What does it mean to "do windows"?

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I've heard this phrase numerous times, and I've never understood it. Don't laugh.

― Nowell (Nowell), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a drug thing. you're too young to know

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a sex thing. You have to find your Start button first.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

'Scuse me?

― Nowell (Nowell), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

To clean them, I would imagine, unless you've got a rather peculiar fetish.

― Nemo (JND), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I've never heard the phrase used when referring to clean windows...

― Nowell (Nowell), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

to wash them, inside and out. it is quite the pain the ass, very tough to get a streak free shine. therefore, no one wants to "do windows" except the very desperate. or perhaps those with obsessive compulsive disorder.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It means "I'm still a virgin because I don't have vaginal sex, but you can put it in my butt if you want."

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

― Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I aim to please.

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

There used to be an obnoxious Pine Sol ad in which a woman smugly declared that she did not "do windows or frost refrigerators." I always assumed that she didn't clean windows, but maybe she was referring to something even more degrading.

― Nemo (JND), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, the phrase originates in the monumental leaking of Bill Gates sex tapes on the internet a few years back, wherein he was heard to tell his (numerous) sex-partners to "do windows...that's it...DO WINDOWS...HARDER".

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I still don't know what it means..

― Nowell (Nowell), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

It means to clean windows, literally. It's a metaphor for anything that you don't consider part of your job description.

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh. Ok.

― Nowell (Nowell), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I never knew that, either!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

It's transparently obvious.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

WHAT THE HELL ELSE COULD IT MEAN?

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG THIS "EXPRESSION" MEANS WHAT IT LITERALLY SAYS, I AM SO BAFFLED!!!

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The metaphor bit, I mean.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

What does "omg" mean? How do you pronounce that? I've never heard it used.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

AHM-gee.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

wuhtffff.

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I love how now the Nowell threads are us pretending we don't know Nowell is Jon and Jon pretending that he doesn't know that we know that Nowell is Jon.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon being Nowell wouldn't make any sense, but maybe that's not the best criterion. I really don't have any trouble believing Nowell is a genuine 15 year old, given some of our 20 year olds.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I wouldn't otherwise believe it, but Jon never answered anyone directly about whether or not he was Nowell, and Nowell never took Nick's bait when he addressed her as Jon in that other thread. (I mean, c'mon, wouldn't she have said, "Who's Jon? What are you talking about?")

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

(But I also really want it to be true, because then Jon would be the awesomest person ever.)

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

nowell is a she? i thought it was a he.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Come on people, do you go to the theatre and say, 'That's not really Macbeth, that's an actor!' Suspend a little belief already.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I have trouble believing Nowell isn't either someone taking the piss or a really smart chimpanzee. But I'll play along, whatever.

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

For the record, I've always firmly believed that Aja is real and got kinda annoyed when people were still pinning that on Alex.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"Who's Jon? What are you talking about?"

Yeah wouldn't the real Nowell go on for ten screen about how we're all picking on her and everyone hates her? She instead avoids all talk regarding her identity. Nick is OTM.

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I think Nowell is Emilymv's now-unborn child time-traveling from 2019.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Aja, actually. I think she will grow up to be a pretty neat girl, even though her mom is nuts.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope my unborn child will understand what "doing windows" is at age 15. no offense, nowell.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

NOWELL IS THE REAL VIKTOR YUSHCHENKO

― TOMBOT, Friday, 19 November 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The only thing that doesn't make sense, though -- and someone else brought this up, I forget who -- is that for Jon to have accidentally posted as Nowell under his own log-in, he would've had to type out Nowell's name. Which he wouldn't have to do if he was using "her" log-in. And which would make it less plausible for him to just accidentally forget who he was logged in as.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I considered that as well. It's maybe not Jon, but it's not a 15-yr-old girl. There's too much wrong with that. Like her starting threads about how the age of consent should be lowered.

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

At the same time, there's so much white noise, too. Like, this thread, wtf? What would be the point for someone trying to pull one over on us to start a thread like this?

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That's what I meant about it not making sense (that's one thing I meant, anyway, I'm not sure anyone caught my sly wit with "Jon has more imagination than to pretend to be young and lack social skills"). Jon's question was obviously a parody of Nowell's, and why would you create a persona and then parody it? Why would even JON do that?

I haven't gone all Nero Wolfe on it or anything, and if it turns out Nowell is Kenan or Trayce or J0hn Darnielle is back with a brand new bag, I won't faint away with the vapors. I just haven't seen any reason to assume Nowell isn't Nowell.

