One veteran Democratic strategist, Clinton White House political director Doug Sosnik, sums up the answer in one word: Applebee’s.
For Sosnik, the chain of modestly priced restaurants (more than 1,600 in 49 states), symbolizes precisely what is wrong with the party’s Washington-based elite.
Democratic leaders are out of touch with the American people, Sosnik said in a panel discussion Tuesday sponsored by the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC).
“The leadership of our party has a cultural disconnect,” Sosnik said. “Our leaders — particularly Washington, D.C.-based — don’t really have the same life, day to day, as all those people out there in those red states. We don’t eat at the same restaurants. I don’t know how many politicians in town that are leaders of our party who voluntarily go to Applebee’s, unless it’s for work. You look at the swing voters out there, what their sporting events are, the music they listen to, the celebrities, the television programs, it’s just not what the East Coast leadership (watches) — it’s not quite where we are.”
"Talk about Applebee's, we don't even go to the Cracker Barrels and the Denny’s as well," added Donna Brazile, who served as Al Gore's campaign manager in 2000.
This is straight out of David Brooks, of course, who wrote:
""On my journeys to Franklin County, I set a goal: I was going to spend $20 on a restaurant meal. But although I ordered the most expensive thing on the menu -- steak au jus, 'slippery beef pot pie,' or whatever -- I always failed. I began asking people to direct me to the most-expensive places in town. They would send me to Red Lobster or Applebee's," he wrote. "I'd scan the menu and realize that I'd been beaten once again. I went through great vats of chipped beef and 'seafood delight' trying to drop $20. I waded through enough surf-and-turfs and enough creamed corn to last a lifetime. I could not do it."
Thomas Frank in 'What's the Matter with Kansas' also mentions Applebee's, which is headquartered in - you guessed it - Kansas.
Just what exactly is the significance of Applebee's?
Fast Facts Applebee's® International, Inc. develops, franchises and operates casual dining restaurants under the trademark of Applebee's Neighborhood Grill & Bar®. The company is headquartered in Overland Park, Kansas. Applebee's is the largest casual dining concept in the world with more than 1,600 restaurants in 49 states and ten international countries. For each of the past 11 years (1993-2003), Applebee's has opened 100 or more new restaurants. This rate of development - growing from 250 restaurants at the end of 1992 to more than 1,600 currently - is unprecedented in the casual dining industry. Applebee's currently estimates the development potential of the concept to be at least 3,000 restaurants in the United States. According to Nation's Restaurant News, Applebee's is the ninth largest restaurant chain in U.S. system-wide sales and, within the casual dining segment, Applebee's is first in number of units, first in sales and first in market share.
The décor of each Applebee's restaurant reflects its local neighborhood by displaying photographs and memorabilia highlighting hometown heroes and history, area schools, and local police and fire departments.
This article from Alternet has some insights.
In the end, it's not food we're eating, but the concept of authenticity itself. That's what's being gobbled like so many breadsticks at Olive Garden. That's what's getting carried home to be microwaved in those little Styrofoam containers.
We allow ourselves to believe in the reality of the fake so we can enjoy the superior feeling of having mastered it. And what better way to do that than by eating. Not food in some funky little mom-and-pop authentic joint, which wouldn't be relevant at all. But our version of what their food would taste like if they ever perfected it conceptually. That's what's on the plate at Olive Garden.
It started out with Chi-Chi's and Benihana, Bennigan's and Olive Garden. But 'deracinated' ethnic foodstuffs are not enough - even white Protestant flyover America needs assimilation. They even repackage local history on the walls of their restaurants! Who needs the local historical society or public library? "No matter what your taste, we’ve got something for everyone!"
So that's it. We can win the culture war by joining the steak stampede!
― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nemo (JND), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)
Actually, that's all for now.
― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)
End-result: GOPers will plop their clogs faster than Democrats will.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nemo (JND), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)
Last time I was dragged to Chili's, my dad ordered the fajitas. They came out on their special plate, but I noticed something was missing. Dad started in, and I asked him if his food was hot enough. He grunted affirmatively. I then pointed out that the plate had been making that annoying sizzle that usually comes with fajitas, it being one of the loud foods and all.
We asked the waiter who sheepishly told us that they usually squirt a little sumpin-sumpin' on the plate to activate the noise and had forgotten to do so with my dad's plate. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH CHILI'S, APPLEBEE'S, ET. AL.
However, just the fact that every single one of these places is packed every Friday and Saturday night shows that I'm in the minority. After all, the most profitable single restaurant in my state is a Red Lobster out by the mall in North Little Rock.
― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)
When tourists come to an intimidating place like Times Square, they're comforted when they see something they recognize from their hometowns. The thing I hear most often from out-of-town guests - people from Kansas City, Chicago, California - is: "We didn't know you were here. We've been in New York over a week, this is our last day, and we're so excited we've discovered the Olive Garden." They say their experiences in other New York restaurants have not been friendly. When I'm doing the hiring process, I look for a lot of employees from out of town, so when the guests come in, they can relate. I don't feel that Times Square has changed much since I was a kid. It's always been bright and exciting, and it still packs the same energy. Corporations have made America strong; I don't see anything wrong with corporations coming into Times Square. The Olive Garden is just part of the neighborhood.
― Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nemo (JND), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)
You can come visit me and find out what it's like.
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)
x-post
― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)
(as I was writing this a page I had in the background gave me an Applebee's pop-up. It was fucking creepy.)
― Dan I., Monday, 15 November 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)
Jesus is this OTFUCKINGM.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)
I also don't object to the pandering aspect of the suggestion. What I find obnoxious is how Applebee's is treated a synecdoche for everything the Democrats don't understand. I bet the very same people they're trying to court would find this tactic condescending and trivializing that everything they stand for can, in a short-hand way, be embodied by a restaurant. (So maybe I am put off by the pandering.)
"We're going to eat at your Applebee's to understand your kind better."
"Uh, that's great...how about going to our churches instead?"
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)
yes, i have seen the commercial, spencer. it really isn't pleasurable, though. friday's totally owns applebees. as does max and ermas.
― Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)
I have a friend who, whenever she visits her Mom and sister in Michigan, goes to Applebees. The brand reminds her of meals with them. I guess I have a similar thing with Chili's and my parents. I just think it's harsh to condemn these restaurants. I understand how they might be considered part of "the problem" (not gourmet, chain, destroying mom n' pop), but at the same time, I think it's a mistake to criticize them in the way that many cosmopolitan types do - people often have a deep psychic investment in these (problem) brands and places which should not be ignored (or criticized too harshly).
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)
1) Denny's2) IHOP3) Sizzler4) Shoney's5) Chili's
― Kenan (kenan), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― shookout (shookout), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)
Wendy's is hands-down the best national fast food chain in America. They had a London one and I really miss it.
― suzy (suzy), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kenan (kenan), Monday, 15 November 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)
You wacky urbanites, going to Red Lobster and Olive Garden as "a joke". I know of many suburbanites who would be very confused by this "joke". A joke? What's so funny about eating at Carrino's? It's good food at a decent price! That's funny?
I'm also enjoying this thread b/w the Steak & Shake thread. Fuck national chains unless they're serving chili fries!
On the rare occasion that I go to a coffe shop now, it's Caribou.
And maybe it was just an urban legend, but isn't Caribou owned by Saudis who gave money to Hamas? I'll stick with Domino's and Chik-Fil-A.
Actually, I go to Paul's up the street. I don't go to the national chains partly because of politics, but mostly because they're a great big fucking hassle to get in and out of. I assume that the waitress at Browning's is making enough money since she's been there since the Johnson administration. Guilt-free cheese dip, my friends.
― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― briania (briania), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)
yeah it was funny for a minute. "ha!ha! look at us! we're normal americans eating normal food with other normal americans!" but then soon realized that just for $20 more we could have each had the tasting menu at Le Bernadin. stupid stupid stupid
― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)
I once got in trouble at school for wearing a Fudpucker's shirt.
You Ain't Been Pucked 'Til You Been FUDPUCKED!
― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Emilymv (Emilymv), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)
Being trapped in a foul exurb every other weekend as a teenager probably has coloured my impressions of those places slightly, but like Aimurchie I have seen the staff manuals written by chain-restaurant overlords. I worked for a day at Perkins once - my mom went apeshit when she saw that they ruled that you had to turn up to work actually wearing the uniform. "Wait, they're trying to dictate your appearance at times they're not even paying you to wear that thing? No sale!"
― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:13 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 00:18 (twenty years ago)
― 31g (31g), Friday, 12 May 2006 00:41 (twenty years ago)
also, xxxpost, the ground round is absolutely foul. it's like fucking friendly's with drinks.
― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:27 (twenty years ago)
― Hunter, Age 3 (Hunter), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:52 (twenty years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:57 (twenty years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 12 May 2006 03:57 (twenty years ago)
― W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 06:31 (nineteen years ago)
Pwned by IHOP.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)
Evolve or die:
Ms. Stewart acknowledges that Applebee’s has not aged well, and that it has become indistinguishable from the other “apostrophe-s” restaurants like Chili’s or T.G.I. Friday’s.Above all, she and industry analysts agree, the menu has grown stagnant. Ms. Stewart is trying to steer Applebee’s into more adventurous waters.It would be hard to imagine a more challenging time to do that. Food and fuel costs are up while the amount of money customers are willing to spend is down.In recent months, Bennigan’s and its sister restaurant, Steak & Ale, filed for bankruptcy. Almost half of the people who own chain restaurants think things are going to get worse in next six months, according to a recent survey by the National Restaurant Association.“It’s been a disaster,” said Sharon Zackfia, a restaurant analyst with William Blair & Company, an investment firm. “There’s been nowhere to hide.”But Ms. Stewart loves a challenge, and she believes that small but important menu changes that will be introduced in the coming months will lead her to victory.
Above all, she and industry analysts agree, the menu has grown stagnant. Ms. Stewart is trying to steer Applebee’s into more adventurous waters.
