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OMG HOW CAN I NOT SEE THIS MOVIE? IS IT SHOWGIRLS FOR THE NEW MODERN GENERATION?
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)
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OMG S1OCKI DIRECT YOURSELF TO THE "NATIONAL TREASURE" THREAD AND SPILL THE BEANZ
― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0346491/AXD-5221.jpg?path=gallery&path_key=0346491
Just click it. Just do it. OMG. How can this not be great?
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― TOMBOT, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0346491/AXD-10308RV3.jpg?path=gallery&path_key=0346491
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)
"Fer chrissakes! We're all goddamn Ernest Borgnines!"
― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)
http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif
― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)
actually if this film had been titled ELEPHANT VS. HORSE i'd be so much more likely to see it
― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― I Am Curious (George) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Remy (x Jeremy), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Remy (x Jeremy), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)
GREATEST MOVIE EVER
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)
-- jocelyn (nalra...), November 19th, 2004.
*dies*
― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)
american culture = the culture that keeps on giving!
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)
1. VAL KILMER: DIES2. JARED LETO: DIES3. COLIN FARRELL: DIES
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)
also, wtf was the point of having anthony hopkins tell the story? he was boring as shit.
― jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 29 November 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Monday, 29 November 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 29 November 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)
I think its supposed to be somewhat transylvanian. I mean, that doesnt really make any sense since the language of that area was not in any way like what it is now, but Olympias was supposedly from the northern tribes/barbarians that Phillip was smacking down in order to consolidate Macedonia. So geographically its moderately accurate and I think thats what she was going for.. As for all the Irish accents in the movie: theres no good explanation for that.
I would have enjoyed this movie a bit more if I didnt have to go to the bathroom 2 hours in and if I didnt think that something was going to actually happen during that last hour. Perhaps I thought Rosario Dawson was gonna get nekkid again.
― still bevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 29 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)
Don't say the chariot's topless, say the titties is out
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)
"It's as if everyone's baking cakes but nobody's allowed to say the word "cake"."
I was irritated and disappointed with nearly everything, except Bagoas. DAMN. Nice one.
― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)
Greek lawyers have put plans to sue the makers of film epic Alexander, which shows the ruler as bisexual, on ice.
The group had claimed the film was "pure fiction and not a true depiction of Alexander's life", and wanted this made clear to cinema-goers.
But the lawyers have withrawn their demand to have the film's opening on Friday delayed, so they can watch a preview screening of it.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― Leon the Fratboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)
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― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)
"So Jared, this was your death scene in eyeliner."
"Yeah, Colin...wow."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)
Epic film Alexander is fighting back after its poor showing at the US box office with strong figures in Europe, according to reports.
Film industry publication Screen Daily reports the film has doubled its $34m (£18m) US takings outside America.
That included ticket receipts of $18.7m (£9.9m) in the past weekend following a good opening in Spain, it said.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40719000/jpg/_40719785_alex_ap203.jpg
We are not your sinnersOur voices are for realWe realised and won't be mournedWe gonna burn your deathmask uniforms...
YOU! LOVE! US!YOU LOVE US!YOU LOVE US!YOU!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 January 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)
I also made notes from the talk, and was particularly interested in Stone’s plans for the DVD edit of the movie, and also to see what his thinking was about the comments he'd made on the supposed ‘over-emphasis’ of Alexander and Hephaistion’s homosexual relationship, and how he planned to change that. Not sure if I ought to post them here, or on the discussion thread, so please move it Dara if you need to. This seems to be the gist of it:
It seems the main thesis of the movie that he is trying to clarify is Alexander’s feelings about the death of his father, and his feelings about his mother’s possible complicity in the assassination. Stone has re-edited the movie for the DVD version and it seems he is adopting the non-linear approach as he originally intended, with a parallel story being told. The movie will last two and a half hours (the attention span of the US public, he says) and will be released in July.