(I've also missed most of her presence here, and she had obviously become some kind of running joke/shut-the-fuck-up target before I started reading ILE again.)

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there's a huge package of expectation lumped onto anyone under 17 here. No one ever bothers talking about what would or wouldn't be normal or suspicious from a 22 year old, despite the "I'm so old" laments from people who just learned to grow beards. 15 year olds aren't pre-human, they're just slightly more naive and less articulate 18 year olds, and they come in more than one model.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, you haven't been around. Nowell is hysterical, self-obsessed, completely neurotic, thick as a load-bearing wall, and very tiresome.

WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE ME? I MUST START MY TENTH THREAD OF THE DAY ABOUT HOW EVERYONE HATES ME. STOP TALKING ABOUT ME! WHEN YOU SAID I WAS OKAY, YOU REALLY MEANT YOU ARE COMING RIGHT NOW TO KILL ME, DIDN'T YOU?!

It feels kinda like someone yanking everyone's chain just to see how far our sympathy will stretch before we all go, "Oh hush, you."

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

And so I have decided that from now on , my first response to Nowell will involve teh buttfucking.

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I caught at least one of those in a thread revival, I think -- I thought Nowell was Aja at first. Doesn't that pretty much sound like a lot of teenagers, though? Hell, it sounds like a lot of college students, just not many of the ones that post here.

I don't know, I might have a totally different impression once I've seen more of her.

(That is not a request for the Rough Guide to Nowell.)

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd be interested to know what Maria thought of all this, being fairly together and articulate for a human being, never mind a teenaged one.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Or Curtis, for that matter. (Which makes the second time this week I've brought up his age, bah.)

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Like Tep said, they come in more than one model.

Doesn't that pretty much sound like a lot of teenagers, though? Hell, it sounds like a lot of college students

Yeah, i know, of course it does, and this is the first thing people always say. I say, boy that kid is an annoying brat, and they say, You've forgotten what it's like to be a teenager! or something equivalent. Thing is, no I haven't. I was a terrible little snot of a teenager, an insufferable 15-year-old, which means that no one suffered me gladly.

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I'm not saying she should be welcomed with open arms! Fuck no. Card her and kick her to the curb. I'm not in my grandparents' living room having cookies and opening presents, I feel no compunction to be polite to someone simply because they're stupid by virtue of their character arc instead of a permanent deficiency. Nowell -- and Aja -- should no more expect people ten years older than them to be interested in catering to their compulsive questions than they would be in those of 10 year olds.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

compulsion, not compunction. I am making fruitcake.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Cool. I didn't know anyone did that anymore.

― Kenan (kenan), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Skipping 166 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

also, when I reformatted my HD last I was too lazy to reinstall firefox.

Buh.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

what, you don't have manic days sometimes, tep?

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Usually they wind up with me cooking or working more, but sure -- but I can only judge by what I see. I take back the fuckwad remark, though, there was no real reason for that.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, you probably know the iframe thing isn't supported in general, but the main page in your frameset there is a document with no <html> and <head> tags. Also, you got a table that opens and never gets closed, and you're closing a table row before the table column in it...

Those are the ones that stick out on a quick glance.

I totally know what it's like to not want to bother though.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Sigh. Ever had an actual clinically diagnosed manic day?

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

THOSE usually end up with me cooking more, too.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

man
I should really stop using notepad and get a text editor with some markup colouring.
that would at least help me close my tags, ha.

thanks for pointing those out, though.
I'm a lazy bastard about the html and head tags. It doesn't help that every site at my university has SSIs for the header and footer, so I never have to worry about any of that.

Maybe I'll take the 2 minutes to dig up the page and fix those.
Maybe.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I can only imagine that those suck even more, though.

Although I refuse to put any faith in modern psychology/psychiatry.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah.... Cooking for your 12 apostles and preparing to be crucified.

Or deciding you're going to win Iron Chef even though you're not on the show and even if you were in the same city it's a fucking rerun but it doesn't matter because you think you're a prophet and indestructible and fuck of course I quit taking the medication because it made me feel dead and this is who I really am!

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

that was an xpost to tep

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, I love Iron Chef.

The real one, not that imposter crap with Bill Shatner.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

That's pretty much ... well, no, not quite like that. I don't want to get into the whole thing, but more than once I ended up going out at three in the morning to get eggs because I had to make a cake right that very instant, or what have you. Not that that kind of manic day is anything to complain about much, of course.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Although I refuse to put any faith in modern psychology/psychiatry.

