ATTN MINNESOTANS: Don't go to Wisconsin; it will make you homicidal

Chilling, Dan.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

melted?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

SEE LOOK WHAT HAPPENS

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Did your family make you go to the House on the Rock, Dan, for Turkey day fun?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, did your family make you go to the House on the Rock for Turkey day fun?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Whew, I was afraid this was going to be a Sarah or n/a thread.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

So are you just going to leave it like that? Clean up your mess, eh?

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(original post)

WHAT THE FUCK is going on here????

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Although they're not Minnesotans.

And HEY, I usually have at least one homicidal moment when I go to Minnesota, as I did this weekend. 99% of these are related to driving and drivers.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 22 November 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha - I went to House on the Rock last year. I was in the area for an all-day Taliesin tour, but you gotta do House on the Rock if you're around there. It's ridiculously overpriced, though.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked Wisconsin a lot but driving back yesterday we passed several trucks with dead deer just hanging out the back, not covered up or anything.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

How immodest!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe they were all dressed in tawny coats and wearing antler hats. In which case, he would merely be over his limit.

― briania (briania), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Wisconsin has some kookiness about it. It's the home of Ed Gein.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

And Dahmer, don't sell us short now.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah - forgot about that. And American Movie, which is a very Wisconsin movie.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

(my grandparents had a tavern up in rural Wisconsin - so it's coming from love of the place)

― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw this in the video store the other day. Mike & Mark from American Movie starring in a Britney Spears look-a-like contest road movie, WTF?!

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

That looks bizarre.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

The Giant Spider Invasion, as riffed on by MST3K, now strikes me as more of a documentary.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I just looked up that movie - it looks hilarious.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Wisconsin is full of weird-ass museums and other tourist oddities.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I just looked up that movie - it looks hilarious.

Allegedly the Wisconsin MST3K contingent delivered various threats to Best Brains following the episode. Threats delivered in jest. We hope.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

And while I'm thinking about it, "PACKERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, there is a place called the Bong Recreation Area.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry, the bong recreation area is wherever I want it to be.

I have emergency instructions that come with me and they are IF THIS PERSON EVER AGREES TO GO TO WISCONSIN DELLS, SHOOT HER NOW. JUST TAKE HER TO A FIELD AND GET IT OVER WITH.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

GO TO THE DELLS, RIDE THE DUCKS!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

WE PASSED THE BONG RECREATION AREA YESTERDAY ROFFLE!

But I really liked Milwaukee and Madison. Though I only saw like three blocks of Milwaukee, but it was very pleasent and felt comfortable. And oh my god, the rents there! We looked at some apartment ads, and a two-bedroom apt. with two parking spaces = $550! Holy cow! And Madison is really nice, it seems like a total college town from what I saw, and just felt really relaxed and cool.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

why, suzy?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

On the way to the Dells, we passed by that Circus Museum place in Baraboo. Creepy-looking.

― briania (briania), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw a couple creepy fixtures on my drive through the Dells this weekend. I have a sort of smarmy fantasy about going to stay at the Kalahari Resort (WORLD'S BIGGEST INDOOR WATERSLIDES, and they sell ALCOHOL there) for a night.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

We were sooo close to going to Noah's Ark last summer, but we decided against it. I mean, after a while all those water slides must start merging together, and what's the use of having two different wave pools?

― Dan I., Monday, 22 November 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

this is extraordinarily fucked up. there's no motive. either the shooter is just nuts, or...

― g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i love the wisconsin dells! granted, i was like 11 or so last time i went.. but.. yeah, fun!

― jill schoelen is the queen of my dreams! (Homosexual II), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

noah's ark was fantastic.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ha friends of mine took a weekend trip to noah's ark, but i had skool. i totally would have gone!

― g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

rjg: waterslides and murder on this thread only please.

― g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I am talking about waterslides, do you want murdering?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

no, say more about waterslides. i didn't go. what did i miss?

― g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I almost drowned in the wave pool at Noah's Ark when I was a kid.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, so the reason they have two wave pools is so they can always have one in operation while they fish the corpses of drowned children from the other.

