Why Am I Never Taken Seriously?

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In relationships mainly, I should say

Every relationship I've had has ended badly, right now I'm without one and have time to reflect. In more than one of these relationships...every time I revealed something of myself it was always brushed off or met with incredulity, or she suddenly had to go and do something else, or just said something condescending like "I'm sure you're just making something out of nothing", or accused me of lying.

Even worse, nothing I said was ever remembered, if the same thing that bugged me came up again later and I mentioned it, I would get "What!? I didn't know you had a problem with x, why are you making such a big deal about it now"

I don't think I whine excessively, I am usually passive about things...which makes it worse, because it takes up all the energy I have to tell somebody something I feel deeply about, only to get such a skeptical and dismissive reaction

I find this with friends too...on the very rare occasion I will tell a friend something about myself, they reply with some problem of theirs that is 500x worse, implying my problem is minor and not worth discussing...am I the most negligable person in the world, who isn't qualified to be in the world of 'real' people yet?

I have considered getting counselling but that seems even worse -having to pay someone to not just dismiss everything you say out of hand!

Has anyone else had this problem, or known somebody that they just distrust instinctively? What did that person do, what sort of signals do people send that disincline you to take them seriously? Maybe I am doing the same thing, and whatever it is I would like to stop or at least change it.

loggedout, Friday, 12 November 2004 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes I think I can't trust anybody.
Do you tend to devalue yourself?

Nowell (Nowell), Friday, 12 November 2004 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes I consciously devalue myself to see what everybody else might see, I think "maybe people are right and my problems and feelings are meaningless"

Then I get angry and think "if they are not taking me seriously because I obviously haven't SUFFERED like they have then maybe they deserved it!"...which I don't like to feel.

loggedout, Friday, 12 November 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago)

I can empathize. But maybe the reason I'm not taken seriously is cuz I'm young... But I devalue myself cuz I just can't take compliments - most of the time. But its mainly cuz it's almost only adults complimenting me.

Does that make sense?

Nowell (Nowell), Friday, 12 November 2004 19:45 (twenty years ago)

having to pay someone to not just dismiss everything you say out of hand!

Hey! It's a start.

The first most important thing to grasp is that you cannot make people take you seriously. You can't make them do anything. Consider the many teenagers who suddenly come to the luminous insight in regard to their parents' various demands - "You can't make me." It's true. You can only endeavor to make it worth the other person's while to do as you wish. They'll either comply or not.

The second most important thing to grasp is that no one can act on information they don't have. You are the only person who knows your mind, your thooughts, your needs, your desires, your opinions. It is up to you to convey that information to any other person who you think requires that information.

Since this communication is ultimately for your benefit, you have to work at it. Communication often fails. Most often it partly fails. If you want to be sure you've communicated your thought, you have to double check.

As Nowell's answer hints, this process requires an assertion of yourself. You have to ask for, get and hold the other person's attention and make sure your message gets across. This means you have to value your message. You've got to figure 'I'm important dammit, so this is important.'

These are the basics, the prime directives. Being diplomatic, patient, gentle and understanding as you struggle to convey your message - these are refinements. Important refinements, but they don't override the prime directives.

Ask for respect. Put yourself forward. Then respect the other person's independence of thought and action. When it works correctly it's a treat. (multiple xpost)

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 12 November 2004 19:53 (twenty years ago)

I feel this way sometimes.

Also, people interrupt me all the time.

JBR, Friday, 12 November 2004 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Sort of. You want to be complimented by people you have something in common with? (xpost with Nowell)

My problem is, when I try to establish common ground with people, I am usually slapped down for it, if not so aggressively.

People interrupt me all the time, too. Sometimes they are really rude about it, saying "EXCUSE ME" like they're about to say the room is on fire, but then going on about something that happened to THEM, with no connection to anything I just said.

loggedout, Friday, 12 November 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Sounds like my experience, loggedout.

JBR, Friday, 12 November 2004 20:06 (twenty years ago)

This level of self-absorption sounds like adolescence. My advice is, if they are that rude, screw them and find friends who know how to be friends. Eventually the rude ones will be abandoned by every person worth knowing, so why be the last one off that train? Hold fast to what is right for you. Don't get confused.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 12 November 2004 20:06 (twenty years ago)

I agree with aimless. The only people that treat me this way anymore are people I *MUST* come in contact with, not chosen friends or relationships. I'm sure it will come as no surprise since it is coming from me, but I think you outgrow most everyone from your teens and 20's and wind up with a handful of real friendships later on that often disappear into families and careers.

JBR, Friday, 12 November 2004 20:17 (twenty years ago)

I wish I could help, loggedout. It seems like the people around you are being pretty selfish. They are all just wrapped up in their own lives and their own mini dramas. Do you know anyone who is happy-go-lucky that you could starting hanging out with?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Friday, 12 November 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago)

I do know people like that, but for some reason I don't take THEM seriously. Maybe that is part of my problem. Unfortunately, I seem to be very judgemental of the people who are easiest to get along with, they've always seemed irresponsible, and going-nowhere to me, and I think "I don't want to end up like them".

