TS: Soy/Almond/Rice/Etc. Milk vs. Dairy Milk

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Bring it.

― Peanuts (Peanuts), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:32 (twenty years ago)

Goat's milk!!!

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago)

Which one tastes less like liquid cardboard?

― Guymauve (Guymauve), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago)

I vote whisky.

― Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago)

I have a dairy allergy so it's usually soy. Milk's nicer but.

― Adamdrome Crankypants (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cadbury.pl/gifs/dairy.gif

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago)

doesn't too much soya make your brain go flooooop?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Soy causes shrinkage.

― Kenan (kenan), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:00 (twenty years ago)

i will take my milk without antibiotics. k thx

i drink soy milk because its readily available and affordable

― todd swiss (eliti), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago)

I am suspicious of soyfoods, but I'm starting to use them again since I've gained too much weight since going off a (decade-long) 98% vegan diet. I'll take a little cognitive decline tomorrow for a fitter body today, especially since tomorrow seems increasingly uncertain.

However, I haven't been drinking soy milk lately. I never really liked milk very much (except chocolate milk). In fact, I would say I prefer soy milk, and some similar substitutes, to dairy milk. Almond milk is pretty good. I used to buy a product that was a combination of different grain milks, including oat milk. It was pretty good but unfortunately too gas-producing (which is also true of crudely prepared soymilk, the sort you can buy in small stores in Chinatown--in Philadelphia anyway).

Outrageous gas problems is of course the unspoken dilemma of veganism, for many of us anyway.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago)

I drink fat free skim. Soy sometimes.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 00:26 (twenty years ago)

Soy only, sometimes rice. I haven't drunk cow's milk in years: it's always tasted kinda gross to me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 00:39 (twenty years ago)

Soy for cereal. After being off of it for 5 years, cow milk now causes huge stomach distress, it's not worth it. Fortunately cheese and yogurt are no problem.

― Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 00:49 (twenty years ago)

Outrageous gas problems is of course the unspoken dilemma of veganism, for many of us anyway.

so OTM.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago)

breast milk, bottle, breast milk, bottle, nipple nipple ohh! Juice, milk, breast milk, juice. Sippy cup!

― aimurchie, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:05 (twenty years ago)

Ever since I stopped drinking cow's milk it really disgusts me (maybe because I know what goes into it). But I like dairy products in general 10 times more than their soy imitations.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:11 (twenty years ago)

vanilla almond milk is amazing on cereal.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 04:53 (twenty years ago)

Goat's milk seconded.
I thought I was being really clever drinking soy milk until it pushed my estrogen production into imbalace and aggravated my hypothyroid. Now it's Moo. I would drink goat's milk if I could find it. I love goat cheese, and actually prefer it to cow's milk cheese.

― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 05:00 (twenty years ago)

me too, especially on pizza or as filling for a pastry!

― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 05:08 (twenty years ago)

cow milk is so superior-especially for cooking and baking. soy just doesn't cut it.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago)

i've never had any problems with baking & using soy.
for the last who knows how many years i've been drinking soy milk. i find rice too sweet on its own . . .
and hunter: i have the same issue with being able to eat cheese & yogurt (i think it's the enzymes & the bacterias that make it easier to digest). drinking milk or eating ice cream, however, makes my stomach knot up something awful.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I really hate milk as a beverage.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I find milk gross as well, always have. We usually get soy milk because it tends to last longer and we don't really use a lot of milk, mainly just for coffee and cereal and occasionally for baking something. It's a little weird in coffee, it seems to take a little bit of the bitterness away, which actually bugs me a little.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago)

i love fruity flavored soymilks, i love cow milk, i love my own milk (oops), i love... i love... actually i love all milk except butter milk.

butter milk is produced by the devil's tit.

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

I would drink goat's milk if I could find it.

I know you can get it in both liquid and dry form at Whole Foods, but you will pay a premium.

― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:36 (twenty years ago)

baking with soy milk is like using margarine instead of real butter. and i would wager that in a blind taste test at least 90% of people would prefer the bakery item that contained milk/butter than the one made from the imposters! it is an insult to the tastebuds!

that said, i would never willingly drink a glass of unaccessorized milk. cow, goat, soy, rice or otherwise. barf-o-rama!

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago)

There are few enough baked goods that require milk or cream that it's a safe assumption that the ones that do really do require it, and that substitutions are a bad idea -- in a best-case scenario, it might still be acceptable (like people who like, or prefer, maple-flavored syrup on pancakes), but it's not going to be the same.

