my company is sending everyone on a course to learn how to use e-mail properly

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I'm going tomorrow. It will be a waste of time. Explain to me how doing this can possibly be regarded as a Good Thing.

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 14 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

incidentally when I say everyone I mean everyone. from senior management down to the reception. We were at least given an extensive list of dates, ranging over two months and we had to respond, using Voting Buttons. This was two months ago, from which you can glean that I've put this off to the Last Possible Moment.

And looking down the list of my fellow attendees, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised to see that most of them work in IT.

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 14 November 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

You want to take my colleagues with you? Preferably to teach them that text speak in capital letters isn't the way to communicate effectively via email?

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 14 November 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

they should have organized an online course.

ailsa, rofl, i prefer no capitals AT ALL. oops.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Sunday, 14 November 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but if you are emailing people from work, you don't go "PLS CAN U FWD THE INFO TO ME THANX". Do you?

Unless you are my colleague.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 14 November 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I should say "FWD INFO 2 ME". It never occurs to me that this is acceptable in business. Is it? Am I stuck behind the times in my curmudgeonly old ways?

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 14 November 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going tomorrow. It will be a waste of time. Explain to me how doing this can possibly be regarded as a Good Thing.

How did they send out the notice? Was it email? If so, they probably already know how to use it, you'll figure this out in ten minutes, and then you can get down to some serious drinking.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 14 November 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, yes: therefore anyone who does turn up will be immediately sent away again, and anyone else rounded up for the real course afterwards.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 14 November 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that it is all the more frustrating coz it is not typical of the company at all. When things are brilliant most of the time, the few crap things stand out like sore thumbs.

The course is being run by somebody outside the company (a Using E-Mail Properly Consultant, one assumes) so presumbaly it is costing a lot to send us and they could've spent the money on something else, like HIGHER WAGES or something.

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 14 November 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i like people who put the whole text of the email in the subject lines

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 14 November 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

ppl more important than me (not necessarily true, I could prolly get one if I was "on the road" more often) get these WAP devices called Blackberries which enable them to send e-mails whilst out of the office. The one time I got an e-mail worded in the way Ailsa describes I did have to guess what a couple of things meant. It wasn't an important business e-mail as it happened (someone was entering a team for the work quiz on Wednesday, for which I'm questionmaster), but they'd used the abbrevs "jst" and "bof" in it. I e-mailed her back saying, "Looks like you've been sending too many txt msgs. I'm guessing some of this: 'jst' = Journal Sales Team, 'bof' = boyfriend?" to which she replied "Oh no, it's just the Curse of Blackberry".

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 14 November 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

If it was someone with a blackberry thing (my boss has one) I wouldn't have minded, but it was one of the secretaries in the other office. You would think a secretary would be able to construct a sentence without resorting to textspeak when using a keyboard.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 14 November 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe they're going to tell us to use txtspk to save time on the course, who knows?

the maddening questionnaire I had to fill in last week when I got my Reminder E-mail (flagged for follow up, there's no escape, people) asked "How many e-mails do you have in your inbox?" as the first question. From ppl who've been on the course previously, I know that the first thing they ask you is to read out the answer to this in front of the 'class' and so I deleted a few non-essential things to whittle the total down to 77 from 122 and filled in 77.

Somewhat worryingly perhaps, the form had one of those sets of boxes where you are supposed to fill in one digit per box (à la for yr credit card no. when buying stuff) and there were FIVE BOXES next to the question!

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 14 November 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of my work colleagues definitely need training in how to use email. Can you guess who at my office is responsible for giving on-the-job training?

(I'm waiting until they ask me for it, which probably means I'll never have to)

We are, apparently, receiving some Blackberries to test - it keeps getting delayed whilst the company supplying them and our mobile phone network argue over how to charge us for calls from them. I'm betting that I'm not senior enough to get one, though.

caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 14 November 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Our company changed to Outlook on an Exchange server recently, much to the chagrin of those of us with any tech nous. Our arm of the company had up til recently run on a Solaris-based mail server of some kind and everyone just used Eudora or OE or Mutt or whatever suited, downloading their mail to their own pcs.

Then the company's parent company starts running the show, forces everyone onto Exchange with Outlook and now we have to leave all our mail on the server... and whaddaya know, suddenly they're complaining about everyone's mailboxes being too large! (averages well over 100mb each).

