Forget red vs. blue states -- it was more like purple

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(So can we cut with all the state bashing now?)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

what state-bashing?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, time to get down to county bashing!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

That map is pretty cool.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait. I can't continue bashing the states of ignorance, apathy, intolerance and fear?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Gabbneb, nice to see you're on top of things here again.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm intrigued by the pocket of blue along the southern Mississippi.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

water creates lefties?

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not weighted for population density though.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

except utah. fuck utah.

― still bevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm intrigued by the pocket of blue along the southern Mississippi.

Northern too. many of the pockets, or specks, of blue are found in places where people gather together - rivers, coasts, the Fall Line in the South and East, lakes, etc.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

See now - look at Wisconsin. It's like I said, Wisconsin has lots of 'blue people' who don't live in the cities. A lot of it has to do with the history and religious and cultural make-up of the state. There is hope for rural America.

Water = cities, also more awareness / less distrust of government services.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

What are the black parts? No one there or somehting?

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(scuse my Skippy ignorance, heh)

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The black parts are explained in the link:

Counties shown in black represent either missing election data or a mismatch between the US Census data and the USA Today data. For example, the New England states' election return data is given for each municipality and/or district rather than for each county. Hence, it couldn't be easily matched with the county boundaries.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Alternately, they could just be BLACK HOLES OF DOOM. Which if you're a Stephen King fan explains Maine well enough.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

it's the only state for which this is true

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm intrigued by the pocket of blue along the southern Mississippi.

your answer = black people

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

not to undercut ned's point which i think is valid but: that stretch from the texas panhandle to the dakotas is kind of scary. (i've already written off utah/idaho. anyway nobody lives there.)

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the real red places are where the fewest people live - the high plains, Great Basin, and Alaska

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

are those two big blue patches in southern florida = miami???

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

and Fort Lauderdale

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think that's southern Mississippi that's so vibrantly blue. I may be wrong (it's hard to tell without state lines), but I think that's New Orleans.

I still say that Ohio should've known better, but I'll drop it.

Well, I'll drop it by next week.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

there are areas in the mississippi river delta that are very heavily african-american and tend to vote strongly democratic, i think that's where we're seeing some of that "southern blue." but it looks like there are some big blue areas in the hill country too. i'm guessing that's because of the black population too. from what i understand there are only a few majority-white areas left in the south that still go democratic (even in west virginia?? i ask myself).

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah wow the Deep South seems a little more enlightened after all than, say, the fucking Midwest.

― duke before, Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

the Delta region of Mississippi had lotsa Democrat voters! And the "black belt" of southern Alabama had its Democrat voters too (name refers to soil not skin color, but it's heavily African-American). Note Davidson Co. blue in N Middle Tenn., and the county below, Williamson, red (where stockbrokers, antique-store owners and country-music stars live).

In s. Miss., hard to tell from this map if those counties are Adams--Natchez, which always struck me as reactionary--and Wilkinson (Woodville, birthplace of Lester Young in case George W. Bush wants to know). Looks like Hinds Co., Jackson, voted Demo? A bit hard to tell from this map, need to look at the NYTimes map to be sure. And yeah, I think that blue parish is New Orleans...

All in all, a really fascinating, and depressing, map.

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg

― redfez, Friday, 5 November 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

We all in the same gang!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I am a nightmare walking psychopath talking
king of my jungle just a gangster stalking
Living life like a firecracker quick is my fuse
Then dead as a deathpack the colors I choose
red or blue cause a blood it just don't matta

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Something tells me that I won't be laughing during this Purple Reign.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I love these maps!

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, county-by-county color break downs are always awesome.

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://removeradon.com/usazonemap.jpg

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

That map is really beautiful.

― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.100megsfree3.com/banjology/pikecounty.gif

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

here comes your nineteenth district breakdown!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

How come the eastern states have so many more counties than the western ones? Is it solely to do with population size?

― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.rotovibe.com/images/kerrywin.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, that and the reason that for a lot of those large counties out west there's just not much living space as such for people to start with. (By people I mean the Modern Society rather than, y'know, everyone who was already there and living just fine pre-1492.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer didn't forget Poland!

(Actually, shouldn't Uruguay be out? They just elected some leftist government and the previous one was smushed.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't find any pretty maps of the UK. My country has ugly geography.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

poland's in there ned, they're the ones trying to figure out how to shell m&m's (or however that old pope joke went)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost: I didn't make it.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The UK is a very shapely country, I've always thought.

― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but I think it's too small to get nice coloured maps and things. Someone should start a thread for cool\beautiful maps, charts, spectrosciencethingummys and stuff.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

A thread for cool\beautiful maps, charts, spectrosciencethingummys and stuff.

― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the deal with that crazy big county in the middle of Nebraska? You could put four more inside that thing.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

♥ the Pike County Breakdown!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 5 November 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

That is a beautiful map Ned, but it doesn't make me want to be any more conciliatory or even reasonable.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://mena.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/canada20.gif

― Peanuts (Peanuts), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

jesusland was better

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

That big county in Nebraska is called "Cherry County", and it's nearly empty. I wrote a song about it a few days ago.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd love to hear it, even if that county appears to be Cherry Red.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"Mini Willinois"!!!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 5 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

go mini willinois!

