Turner Prize 2004

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I went to have a look at the Turner Prize exhibition last week. I really enjoyed it this year, having read nothing about it beforehand. The only artist(s) I knew anything about were Langlands & Bell. Their stuff on NGOs, prompted by an Imperial War Museum visit to Afghanistan, was interesting and slickly done, but maybe a bit one-dimensional. The piece they'd actually been nominated for ('The House Of Osama Bin Laden') had been removed, unfortunately, while they try that guy for terrorist offences. Kind of bizarre that it was deemed prejudicial to the case.

The first room, with stuff by Jeremy Deller, was OK. I vaguely remember about him getting a brass band to play 'What Time Is Love'. Bill Drummond was his 'celebrity champion' on the audio guide. The film he made in Texas was quite affecting. It really bugged me when some idiots around me just took it as opportunity to snort derisively at the woman in the diner. The ending, with the bats, was extraordinary. At first it was beautiful, then it started to make me feel a bit queasy. I started to think it was looped in some way, but I don't think it was, actually. They should show it on TV.

My favourite by far was the Kutlug Ataman, though. I was really overwhelmed by it. If you get a chance to see it then do leave yourself enough time to sit and listen to a few of the interviews properly - I think it's really worth it. Make sure you don't miss the man in the moustache and striped shirt, on the screen closest to where you go in, I think. Probably helps to go when it's not too busy, too. Even on the Monday afternoon I was there, there were lots of people inadvertently standing in the way of the projectors as they wandered in. I just thought the whole thing totally transcended the rest of the nominees, anyway, so I was annoyed when I got to the end of the exhibition and found that Ataman was hardly mentioned on the comments cards that people had pinned up. One said something like "Boring! Don't people know video installations are totally old hat?" I guess they were sort of joking, but it made me cross anyway.

If people expressed a preference at all, it tended to be for the final nominee, Yinka Shonibare. Maybe I was a bit worn out by then, but his stuff did little for me. It seemed like academic art to me, and though he seemed like a nice guy on the commentary, I wasn't very interested in what he said he was trying to do. I lot of people praising him on the cards seemed to be calling him by his first name, which made me a bit suspicious, like they were just rooting for him cause he was everyone's mate on the London art scene. That's probably unfair, though.

Anyway, Kutlug Ataman for me, all the way.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Alba, I guess finding the Deller film online is out of the question?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the Turner Prize, but I never get to see anything because the gallery is far away...this makes me sad, and I never really feel I can pick a favourite.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I don't know. I guess so, unless it has already been on TV and someone's put up a bittorrent somewhere. It's called Memory Bucket.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe I will see about that Megabus.

Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

don't be a megafool.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

If the Megabus wins the Turner Prize then I'm throwing my hat in with Brian Sewell.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never been on the Megabus, but it looks cool. Does anyone know if it's nuclear powered, like the "Big Bus"?

Keith Watson (kmw), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

N, the shout-outs to Yinka ARE from art scenesters. He has tons of friends (Yinka sometimes uses a wheelchair and has no shortage of helpers to take him out and look after him, he seems to be in a fair bit of pain sometimes) and he hasn't been living in London for awhile.

Deller's winning it this time.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Tee hee - I had a look for ILE mentions of the nominees and the only one I could find was Yinka Shoinibare. Includes you saying "I'm afraid to say I know him better socially than I do his work"!

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

(and anthony saying "i love the swing, that threesome voyuer look at my cunt thing is hot.")

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yinka is really good friends with my friend Esther is why; I saw his rather cool dashiki spaceman piece in Venice 2001.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Deller your choice, or just who you think will win?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I see he is 2/1 favourite. Well, he was my second favourite, but quite a long way behind Ataman.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ataboy.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought the bats in memory bucket were the best thing there by miles (i watched them 3 times and could have done so many more), and everything else was pretty lame. i didn't get into the ataman at all, i'm afraid. the layout was kind of cool but the content was beyond dull...

toby (tsg20), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Gosh. I found it so far from dull. When the aforementioned man in striped shirt said "A human is the highest form, but still I would like to come as a bird," I suddenly found myself in tears. I loved sitting around, hearing the hubbub of all the different voices, with their stories, floating around the space. It took me above everything else, did all those things the commentary said about reflecting on the way we construct narratives, but also just seemed a beautiful presentation of souls floating in the universe. Like he said, the screens acted as doorways.

Even as pure documentary, it was a fascinating insight into the culture.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I guess if I had just wandered though the Ataman room and listened to bits of the interviews, I probably wouldn't have got much out of it. I'm not saying you did that, mind. Just that it is probably one of those things that requires a fair bit of time. And some of them were more interesting than others, obviously.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

blimey is this the first year the TP thread hasn't exploded into 700 post "call that art?!" nonsense? i didn't realise the L&B piece had been removed, mr 'opkins was telling me they had a new exhibition on on cork street somewhere...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Turner Prize relevance vs Mercury Music Prize relevance

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I got a bit confused about the Langlands & Bell thing - sorry.

It's not The House Of Osama bin Laden that's been removed - that was the videogame thing that's still there (people were on it when I was there, and I didn't really pay it fair attention).

It's their Zadad's Dog film that's been removed, and the trial is for conspiracy to torture and conspiracy to take hostages, not terrorism.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Langlands and Bell should win just for making one of my favourite ever pieces of art, which 'orrible 'opkins introduced me to:

http://www.langlandsandbell.demon.co.uk/images/arb01.jpg

the world ones are a bit nicer I think but mmmm pretty

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

What is that? It looks like one of those ''Ryanair now fly from the UK to over 50 European destinations' maps.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

that reminds me of the 'spider on cocaine' experiments they did a few years back (egghead white-coated boffins are the TRUE artists)

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

it's the air corridors over Britain

The world ones are a bit more spartan, and possibly better for it

also now available, the world one etched into optical quality glass blocks, mmmmmm

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 8 November 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i guess i only gave the ataman room about 15-20 mins total. it was when i realised that each piece was an hour long that i walked out. also, i had only got back from boston that morning, so hadn't had any sleep for a long time, which probably didn't help. i'd need convincing to give it another go, though.

toby (tsg20), Monday, 8 November 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)


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