AND IF YOU MAKE FUN OF EVERYTHING YOU NEVER HAVE TO TAKE A STAND ON ANYTHING WHICH IS SO MUCH EASIER THAN ACTUALLY TAKING A STAND AND RISKING LOOKING WRONG
I AM NEVER WRONG BECAUSE I ALWAYS MAKE SURE THOSE AROUND ME ALREADY AGREE WITH WHAT I SAY
I ALWAYS TAKE THE UNCONTROVERSIAL EMOTIONALLY NEUTRAL POSITION
IT'S SO MUCH EASIER

― TEH GHOST OF ILXBOT, Saturday, 11 June 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, you!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

THERE'S NO WHERE TO COLLAPSE THE LUNG
BREATHES A DOUBT IN EVERYONE

― kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Saturday, 11 June 2005 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

twelve years pass...

realize that your duty is to support your president and your country in these difficult times

Somehow "logged off" did not conceive that sometimes the duty of supporting your country does not include supporting your president. Strange to say, I am absolutely sure that tens of millions of Bush supporters who made this argument in 2004, renounced this putative duty after Obama beat McCain.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 30 March 2018 19:20 (seven years ago)

I think we can let it go at this point tho.

― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 30 March 2018 21:08 (seven years ago)

very glad that non-military ppl finally seem to have stopped saying "our commander in chief"

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 30 March 2018 22:28 (seven years ago)

under present circumstances, that's much too scary a phrase to contemplate for long

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 30 March 2018 23:24 (seven years ago)

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