― amateur!!st, Friday, 5 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"bush got more counties, but kerry got all of the QUALITY counties"

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 5 November 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush needs to annex Alberta

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Friday, 5 November 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

tell me about alberta!

― amateur!!st, Friday, 5 November 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Cherry County is home to Valentine, Nebraska

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

http://idisk.mac.com/glwebb-public/new_map.jpg

― Soon Over Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

That map is especially depressing if you open it and the 2000 map in different windows and flip between them to animate the changes.

― Steve.n. (sjkirk), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

It's kinda amazing how much http://www.electoral-vote.com/images/counties-2004.gif looks like http://www.electoral-vote.com/images/counties-2000.gif

(x-post! how weird)

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

tell me about alberta!

Lots of oil and cattle. And no, the states can't have them, they make money at the moment.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"bush got more counties, but kerry got all of the QUALITY counties"
-- Eisbär (llamasfu...), November 5th, 2004 11:48 PM. (llamasfur
this comment,and others like it, are going to gaurantee worse in 2008. no one will be convinced to cross sides when they are being attacked and told that they are neither "quality" people nor intelligent. go on if you like, but you are exacerbating the red spread.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah wow the Deep South seems a little more enlightened after all than, say, the fucking Midwest.
I thought the south was Democrat until Goldwater in 60s. Not sure if that means it was enlightened or not.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

this comment,and others like it, are going to gaurantee worse in 2008. no one will be convinced to cross sides when they are being attacked and told that they are neither "quality" people nor intelligent.

Emilymv very much OTM.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

OTM. As evidenced in the blue swath of Eastern Kentucky. These maps are really helpful in planning my red state exodus.

― Dale Panopticalis (cprek), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

In looking at it, the only three states you can 'blame' are Alaska, Nebraska and Oklahoma.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 November 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

the only people we can "blame" are those who agree with us but did not vote. the fault is theirs.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 5 November 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

We can also blame the RAELIANS if we want, because, like, what the shit are THEY gonna do?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 5 November 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

OH NOES HERE COMES TEH ARMY OF CLONES

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 5 November 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn you sir, you are invoking demons.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 November 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't care about no Bush. The Mississippi River is still predominantly BLUE.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i want to understand the low-density blue counties - are there any that are not dominated by indian reservations or an outdoor-recreation-seeking population?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Residents of Blue Sparsely Populated Counties:

- pot growers
- vegan communes
- pacifist grizzly bears

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, i should have specified landlocked counties as well

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Almost every county in which I have ever lived went solid blue. (We lived in Wallace, Idaho for a year. When I was two.)

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The Delta is sparsely populated by the descendants of sharecroppers.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

so can you help me with Idaho? it looks like that blue county is dominated by rich granola types who want to be able to ski and hike the Sawtooths, yes?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

by landlocked, I mean away from major lakes and rivers

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I just saw that, gabbneb. Sorry.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

but it's useful to know that water != density in all cases

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't that blue county where Boise is?

Are those Southern South Dakota counties blue because of Indian reservations?

Gabbneb, have you been to Valentine?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Boise is West of the blue Idaho county, which includes Sun Valley, I think

one of the SOuthern South Dakota blue counties is on the Pine Ridge res, and the other is at least partly on a different one, I think

I've never been to Valentine. I've been near there, on paper.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope, Casu, Boise county is quite red,in fact. That's probably a Native American county.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Unless, Boise is NOT in Boise county... that can happen sometimes.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i've perused a bit and it does look like a few corners of the off-the-reservation plains are turning blue

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

though it's not like this is an area of Dem opportunity - Nebraska was all-red in 2000; it now has one blue county

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Nebraska's still all red. Sure you're not looking at Lawrence, Kansas?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 6 November 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't really expect Boise to be blue.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 6 November 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm looking at Dave Leip's site, which says Kerry won Thurston County, Nebraska

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 6 November 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Thurston County apparently had the lowest turnout of any other county in Nebraska. This site gives the county to Bush.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Saturday, 6 November 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN gives Thurston County to Bush. (And wow, the margin in Cherry County, sigh.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 6 November 2004 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

One person in Cherry County voted for the Green Party candidate, and I would really like to buy that person a sandwich.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 6 November 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

When I read the title of this thread all I want to say is "LIKE THE HEAD OF MY SWOLLEN COCK", but then I remember the crippling whisky dick I have right now.

― Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 6 November 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Come on, if you try a little harder you can work a Cherry County joke into that.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 6 November 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Not without feeling like even less of a man than I do already.

― Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 6 November 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, back to the in-depth political analysis.

― Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 6 November 2004 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush won Nebraska with 66.6% of the vote, I see.

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 6 November 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

map profusion

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 6 November 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

That Fortenberry guy is just awful.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Saturday, 6 November 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the south was Democrat until Goldwater in 60s. Not sure if that means it was enlightened or not.

I think you mean "Dixiecrat." And "enlightened" was not the word.

― j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 6 November 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Guys this is cool:

http://electoral-vote.caida.org/

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

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