The early scenes in Greece will be end at the scene in the cave with Philip and Alexander. The movie will then shift to adult Alexander at Gaugamela. The missing scenes will be moved to the third act, as he calls it, when “all the ironic echoes of what he did when young are repeated when he is older, and all the tensions bear fruit.” It seems then – if I understand what he’s saying – the scene where Olympias is urging Alexander to marry will be shown after his marriage to Roxane. “After he marries her, he has the relationship, now you bring the mother in, full blast - parallel – she’s telling him to get the throne, how to marry – he does everything opposite to what his mother says. And at that point, the movie reaches another level.”
Similarly, the mutiny scene will be paralleled with the murder of his father; Cleitus’ death with the banquet scene. And finally, “The greatest moment of all – which I think I blew – which is on the DVD – is when Alexander is mortally wounded. He rises above the trees and the last scene he sees of himself, is him and his mother. Where the mother doesn’t deny or accept the guilt --- ‘take the power it’s yours’….. He recognises in that moment how like his mother he is”
He is cutting down on Ptolemy’s narration – less history – “frankly they can go read it. I don’t mind a simpler approach.” (He says the studio wanted him to cut Ptolemy out of the movie and make it a first person voice over “what a disaster”)
He says of Alexander and Hephaistion's relationship; “I think I got carried away with the homosexuality because I wanted to reinforce the relationship, but I think the relationship is clear with less emphasis, as I will show you in the DVD.” He mentions the homophobia he encountered in English-speaking countries. “People mistake the homosexuality in Alexander with their own present day version of it, and it’s not similar…”
The interviewer then asks Stone, “How do you get people with 21st century eyes to see this; in a sense, this was a fact of his life. Don’t you feel that you have an obligation to keep that as part of his story? How do you resist even that kind of homophobia?”
Stone; “I didn’t - I put it in. The facts are, we do not know that he had… he became king at nineteen, you gave up your male lovers or you had them quietly…..(he mentions Greek male relationship conventions of the time)… I think that Alexander probably gave up his relationship with Hephaistion. If he had one, which I think he did. By that time, by the time they were in the field they were simply soulmates. They were lovers in the platonic sense of the word, as Aristotle laid out in the movie earlier on, ‘to love the other, to bring out the best in the other, not for any self-gain’ -which is a beautiful philosophical concept; that’s what I got hooked on. Unfortunately, perhaps too much for the American audience, and maybe the world audience. I think I could be a little bit more subtle there, but it’s an important point and I just didn’t want to lose it. Because the Greeks when very outside the Roman philosophy, the Greeks were sensual, they worshipped the body in the most positive sense…..”
But the Feria remains unchanged.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 March 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)
I really have to see this.
― Simon H. (Simon H.), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)
Angelina Jolie ruined every single scene she was in.
She was the only one who knew what she was doing! Chewing scenery as it if was cotton candy.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)
oddly, for such a colossally bad movie it is really pretty-looking. The colors in some shots are really gorgeous.
but damn, its baaaaaaaaaad. i wasn't quite prepared for the level of bad it reached. i mean, there are worse movies, but not many!
again, funny as hell though.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)
Also was anyone else disappointed that we didn't get to see Velvet Goldmine kill everyone (esp. the Rent chick) at the end Godfather-style?
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)
― Annabelle Lennox (Arachne), Thursday, 17 November 2005 03:19 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 November 2005 03:28 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)
And the blogosphere has reclaimed this (in its Final Cut version) as a masterpiece.
Moving Image Source
Also an interview with Stone
― Gukbe, Monday, 21 March 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)
Oh good lord.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 March 2011 03:17 (fourteen years ago)
A look beyond one’s knee-jerk responses to the representation of what might be deemed camp clichés of the epic movie form (British accents standing in for the Others; bold, oversized performances; a cast dressed in togas and golden armor; et al) ought to reveal that the movie is only as absurd and moth-eaten as a viewer wants it to be.
Damn that's some good crack he's swilling.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 March 2011 03:19 (fourteen years ago)
the movie is only as absurd and moth-eaten as a viewer wants it to be.
you have to admire the balls of that rejoinder
― the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Monday, 21 March 2011 03:20 (fourteen years ago)
'this movie is only a four hour sandy piece of shit because you WANTED IT TO BE'
always been fascinated by this movie, even though I really didn't like it. I think I should give The Final Cut a spin.
― Gukbe, Monday, 21 March 2011 03:26 (fourteen years ago)