I think it is a problem with achievement, that is, people who are succesful are intimidating, and the people I can get along with easily are usually of the type seen as society's failures, so I tend to undervalue them.

The problem for me is, I am starting to believe that the dismissive contempt I am receiving from those more succesful than I is no longer just thoughtless, but deliberate. It is as if the world is becoming less and less tolerant of weakness all the time.

Nowell - maybe that is why you distrust adults, because you might partly see them as failures? Teenagers often envision great futures for themselves, and people who have grown up to only have 'normal' lives must seem like they have failed.

loggedout, Friday, 12 November 2004 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Do you know anyone who is happy-go-lucky that you could starting hanging out with?
Like me, for instance! Wherever I go, the opening track from the movie Pecker is always playing!

JBR, Friday, 12 November 2004 20:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm not taken very seriously, either, which is usually because I don't take myself very seriously.

planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Friday, 12 November 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if I've developed a healthy personality.

Nowell (Nowell), Friday, 12 November 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Loggedout, you seem a bit vague. Seriously, maybe that is the problem.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 12 November 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps, in life, you should be more specific, I mean.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 12 November 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago)

Maybe you're right about being 'vague'.

I have difficulty with making specific demands of people, because I fear they will react harshly, or subject me to detailed questioning, which just makes me want to say "forget about it then"

I think I'm just a naturally 'vague' person, I don't have very strong feelings about most things.

loggedout, Saturday, 13 November 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Would you not like to have strong feelings? Could you not pretend to have them? I mean, the initial question seems to answer itself: it comes across as being among the least urgent 'logged out problem' threads ever.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Saturday, 13 November 2004 00:38 (twenty years ago)

It sounds like you have difficulty asserting yourself. If you can't express yourself with conviction, and with the confidence that what you're saying is important and worthwhile, why should the people you're talking to feel that it is?

That's rhetorical, but you understand my meaning.

Laura H. (laurah), Saturday, 13 November 2004 02:05 (twenty years ago)

not trying to be facetious /facetiousness on/ but i don't think anyone feels like they are taken seriously enough by other people. i don't mean to be harsh, but i tend to agree with eyeball kicks on this.

d.arraghmac, Saturday, 13 November 2004 02:36 (twenty years ago)

Strong feelings seem to encourage aggression in other people, and maybe I am too afraid of that.

I have pretended to have them, but always felt really embarrassed about it later. Sometimes people try to be nice and say they won't bring up a certain issue because they "know" I have strong feelings about it, because of something I said before, and I feel ashamed to tell them that I really don't, and that I was just acting impassioned about something because that's what people are supposed to do.

Also, this reinforces my belief that the only things that people remember about you are the times you lost control of your emotions, or made mistakes, or demonstrated your inferiority in some other way.

loggedout, Saturday, 13 November 2004 03:14 (twenty years ago)

R u 4 reel??

purplerain, Saturday, 13 November 2004 03:17 (twenty years ago)

loggedout, I identify with what you're saying about showing emotions, that people will then focus on those moments. I think I share that characteristic of not showing emotions for similar reasons.

Ironically, I think you probably appear to other people as a stable, self-sufficient person because of the very fact that you tend not to show emotions, and that therefore people might not take the problems you express seriously because of the image they have of you. To them, your problems can't be that bad, since to them you actually appear relatively strong. I'm just making an educated guess since it's hard to really tell from a thread, but this is similar to what happened to me.

I didn't think of it as not being taken seriously exactly - but I did worry about whether my friends liked me as much as they liked other friends, how much they thought about me, whether they really thought about what I was *feeling* instead of just as someone convenient to hang out with, etc.

Anyway, if this guess is right, you may need to state your issues more strongly or repeat them more, in order for people to take them as seriously.

another loggedout, Saturday, 13 November 2004 03:51 (twenty years ago)

A great person once said to me: "We're all on the edge of extreme self-loathing at every moment of our lives. A greater act of bravery than embracing this self-loathing (which is easy, and bullshit) is passing by it and - while recognizing its omnipresence - paying it no heed. Watching mopey, touchy-feely shit is meaningless, and the simple choice to ignore the crap of the world is a magnificent act of infinite bravery."

Remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 13 November 2004 03:58 (twenty years ago)

If anybody has experience with trying to ignore the crap of the world, it's gonna be her. She was in Sliver! That's knee deep.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 13 November 2004 04:03 (twenty years ago)

Film teacher who was in Sliver OTM, all the same.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 13 November 2004 04:04 (twenty years ago)

woah, forget Sliver, she was married to James Lipton! Ow!

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 13 November 2004 04:05 (twenty years ago)

he cheated on her!

Remy (x Jeremy), Saturday, 13 November 2004 04:11 (twenty years ago)

she was better off having lost him

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 13 November 2004 04:19 (twenty years ago)

"sex..with another. woman." (waits for applause)

"How do you react to this? is it something you can use in your work?"

(steeples fingers under chin, nods sagely while waiting for reaction. grows beard)

d.arraghmac, Saturday, 13 November 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago)


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