Can Kerry Un-Concede if the vote tally was fucked?

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Is there any kind of rule about conceding that says it is the ultimate final say in the matter?

― Kerry-Edwards '04, Sunday, 7 November 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

probably the one that was ratified about 5 mins ago.

― d.arraghmac, Sunday, 7 November 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

My understanding is that conceding is not worth squat.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Sunday, 7 November 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think any concession is binding - it's just a statement to the troops and an "I will fight no more forever" thing.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 7 November 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.slate.com/id/1006461

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 7 November 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the votes that matter, not the speech.

― Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 7 November 2004 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

did alan keyes ever make a concession speech? as of late wednesday he hadn't. what a dickface.

― amateur!!st, Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I imagine it would be very difficult for a politician who has conceded to later claim he is the president - especially when half, or close to half of the population is against him, at least without a civil war.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you should have another civil war. Go on, it'll be funny.

― Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Good reason for the Franklin Mint to create a whole new chess set too.

― dave225 (Dave225), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i think that civil war in the US might be the best thing for the rest of us.

obviously it'd suck for you guys though.

― d.,arraghmac, Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Who, me? I don't know what a one man Scottish civil war would be like, Wooden.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Funny!

― Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

(I was addressing the Americans in the crowd, which isn't at all clear looking back at my post.)

― Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

just as long as you kill belle and sebastian ...

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

ironicalish too because Bushco said the worst possible scenario next to civil war was a theocracy... in Iraq ... yeah, Iraq ... right?

― dave225 (Dave225), Sunday, 7 November 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry doesn't even need to unconcede - he only needs to win the electoral college. I suppose it's theoretically possible, given enough "faithless" electors.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 7 November 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Civil war in this age of weaponry? It would never happen.

― Neck Ball, Sunday, 7 November 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm all for a civil war
or at least a peaceful attempt at secession.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Sunday, 7 November 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(a) There's absolutely nothing from stopping a candidate from pointing out that some new information has come to light and that, wahey, he guesses he is still in it.

(b) This is TOTALLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

― nabiscothingy (nory), Sunday, 7 November 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still hoping that the electors come to their senses and vote faithlessly for Loni Anderson.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 7 November 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(a) There's absolutely nothing from stopping a candidate from pointing out that some new information has come to light and that, wahey, he guesses he is still in it.

Oh no, not ANOTHER Kerry flip-flop!
:)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 7 November 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone else seen this:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110804Z.shtml

And linking to this:

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

(I don't know either of these groups or if they are credible, but the data they use is readily available on the web.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 November 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I do keeping hoping that the electronic electoral fraud thing will break big-time on national news (the fact that it isn't doesn't necessarily undermine the veracity of the claims outlined above, but does mean nothing will be done) but I better not hold my breath.

The numbers are very odd and the fact that the exit polls were only miserably inaccurate in the swing states, and all in the same direction, suggests something screwy has happened with the exit polls or the voting itself. The way CNN adjusted their exit polls to tally with the actual vote as the night went on seemed dubious too.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, there is a new story this morning, about a machine in Ohio registering 4500ish votes for bush where only something like 600 people in total we registered to vote.

― marianna, Monday, 8 November 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That story just came through this morning?

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Er, I guess it was from Friday, but I only saw it this morning.

― marianna, Monday, 8 November 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

If that's the Columbus, OH story then it's a couple of days old. Genuinely seems to be a glitch - and not on a Diebold machine which are the ones arousing suspicion. (xpost)

I guess I'm clutching at straws here though, if the fraud took place at the computer level (op-scan tabulations), there are no straws to clutch. Something fairly subtle, like flipping every 1-in-30 or 1-in-40 Kerry votes, would be undetectable in a precinct-by-precinct analysis (i.e. not the huge obvious mistake in Franklin County) but might change the colour of a state. I know I'm venturing into daft territory here - it's called denial.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 8 November 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Denial is good, when bad things happen?

― the bluefox, Monday, 8 November 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

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