That statement officially gets you my Asshat of the Day award.

The fact that I'm even around to give an Asshat award every day is a testament to modern psychiatry and psychology. And people wonder why I get slightly annoyed by colloquial use of the term "Manic Depressive..."

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't worry though... I sometimes award myself Asshat of the Day.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure it's quite the same thing, but sometimes I just like
HAVE
to take a walk in the middle of the night.
Ususally several miles through parts of town I've never been to.

also, I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate ailments and good doctors in the field, I'm just a little turned off by the modern trend of overprescribing medications to a lot of people who don't need them.

I'm mainly afraid if I did ever go to one I'd get one of the shitty ones who'd insist I go on medication without trying to figure out if there was anything else that could be done.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

and yeah, I partake in much asshatery on a daily basis.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Tri, your mom never warned you about the baby and the bathwater thing, did she?

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no idea what you're talking about.
My mother offered very little sound advice to me growing up, though.
So no.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

If by "legitimate ailment" you mean "chronic mental illness," then right on brother, I think you got my point.

I dunno about the overprescribing thing... For the most part shit like Prozac is harmless. The only net bad result is that people who really need it wind up getting taken less seriously because "So what Johnny's on Prozac... Everybody's on Prozac."

But whatever... This is one of those things I don't like getting too talky about on a regular basis on account of sometimes it really bugs me. (And ha, if you look closely you'll notice that I'm removing myself from a potentially stressful and unneccessary situation which is something most people in therapy eventually train themselves to do to improve their lives.)

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Also there's this fucking 15 minute long Wilco song in my headphones now, and I'm trying to remember why I haven't skipped past it yet cause it sucks.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I do think psych drugs are overprescribed, but that doesn't mean they aren't helpful and life-changing to many, many people
My friend has social anxiety and moderate OCD (he picks the skin off around his fingernails). A few years ago, he went to a psychiatrist for help. The doctor talked to him for about 5 minutes, prescribed him drugs, and said "NEXT!". After about a year or so, the side effects (dizzy spells and generally feeling drugged up/not himself), he decided to stop taking them. Didn't even go cold turkey, yet still experience very unpleasant withdrawal symptoms. These are serious drugs, and they should be treated as such.
The brain is such a finely balance piece of equipment, and human knowledge of it is so limited, that meddling with its chemicals should only be done after other options are exhausted.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

god my brain is mush right about now. (so much so that I typed "my brain is much..." at first)

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I agree, and further I don't think there is anything really that should be treated with drugs alone (like the prescribe and call for the next patient method you mention). However, a lot of times drugs are required to get the person into a state of mind where therapy can do any good at all. Cause one thing the brain does well, even when it's wired funny, is adapt. Most of the time that means the people suffering from a problem, even when the may have an idea that there's a problem, figure out ways to lie to themselves about its severity and completely miss or misjudge how it's actually affecting their lives.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

And for that matter, if you live with OCD or ADD or Bipolar or Unipolar disorder, you really get used to it even as it's making your life miserable. Like, before I finally got good treatment and changed my outlook re: needing and accepting treatment, it was hard for me to imagine what life would be like not being strung tighter than a fucking banjo all the time. I'm still getting used to it even, and I've had the thing "under control" (to different degrees) with meds, therapy and life changes for years now.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think there is anything really that should be treated with drugs alone

Exactly.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I think I pretty much agree with everything you both just said.

I might not have articulated it well enough, but that's essentially the gist of what I believe.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll out myself as a drugs-alone patient, but only because I don't think my situation is representative, and I'm not advocating it as a default treatment approach. I even put myself in therapy because of that, and wound up not having anything to talk about, and eventually we just decided we'd said all there was to say about it. And I have the periodic appointments to check in, obviously, three times a year.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

(Maybe that's not strictly "drugs alone." But I certainly don't think I qualify as "in therapy," either.)

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

But you did try therapy, at least. If it didn't work for you, then it didn't work. All that matters is you get the best results with the least amoung of negative side effects.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

That's how I see it, yeah, I was just putting it out there. I agree with what y'all have said as far as what the initial approach should be, the perspective patient and doctor should start from. From there, you whittle.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I usually say that drugs should be a last resort, but Martin's right: oftentimes they're needed as a first step, in order to make one receptive to conventional therapy.

