My question, however, is this: why is the namecheck/shout-out/whatever so prevalent in hip-hop (and jazz, too...) and not rock? Or rather, why does hip-hop encourage and applaud the (re-)citation of obscure (and not so obscure) lyrics/choruses/etc. while rock avoids it? I mean, the only rock song I can think of off-hand (read: 30sec of thought, here) is Built to Spill's "You Were Right." I'm sure there's more (what are they!).
But still: why? Is it even important? Am I totally wrong? How many beers can I pound before someone says the R-word? What's wrong with this horse and why doesn't it move when I hit it with this stick?
Full disclosure: I haven't heard the Lloyd Banks song/lyric in question. I really like hip-hop, but have only recently begun to realize that it's something I would have gone apeshit for as a kid (I grew up in rural MN=no rap). Why? Because I collected comics like some of y'all collect rappers (and all the attendant minutiae). I love the casual display of deep and useless knowledge.
Anyway. Discuss.
― giboyeux (skowly), Sunday, 21 November 2004 06:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― don't blame me, i voted for buford pusser (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 21 November 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kenan (kenan), Sunday, 21 November 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― don't blame me, i voted for buford pusser (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 21 November 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― don't blame me, i voted for buford pusser (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 21 November 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)
plus, folk! everyone plays the same trad melodies, everyone reinterprets the murder ballads or the songs of the bards & stuff. reeeeeemiiixxxxx. western culture! copyleft!
where does the beastie boys interpolating the beatles & dylan until the litigation started fit into this? is it rock?
― autovac (autovac), Sunday, 21 November 2004 10:28 (twenty-one years ago)
I never claimed he invented it. Just a good use of a classic cliche.
His involvement in the creation of the lyric mattered not.
His USE of the lyric, however, was quite ingenious, and on "I'm So Fly" he DID sound cooler than the other side of the pillow.
Finally - as I said in the parallel ILM thread, hip-hop is about as self-referential as jazz - quoting pop songs, other artists, lyrical licks etc. I don't think the rest of pop music is self-referential to the degree that hip-hop and jazz are.
― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 21 November 2004 10:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― mucho, Sunday, 21 November 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Sunday, 21 November 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/News/9812/07/showbuzz/rucker.jpg
― miccio (miccio), Monday, 22 November 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)