It would be hard to imagine a more challenging time to do that. Food and fuel costs are up while the amount of money customers are willing to spend is down.
In recent months, Bennigan’s and its sister restaurant, Steak & Ale, filed for bankruptcy. Almost half of the people who own chain restaurants think things are going to get worse in next six months, according to a recent survey by the National Restaurant Association.
“It’s been a disaster,” said Sharon Zackfia, a restaurant analyst with William Blair & Company, an investment firm. “There’s been nowhere to hide.”
But Ms. Stewart loves a challenge, and she believes that small but important menu changes that will be introduced in the coming months will lead her to victory.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 23:41 (seventeen years ago)
That sassy-talking apple RIP
― Abbott, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 23:51 (seventeen years ago)
small but important menu changes
Haven't they been making these every month since like 2005?
I'll be impressed only if Applebee's makes themselves worse than Shari's
― Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 21 August 2008 00:47 (seventeen years ago)
Serious question: in what way was Applebee's formerly distinguishable from Chili's and TGI Friday's? And are the latter two distinguishable from each other? I mean, all are easily distinguishable from Denny's, which is more IHOPPy, and from Bennigan's, which is the same kind of restaurant but has much worse food. OK, I guess Chili's is a little more Southwestern. But seriously, explain to me what the difference between the ideal Applebee's and the ideal TGI Friday's is -- I've eaten plenty at both and have no idea. For bonus points, is the ideal Ruby Tuesday supposed to be a different thing again?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 21 August 2008 00:56 (seventeen years ago)
Oh, I had Ruby Tuesday's on vacation and it was really good, normal (no gimmicks) restaurant atmosphere and snooty foodstyles like you urbanites eat! Texas Roadhouse is really good too, they are vegetarian friendly and have a non-obnoxious atmosphere! Chili's has the least menu options and a more fast food atmosphere. Applebee's isn't bad but the plates are enormous.
I judge them by healthy options, like how many vegetables or salads you can get. Some might have a lot of calories but you are getting more vitamins at least.
― The Biggest Regret of My Life (u s steel), Saturday, 5 February 2011 17:48 (fifteen years ago)
OK. This thread belongs in the First Reply Hall of Fame.
― Aimless, Saturday, 5 February 2011 17:50 (fifteen years ago)
Chili's bottomless chips rules all other family restaurant-style places imho.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 5 February 2011 23:42 (fifteen years ago)
i nearly got arrested at an applebees when i was 11.― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, November 15, 2004 2:46 PM (6 years ago)
This never got explained! lb, what is the story?
― totally small truffles (Abbbottt), Sunday, 6 February 2011 02:41 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/08/11/applebees-is-done-trying-to-win-over-millennials/?utm_term=.ff0e7b2c07b8&tid=sm_tw
Now the company is taking items off the menu, including a turkey sandwich with sriracha chile lime sauce and a pork-ham-bacon sandwich. And it is bringing back old favorites, Lenow said, though he declined to say what those were. (“We wouldn’t want to tip off our competitors,” he said.)Applebee’s is also assessing “whether the brand truly gets credit for hand-cutting steaks in the restaurant and whether we should continue with this approach,” Cywinski said.
Applebee’s is also assessing “whether the brand truly gets credit for hand-cutting steaks in the restaurant and whether we should continue with this approach,” Cywinski said.
― j., Saturday, 12 August 2017 08:05 (eight years ago)
Applebee's riblets are good
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 12 August 2017 14:53 (eight years ago)
does the bar serve single malt scotch
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 August 2017 15:05 (eight years ago)
Imagine the inherent corniness of Applebee's is gonna be significantly more attractive to the millennial market than embarrassing attempts at hipping it up.
― circa1916, Saturday, 12 August 2017 17:19 (eight years ago)
a turkey sandwich with sriracha chile lime sauce
i think the turkey might have been the problem here, not the millenial sriracha
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)
Applebee's should have called it "millennial sriracha" imo
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 August 2017 18:00 (eight years ago)
why aren't the kids purchasing this turkey sandwich? what, you're telling me they don't like turkey now? you know what, i have had it up to HERE with these millennials
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 12 August 2017 18:02 (eight years ago)
i actually ate at an applebee's a couple weeks ago for the first time in god knows how long. arrived at the knoxville airport, was driving into town and just wanted a square meal since i was going straight on to a party. it was okay, slightly better than i might have remembered actually but mannnn did they make it hard to stay with the plan of ordering something kind of not-gross and semi-healthy. everywhere you turn are seductive combo deals with big glossy pictures of the delicious-looking fried junk. or platters where you pick two sides from a list but only one item on the list is both a vegetable and appealing-sounding so you're back onto the loaded baked potatoes and beer-battered mac-n-cheese fries or whatever. the place did not look to me as if it had been renovated since the 1990s, though there were dumb bar trivia electronic gadgets at the tables so maybe that was part of the "millennial" maneuver. nothing else about the entire experience seemed as if it had been engineered to appeal to my elite east coast metrosexual ivory tower needs. and that's okay.
― yellow is the color of some raisins (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 12 August 2017 18:17 (eight years ago)