Butter and margarine are another matter, though. Usually all that matters there is the ratio of fat to liquid, and the problems come in when people use liquid-heavy spreads as their substitute instead of ordinary margarine. Those spreads not only have too much liquid -- throwing off the proportions in what is after all a chemical reaction, not just some casserole -- but they're usually more heavily flavored, and that flavor will come through. Baking margarine should be unflavored, for the same reason you don't cook with the garlic-lemon oil you dip your bread in -- it's an ingredient, not a condiment. It's been a long time since I've needed to look for it, though, so I don't know if it's still as available as it was before the glut of spreads and "half-butters" and whatnot.

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago)

I use soy creamer for my coffee, because coffee is my girlfriend's domain, and that's what she's used to.

I don't drink milk by itself.

When I make ice cream or butter, I use heavy cow's cream, although I'd like to try the latter with other milks -- sheep and whatnot. Can't stand goat milk or its derivatives.

Soy milk makes terrible cream soda, although the sweetened stuff might work, I don't know.

Rice milk makes great ice cream, but not at home -- it seems to need stabilizers or industrial processing equipment, probably both.

That's the benefit to dairy milk, in the end, when you're talking about cooking -- the thousands of years of cuisine which have developed around them have taken advantage of its chemical properties. If you're going to cook with soy milk, it's better to cook the things it's "native" to instead of pretending that calling it milk actually makes it so.

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago)

tep--you make your own butter?!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I've been playing with that a lot lately. You can't really do it completely "from scratch" at home, because the cream comes from the store pasteurized, and doesn't have the cultures that make butter anymore. So I take a little cream, whip it up, add a little buttermilk and a little sour cream and a little salt (the buttermilk and the sour cream have their own cultures, not identical to what professional butter makers would use but similar enough), leave it out overnight, and whip it again -- the fat separates from the liquid, I knead it for a minute until it's smooth, and boom, I've got butter.

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago)

there's something amazing about that.
i've been wanting to make my own soy ice cream...

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:46 (twenty years ago)

CHOCOLATE SILK-- AMAZING!!

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Now that the seasonal cycle has ushered in the gelidity of Northern climes, again soreness besieges my throat as is the wont of Winter -- and thus, given my people's intolerance of the milk-sugar lactose, bovine milk aggravates my condition, though it stands to note that I, in more salubrious states of body, typically luxuriate in a stein of the stuff with my daily repasts.

Yet, my query: what of the bio-availability of the nutrients among these options?

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:45 (twenty years ago)

I really hate milk as a beverage.

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...), November 9th, 2004 3:25 PM. (Dan Perry) (later)

what does this mean?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago)

He likes milk as an ablution, clearly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago)

I really thought I'd started this thread.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:50 (twenty years ago)

strawberry soy milk is the best drink. ever. i swear by that shit.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:34 (twenty years ago)

But is your body absorbing the same amount of nutrients (e.g. calcium) as you would from milk?

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:42 (twenty years ago)

1) you can buy fortified soy milk 2) if you get plenty of vitamin c you can absorb all the necessary nutrients. vegans KNOW how to take care of ourselves.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:45 (twenty years ago)

you know whats really cool about the USA? CHOCOLATE PEANUT BUTTER SOY ICE CREAM. you cannot get that shit in nz, we only have about 4 flavours of soy ice cream available.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:49 (twenty years ago)

while i've been a vegan i've developed a real dislike of (most) dairy products. they STINK. butter makes me gag, it smells like rancidness. and dairy milk don't smell too shit hot either.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:51 (twenty years ago)

I was under the impression, however, that fortification/enrichment < natural presence/whateverness.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 15 November 2004 03:58 (twenty years ago)

small price to pay for the love of animals in my view.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:01 (twenty years ago)

nonvegans asking vegans "yes but are you HEALTHY?" gets really tiresome. i personally get so weary of replying "actually my doctor says i am fighting fit and i get all the necessary nutrients".

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:08 (twenty years ago)

the calcium myth: http://sugarrocket.com/vegan/vegan-myths.php#calcium

ps the answer is almond milk

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:38 (twenty years ago)

How do you milk an almond? Are there stools small enough?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:39 (twenty years ago)

you cad

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's kind of a rubbish joke. I think I just fink milking stools inherently funny.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:43 (twenty years ago)

That should be "find" - I think I was freudianly insulting myself, or something.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:45 (twenty years ago)

Milk is a cooking ingredient, not a beverage.

(Also, I want to ruin rice milk for everyone with one simple word: Condeleeza.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago)

milk is a beverage.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Too much protein inhibiting calcium absorption? What if I'm trying to, as They say, bulk up, wherein protein is a good thing? (I'm not trying to advocate any side against another, I'm trying to decide if I should never get 2% at the dining hall anymore and go straight for the rice milk.)

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:43 (twenty years ago)

I had Armenian yogurt beverage tonight (yogurt tahn) and .... blarfuargul! I will never eat dairy again.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:34 (twenty years ago)

ten years pass...

earl grey tea w/soy milk is heavenly

― example (crüt), Thursday, 5 March 2015 19:46 (ten years ago)

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