Seeing as we have to keep biz-critical mail, we seemed to manage perfectly well before with our own mail clients and PCs and no one complanined. Now, the same people telling us to cut down do this by sending a 1mb PDF file or word doc to the entire company, via email.

Sigh.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, we get notifications when our mailboxes go over 65Mb. I then have to spend time going through things, archiving, deleting attachments and so on. I don't know how many hours I've spent doing that, but I know roughly how much I cost them an hour (something like £50), and it would have been much more cost-effective to buy a few more Gb of memory.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

the thing is, I remember seeing something on our intranet about acting in an environmentally friendly manner and it said "don't print out your e-mails, that way you save paper". But if you don't print out your e-mails then if the information is important you have to keep them in your inbox (or save them all as documents on yr hard drive or a different server, which takes time).

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 14 November 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah they're telling us "for gods sake do not delete business critical mail! Oh but cut your mail boxes down, stop storing so much"... uhh...

one of the mailboxes on the server I have access to is a shared one all our team uses - it collects all the aliased mails we get as notifications from 3rd party resellers, from clients, from other telcos, all that jazz. We get a *ton* of the stuff and as its shared it cant just be deleted or archived onto one persons pc as everyone needs to see it. WTF do they think we'll do? I HATE OUTLOOK.

2 more weeks, 2 more weeks... 2 more weeks... *twitch*

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate the fact that you can't use wildcards in Rules wizard in Outlook. It would make the rule that sends spam to the trash based on various keywords work so much better if you could.

MarkH (MarkH), Sunday, 14 November 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I also hate how when you send someone a file that's already on your HDD, Outlook makes a copy of it into your sent folder ON THE SERVER, and the only way to cleanup all the duplicated unneeded copies is to delete the actual sent emails. That is so stupid. Why can't I just delete the attachments? Or better yet not duplicate them to sent in the first place grr.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 15 November 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem isn't people storing too many old emails; it's inflexible quota rules. We don't have quotas here, and our mailboxes range in size from 12Mb* to 120Mb. If I want to free up space, I'll go and whinge at the people who keep copies of all the crappy animations their friends send them, and not the ones who have big mailboxes because they've kept every single work-related email of the past ten years.

(but then, our company is small enough for me to know which of the users are which in that way)

* in Lotus Notes, an *empty* email database file weighs 12Mb. Ouch.

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 15 November 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

blimey, we only get 30mb on our mail server...

i'm reduced to using my 100mb on our file server for my archive folders...

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Answer - everyone at work gets gmail!

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

You can delete attachments: open the email up in a separate window (doesn't work in preview mode, grr), right-click on the attachment and hit remove, then close and 'yes' to save changes, and the attachment is gone. Applies to sent and received mail. One of the things I do regularly to save space - even a one page word document tends to be at least 50kb, and they mount up.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm actually in favour of sending everyone on this kind of course because of the sheer number of people who don't have a clue about (a) basic good etiquette in emails and (b) how to work Outlook/Eudora. I'm currently trying to work with somebody who refuses to include the body of the previous message, uses the same subject line as everyone else who ever emails me (the name of my conference) and just writes "yes, please do this" so I have no idea what I've offered to do and have to spend time searching through my sent emails to try and work it out. It W.I.N.D.S. M.E. U.P.

Sorry Mark, I'm sure you're a good boy when it comes to email, but I don't see they have much choice but to do blanket training.

Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

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trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Madchen has a point - a lot of people *do* need some basic training in how to use email.

I'm in favour of compulsary email training for anyone who ever sends me any. However, none of my work colleagues do - they just phone me, or if they're feeling particularly energetic, come down to my office.

(the people who work in the outer office just shout my name out when they want me)

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 15 November 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

You can delete attachments: open the email up in a separate window (doesn't work in preview mode, grr), right-click on the attachment and hit remove, then close and 'yes' to save changes, and the attachment is gone. Applies to sent and received mail. One of the things I do regularly to save space - even a one page word document tends to be at least 50kb, and they mount up.

Martin I kiss you, thats brilliant - I'm going to give it a try this morning and suggest it to others as well. You'd think the MIS team would have told us this already wouldnt you? Oh well...

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 15 November 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)


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