This is me bitching about how US policy since the 30s led to the situation we're in today

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Thanks to concerted government policy since the 30s (which really took off in the post-war 50s), cities have been drained of their wealth, which has been used to finance middle class flight to the suburbs and hinterlands (FHA, VA, Federal Interstate Highway System, electrifying farms, etc.). You might notice today that most cities are still bastions of progressive politics amidst seas of retarded neocons. The most rational explanation I can think of for this is that thanks to the cooshy new lifestyle (paid for by city dwellers!) in isolation in their little (big) suburban/rural-bumfuck-middle-of-nowhere home, they no longer had to contend with the real issues of day to day life faced by so many. So instead they got a chance to become idealogical (in many places largely religious) zealots. Now that they've managed to drain so many cities of their former glory to build their little asshat towns that continue to drain resources even today, they somehow feel like it's their right to force their ideologies upon those of us who, unlike them, have to contend with some of the more pressing issues of life that they have so deftly avoided by moving away. By doing so they largely make things worse for us (city-dwellers mostly, but not exclusively) and really no better for themselves. It seems that making their own moral choices is not enough for them, no, they need to make those choices LAW so that no one, no matter what their circumstances of beliefs, can do things.

Thanks to these policies and concerted efforts, these asshats are now apparantly the majority of the voting populace! Check your history books, but I'm pretty sure the population wasn't distrubted as sparsely as it is now back before the 50s and after the industrial revolution. THAT was america's real hey-day.

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:00 (twenty years ago)

FDR is my favourite president.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago)

problem is, LBJ and (possibly) the gores and the john edwards family were also some of those people who benefitted from the New Deal ... and didn't turn into fundie wackos.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:06 (twenty years ago)

I honestly think he had good intentions. Most of policymakers of his day did. They just didn't seem to understand how explosive growth was going to be and that the system they were laying in place was not going to be something that could be kept up.

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:06 (twenty years ago)

yeah, I understand that not everyone does. But if you look at the majority of places where these fundamentalist wackos live, they're just those kind of places.

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago)

What's so inherently great about living in cities?

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago)

inherantly nothing
but most american development outside of cities has been hastily and quite shittily done.
it doesn't provide for a natural community, so people have to find one through things like religion, otherwise they feel so terribly alone in their little suburban home with its big old setback and yard!

Of course, you can't go to the other extreme either and try to plan a community the way the builders of the same era did with housing projects.

Oh, I forgot to mention that the modernist planners of the midcentury were all about seperating people out into neat groups that looked good on paper. They even made zoning codes so that people would only have to (be able to) live around those of similar socioeconomic backgrounds. Is it really any wonder why such a dry homogeniety came about in the middle of the country?

trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago)

So let me get this striaght. You're a redistributionist liberal you just want the money redistributed to people you like? The solution to all this shit is to stop taxing people so much and stop creating huge governments to supply services that don't need to be supplied by the government.

smart guy, Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:35 (twenty years ago)

AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:39 (twenty years ago)

So let me get this striaght. You're a redistributionist liberal you just want the money redistributed to people you like? The solution to all this shit is to stop taxing people so much and stop creating huge governments to supply services that don't need to be supplied by the government.

the saddest thing about this is, that those now in control of ALL THREE BRANCHES of the US government essentially think EXACTLY this way. (and, possibly unlike smart guy, they aren't joking either.)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:41 (twenty years ago)

Not to sideline the incisive argument you bring up, trig (?), but maybe another (perhaps related) sociological factor contributes to the mess we're in is the conformity enforced in our concentration camp like elementary and high schools. Does anyone else feel like the smug rich fuck just won student body president, carrying the wannabe cool kid constituency who identify because they want to party with the smug rich fuck and his smug rich fuck friends? No matter how much the smug rich fucks will pick on them after the election's over, and certainly never invite them to their parties, their hopes for an invitation into the winner's circle always trumps experience. Maybe I'm just delusional. Carry on then.

lysander spooner, Thursday, 4 November 2004 03:48 (twenty years ago)


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