In all seriousness...are Man U shite?

tcha, you sound like a Spurs fan...

I take offence to that. It was mostly our second string, some kids playing their second ever games in the Premiership and stuff, and they never looked too worried.

Never looked like scoring. The Blue half of Manchester runs supreme another season of derbies. When will the "six easy points" myth run dry for you guys?

if Man Utd don't finish third i'll be shocked.

I would still much rather see Man Utd win the Premiership than either Arsenal or Chelsea.

Piss off bellend!

What the fuck does THAT have to do with anything!!

WHY DO YOU BLAME FOOTBALL? WHY ARE YOU APOLOGISING FOR THE HOOLIGANS?!?!?!

We seem to have a reputation as 'grafters' but I don't believe that was any different last season when it took us until March to chalk up seven wins; we seem to be better tactically and technically - Gravesen has never been better.

Which is a shame, because you guys would obviously appreciate it much more than ManYoo fans seem to!

"Piss off bellend!"

Simon's great, isn't he?

Not that we Blues have an awful lot to crow about, but Jordan (no jokes please) had a fine game on Sunday, and Richard Dunne was a colossus for all the right reasons. Richard 'Ton' no more.

I was amused by a couple of things that Ferguson said afterwards. Firstly, he defended the indefensible by saying that Smith had only made two tackles all game, forgetting that both of those had been studs-up howlers.

I also liked Ferguson's pronunciation of the word 'clear'. With his propensity for replacing Ls with Ws (Weeds, Wiverpool, etc) it sounded like he was claiming '2 queer penalties'.

as for manyoo, there are several problems:

- error-prone silvestre at centre-half
- rooney and ronaldo will probably remain raw and inconsistent for a while yet, despite their undoubted promise.
- great keane games have become increasingly rare the last 2 and 1/3 seasons, to the point where he looks ordinary most of the time now.
- most obvious candidate to fill in for keane when he's knackered was the reliable nicky butt, a player i always liked - sold to newcastle because he's slipped down the midfield pecking order. and who is ahead of him? desperately ordinary players - kleberson, djemba-djemba, miller, o'shea, p.neville - all have looked no better than average on their run-outs in midfield (and frequently worse than that). fletcher may be ok.
- scholes in poor form so far this season - he's only 29 and he was very good last season, so i hesitate to say he's "past it", but he we need him back to his best sooner rather than later.
- giggs may well be past it, i haven't decided yet. i wish we had bought duff.

on the plus side:
- i like carroll in goal.
- blunders against portsmouth aside, ferdinand has had a strong return.
- smith and heinze have provided a healthy dose of battling (and footballing) qualities since their arrival.

I don't really understand why he let him go.

- perhaps ferguson has just lost his ability to organise and motivate footballers? for all their quality striking options, united's attacking is all unfocussed huffing and puffing, with none of arsenal's precision.

Or Robben.

Ferguson's preference of Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba etc over Butt continues to baffle me. Although at least Kleberson occasionally has a good game, Djemba-Djemba is the worst player I have ever seen play regularly for United.

(The rumour I've heard is that it is Darren Fletcher who is seriously ill)

I see we play the Arsenal youth team tonight. My fourth sentence above still stands.

-- Japanese Giraffe, November 9th, 2004.

I do try!!!

Richard Dunne was the man of the match. Jordan had a great game as well and Wright-Phillips was amazing as ever.

I've heard the Paul Scholes rumour as well.

I thought Roy Keane looked absolutely dreadful on Sunday as well. It's all gone a bit PT at OT!

Aww, thanks for being a sport, Simon! Not sure about Little Shaun. I thought his performance was full of mistakes, apart from one mad, take-the-long-route dribble inside his own area. The bloke's got some bottle.

As for your lot, Ronaldo is so far and away your best player - no contest. And although his crossing was amusingly crap on Sunday, Heinze looks a great player.

Anyone who's worried about how their team is doing... just look at Southampton, and thank the Lord you don't know Lowe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40522000/jpg/_40522427_dexter_pa.jpg

N.B. I didn't actually see it cos I was at work