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Not that this deserves its own thread nor that anyone should particularly care, but I'm back. While I'm not out to needlessly offend anyone based on my abject disgust with the outcome of this election, I don't think it's particularly honest nor particularly healthy to keep everything bottled up. Moreover, I think anger and depression are entirely reasonable reactions to this event. I'm so tempted to rattle on and on about how I can't fathom this and that if you voted for Bush you're clearly a this-and-that, but I think I've spelled all that out on other threads already. I think it's great how some of you can be so optimistic and are already focussing on the next election, but some of us are still getting over the initial shock before we can see a way forward.

Anyway, back to business as usual. Killing Joke rules and your favorite band sucks.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago)

You're right. My favorite band does kinda suck.

― Kenan (kenan), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Your favorite band is the Dave Matthews Band?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Welcome back - for what it's worth, I don't think you should have taken a break at all (unless you just wanted to).

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago)

(And hi again Alex!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I don't think you should have taken a break at all (unless you just wanted to).

Well, it wasn't just ILX, really. Maybe I'm being histrionic, but I've been really, genuinely inconsolable this past week. Several exceptionally heated "conversations" (read: screaming matches) with my mother (the one, you'll remember, who called to actively gloat about the election's outcome) did not help.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Yeah - I feel like I've been kicked in the balls, and I live in the UK. It's been easier for me bacause I haven't had any arguments with right-wingers here - everyone I meet and know here, right and left, is stunned and upset by Bush's victory.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago)

It really depends on who you talk to (I live here in OC and have only met two people who did so far, but this says more about my social circles than the place I'm at).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Other than it being just plain *wrong* to elect Bush - just on principle, how is having him in office going to affect any of us directly? I don't mean that as rhetorical .. I'm truly wondering what impact people think it will have on them personally/ economically/ health & safety/ ...

― dave225 (Dave225), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago)

You mean you're still thinking about the election, Alex? Man, get with the times.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:56 (twenty years ago)

how is having him in office going to affect any of us directly?

You may not agree with me entirely, but I think someting that happened about fifteen blocks away from me was the direct affect of Bush's failure to recognize a warning when it was handed to him by the then-outgoing administration.

http://www.september-11th.us/firstplane.jpg

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:58 (twenty years ago)

Curtis, dude, you'll be able to assert your democratic privilege next time and you'd better get off your pot-smoking, playstation-abusing arse and vote or... *shakes fist*

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 6 November 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago)

If you pay local/state/city/property/federal taxes you will be affected. If you have a mortgage you will be affected. If you work for any kind of non-profit you will be affected. If you are a woman who could conceivably (ha) get an abortion in the future you will be affected. If you are an illegal or quasi-legal immigrant you will be affected. If you hope to study in the United States you will be affected.

Oh and if you have AIDS in Africa you won't be affected.

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Or America, for that matter!

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago)

If you have a mortgage you will be affected.

Dumb question perhaps but how does this one break down? (I, perhaps happily, have no mortgage.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Alex, Tracer, I didn't mean it to sound like there was no problem - I was asking how it affects YOU (and you and you and you.) Alex's point was well taken, however.

― dave225 (Dave225), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago)

If you have a mortgage you will be affected.

the ones w/ (a) adjustable rate mortgages and (b) large equity loans against their homes.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:17 (twenty years ago)

in the form of higher rates or lower rates?

― dave225 (Dave225), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:18 (twenty years ago)

i'm poor and i'm totally fucked

― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:19 (twenty years ago)

anyway, none of us here are elected officials. this board can be a place to vent our frustrations over the next 2-4 years, as well as record our elation at the (likely very) occasional burst of sunshine in the murk that will be bushco part II. this doesn't mean that venting is a viable political strategy for defeating bushco, or that we should vent IRL. but, again, this isn't capitol hill!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 6 November 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago)

if you drive to work, you will be affected!

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Saturday, 6 November 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago)

I first went through this when Nixon was re-elected with an overwhelming majority. You don't 'get over' something like this, in the sense that you ever change your feelings about it. Those feelings remain; what changes over time is their relevance to the moment you live in.

However, you can't sit around and hope for a better yesterday (at least not sensibly), so you may as well find some way forward under the new regime. With any luck, Bush will have his Watergate and you will feel some slight sense of justice done and retrospective vindication. Even with Nixon's resignation in disgrace, believe me, that feeling of vindication was scant repayment for living under the bastard for so many years.

― Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 6 November 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago)

not to mention .. President Cheney.

― dave225 (Dave225), Saturday, 6 November 2004 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Agnew was a bloated old carcass of self-importance, an over-inflated buffoon who moonlighted as a hit man. He was a starkly-lit drone in the shadow army of Nixon stooges. He was beneath contempt. It is only by sheer dumb luck that Agnew was indicted for bribery and resigned before Nixon.

Cheney is a conniving old serial killer and as dangerous as a trunk full of knives, a sneaking, creeping infection of a man with a bad, bad heart. He probably snorts Drano to polish his inner clockworks after he's eaten his daily corpse.

You're right. He's worse.

― Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 6 November 2004 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Alex, your last post was on the 4th. WELCOME BACK PAL

― JUSHINTHUNDERLIGER (deangulberry), Saturday, 6 November 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago)

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

― Placebo Effect, Saturday, 6 November 2004 20:00 (twenty years ago)

as to mortgages, interest rates will slowly creep up again. they were already doing so for most of the year, until they suddenly dropped down a tick a coupla months ago.

still, Alan Greenspan advised something like hanging on to your adjustable-rate-mortgage for the full 30 years, which is fucking insane. the interest rates WILL go back up(they don't have anywhere to go and unless things get REALLY bad, they ain't going back down to 2001/2002 levels).

rates are low-ish/ok right now, but that's gunna change. if anybody does still have a mortgage and hasn't refinanced their's yet, get an adjustable-rate-mtg for the VERY short term, then save some dough and switched to the standard fixed 30-year one.

the fun thing is that i don't thing that mortgages have a directly causal relationship with whosever in the white house. indirectly or correlative, yes, since rates slide up & down depending on how the economy is perceived as doing.

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 6 November 2004 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Alex, my stepfather-in-law also called (emailed actually) to gloat; it was a horrible horrible thing so I empathize with you there. I couldn't believe that he would take the time to actively shit on a new family member who had quit her fabulous job to work on the campaign. But hey, some people, right?

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 November 2004 20:22 (twenty years ago)

I haven't actually talked to my mom for a month due to screaming political arguments; my sister did early voting for Bush but couldn't justify her choice beyond 'Kerry's boring' and 'Mom told me to'. Doesn't think about the two abortions she's had, doesn't consider that she's heathen to those she has voted for. Just blethers on about Sept. 11 and various brown people taking her job or personal safety away (she works in a bar and barely graduated from high school). Lots of narcissism about being a target.

By the way, we were brought up not to be bigots. How did this happen, and to my mom as well?

― suzy (suzy), Saturday, 6 November 2004 20:45 (twenty years ago)

I hope you told him so Teeny, that's terrible. xpost

I was so prone to bouts of extreme, extreme anger this past few days that I was sort of afraid I was going to get into a fight, or just do something really dumb. I was giving the finger to Bush on the TV at school in the midst of well, everyone. Real mature.

Welcome back Alex.

― Hunter (Hunter), Saturday, 6 November 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago)

i like what one of my LJ friends wrote

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 6 November 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago)

Alex, you didn't write this, did you?

Straight male seeks Bush supporter for fair, physical fight - m4m
Reply to: anon-47785163@craigslist.org
Date: Wed Nov 03 19:11:50 2004

I would like to fight a Bush supporter to vent my anger. If you are one, have a fiery streek, please contact me so we can meet and physically fight. I would like to beat the shit out of you.

it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

Copyright © 2004 craigslist

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago)

Use of the word 'fiery' is surely the clue here.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Alex, you didn't write this, did you?

No, that's not mine (I would never say "fiery streek")....but I heartily condone the sentiment.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago)

WAIT JUST A MINUTE

...Killing Joke are dreadful.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago)

http://www.psu.edu/dept/inart10_110/inart10/now%20you%20die%20thumb.JPG

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago)

politically-motivated EC Comics

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago)

That's not EC, surely - is it Scott McCloud?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 6 November 2004 23:50 (twenty years ago)

i doubt it. comics in the style of EC. how's that?

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 6 November 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago)

I've a feeling it might be from Understanding Comics, but I don't have a copy so can't check.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 7 November 2004 00:16 (twenty years ago)

it is! and he got it from a penn state site for a class I took a couple years ago.

― miccio, Sunday, 7 November 2004 00:19 (twenty years ago)

Been out of comics for years, but I still have it! (ha, I remember interviewing McCloud about 15 years ago - he was obviously tired of being interviewed by people who knew nothing, and he kept probing at the start to find out if I knew anything - I scored on Kirby and Spiegelman, but it was when I not only knew who Tezuka was but also talked about writing an obituary article about him that he relaxed and became a very good interviewee.)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 7 November 2004 00:24 (twenty years ago)

wait alex weren't you posting on like wednesday!

― amateur!!st, Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago)

Thursday, even.

― jushinthunderliger (deangulberry), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago)

I got fed up on...what...Wednesday? I didn't say I was gone forever, just needed to step away for a little bit. Then decided it didn't make any difference. So I'm back. No big thing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Welcome back, Alex. My favorite band still is the best band ever & I still have never heard any Killing Joke.

Boy is active duty military- and he came extremely close to being deployed to Iraq in April 2003. It definiately affects me.

Also, if you travel, it affects you: the TSA is doing pat down searches now, and still has their ridiculous shoe fetish. A lot of countries whose citizens we fingerprint and photograph upon entry to the US have turned around and started doing this to Americans visiting them.

― lyra (lyra), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:56 (twenty years ago)

I hope your boy (son?) remains domestically deployed, Lyra. I saw a funny news report the other day (this is not related to anything), where the British reporter got a taxi around DC, filming the security measures. A guard (don't know what else to call them) came up and questioned them - "What are you doing", he asked. "Filming, dor the BBC". The guard asked "Are you from the Algeria network". Voiceover - "I assumed he meant the Al Jaziera Network, but I wasn't going to criticize".

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 04:07 (twenty years ago)

bookmark this craigslist search, it's endlessly entertaining:

Looking for sexy Republican Woman to hate fuck! - m4w - 25
Reply to: anon-47814149@craigslist.org
Date: 2004-11-04, 9:37AM EST

Need to take out this post election anger on something...Why not let your lovely conservative body recieve all my pent up aggression? Not a masochist or any such thing, just a frustrated progressive American looking to find peace and understanding with the other side.
Am I serious? I don't know.
Are you curious?

this is in or around Park Slope
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
47814149

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Sunday, 7 November 2004 06:12 (twenty years ago)

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