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Exactly... And the thing is if you're agreeable to therapy then you're really never "out" of it. I mean if something in your life is really fucking with your emotions (and let's face it that happens to everyone, not just the ones on mood stabilizers or antidepressants), then hey, go see your therapist every other week for a few months if it helps. When you're handling things better, go back to the 3 times a year thing.

The best therapists I've dealt with will sometimes say stuff like "It really seems like you're doing well... It's up to you if you want to come back next week or in two months or whenever you think you need it."

Hell, the most common thing I think the therapy is great for (even though I'm kind of done with this particular issue myself) is adjusting someone to the idea that they've gotta take pills every day to be normal. Cause jesus that's a really hard thing to swallow and it just does not sound like your life is gonna get better because of it.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

PS I love these threads that are nothing but 4 or 5 huge derails in a row.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, now I feel bad for being flippant earlier. :-(

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned you were flippant before we turned all serious and shit.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Preflipping. Anyway, the Meatmen are making me feel happy! (In a way.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 20 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I am listening to Psychopharmacology though weirdly it is not consciously because of this discussion. I just had an overwhelming urge to hear "Get Out of My Head" and decided to listen to the whole album.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Either ILE is really prone to these multi-derails lately (the infamous fleshlight thread that actually avoided the couple of derails I was sure it would take and still took a lot), or I'm just reading a disproportionate amount of them.

So anyway yeah, fruitcake. It came out pretty good!

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never eaten fruitcake. Are there specific fruits that are always in it, or can it vary?

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Num! Tep, just create a book so I can catch up with all the recipes. (Oh, I keep meaning to write you and I will, I shall help cheer up yer spirits after that book cancellation thing you got shafted with.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

It can vary, but lemon and cherries are pretty standard, I think (both of them candied). This one's got orange, citron, and pineapple, too -- mostly pineapple -- and a small amount of walnuts and a lot of white chocolate. I'm a fruitcake novice; never liked the ones I tried, so didn't try many. We'll see how this one is next week after it's mingled a bit more and soaked up some booze.

xpost; I'm doing another cookbook for this Christmas called How I Done What I Did, so fear not

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

*merry*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I get jealous of you Tep because the knowledge I have with which I could compile a book for others is not on a subject so interesting and enticing to most folks.

I mean I personally think the difference between hard-clipping and soft-clipping devices is pretty damned cool, and Simple Distortion and Overdrive Pedals for Daily Rocking would make a great first chapter before I get into more complex effects like phasers and whatnot, but still...

Everybody eats. That's the thing. That's where you really made a wise business model early on.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Indeed. And so often I lack the patience to properly cook! Oh well.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, except I don't do it for money, is the problem. And I think I'd hate to do so -- I resisted the urge to make my protagonist in my story at the moment a writer, so I made him a chef instead, and all he can think about is how much he hates the restaurant business.

Cooking costs me money, if anything (what is this "if"?) -- I spent $40 on sheep's milk butter today, half-impulsively and half-accidentally.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

And so often I lack the patience to properly cook!

But see, that's what Tep is banking on. Then his book swoops down to help, and he's a hero!

I can only help those who already know how to solder but lack the patience to properly rock!

My hobby costs money too... The only way I earn any on it is to buy vintage non-working pedals on ebay, restore them to working order and turn around and resell them. Problem is 90% of the time I'm like "Holy shit that sounds cool! Must... own... Yes I believe I can justify owning 26 phasers just as easily as I justified owning 25..."

I need to start buying and fixing more vintage amps cause the profit margins on those are much bigger and because I am far less likely to talk myself out of selling an item that will take up a lot more space in the studio or the workshop.

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost) Bold! I've mentioned my friend's garden before -- it helps with providing things like peppers and basil even during the quiet months like now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Someday I will actually produce a small run of original effects and attempt to sell them, probably on ebay, to see if I can create a small brand recognition. There are a lot of little one-person outfits doing that kind of thing. Problem is it's a lot like the entertainment business... You've got to have a hit. One recognized musician decides your pedal is the shit and says it publicly, somebody sees one of your pedals on Joe Rockstar's pedalboard, or somehow a buzz gets started about it, and then you're set to make a little extra you can almost depend on for a bit. Before that, you're just another guy making stompboxes in the garage even if you have a degree in engineering...

― martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds a lot like writing, only less formalized, I guess -- or how I imagine a lot of the restaurant business works.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

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