― Dan I., Monday, 22 November 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

we went down a lot of slides and screamed and ate giant pretzels and drank beer.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

the dells rocks.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

On the hunting thing, why do people always say, "This kind of thing just doesn't happen around here"? Like there's someplace else that a guy shooting five people in a dispute over a deer stand is just common everyday stuff? It doesn't happen anywhere, lady! That's why you're on CNN!

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The Bong Recreation area is nice, but they charge an arm & a leg to get in there. I didn't see any hippies or anything.

The Circus Museum was a disappointment - it was all sanitized and not 'creepy' at all and also overpriced. I did see an exhibit of circus uniforms, though, and the circus wagons were cool.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

the milwaukee journal-sentinel says this:

Vang was armed with an SKS semiautomatic assault rifle, a weapon that's similar to a 30.06 but seldom used by deer hunters, Zeigle said.

Authorities said the rampage started after a hunting party saw a hunter they didn't know occupying their tree stand. That led to a confrontation, and at least one of the group was shot and wounded. One victim used a walkie-talkie to call for help, but when other hunting partners came to the scene, they also were shot, Zeigle said.

The victims began to scatter and run from their attacker who pursued them like "a sniper," Zeigle said. The three who were wounded managed to walk or run to safety, while the victims shot to death were found scattered across roughly 100 yards.

All five were dead by the time authorities arrived.

"It was like he was chasing after them to kill them. The bodies were a long way from one another," Zeigle said.

Authorities, who were trying to determine how many shots were fired, didn't know if any of the victims were able to fire back.

― g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

On a (somewhat) lighter note, the Chicago Sun-Times article about this incident included this doozy of a sentence: "The dead included four males, including a teenage boy and a woman, Zeigle said."

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Vang was framed; the deer are armed and coming for revenge.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.pearl.de/images/large/rk-2366.jpg

― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.wisconsindeathtrip.com/

― J (Jay), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, god, Wisconsin Death Trip. That book creeped me out for YEARS when I discovered it as a kid. I've never seen the movie -- any witnesses?

― briania (briania), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

why is there an asian in wisconson?

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

He came from the Twin Cities.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe his name was Van Gundy and he likes to abbreviate it

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Monday, 22 November 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

why is there an asian in wisconson?
-- trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhe...), November 22nd, 2004.

There has been a huge influx of Hmong refugees into Minnesota and Wisconsin in the last few years.

Not that this murderer guy was Hmong, I haven't heard exactly what his specific ethnicity is, but Asians in the Upper Midwest are not a rare occurance anymore.

― j.m. lockery (j.m. lockery), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a good tobias wolf short story that's a bit like this

― ££££"£31313, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha! The one that ends in the pancake house!

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Not that this murderer guy was Hmong, I haven't heard exactly what his specific ethnicity is, but Asians in the Upper Midwest are not a rare occurance anymore.

IIRC, Asians in the Twin Cities haven't been a rare occurence since the 70s.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh great: cue another round of 'latently' racist Hmong horror stories from my mom's best friend who works for St. Paul social services (this is a popular koffee-klatsch conversation every time they get together). Argh. I shall not elaborate.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

and here I thought the midwest was whitewashed

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Going there and having a little look-see often dispels silly myths like that.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh boy, will Tom Barnard have a field day with this one.

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

(an exile speaks)

Splain, Lucy. Who is Tom Barnard?

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

KQRS Morning Show DJ who gained infamy a few years back for bitching about how Hmong people should "conform or get the hell out". Granted, it was in response to a murder/suicide (if memory serves correctly) but feh, typical conservatarian "being anti-PC is a good substitute for being actually funny" garbage

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Minneapolis also has the largest Somali population in the country.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

And a sizeable Ethiopian populace (at least sizeable enough to necessitate at least one super-kickass restaurant right in the midst of one of St. Paul's busiest commercial neighborhoods)

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

("Minneapolis" in this case being a stand-in for "also St. Paul which is good because hey guess what we have a better sports arena")

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, this guy certainly went nuts.

But this quote is revealing.

``It's pathetic. They let all these foreigners in here, and they walk all over everybody's property,'' said Jim Arneberg, owner of the Haugen Inn in nearby Haugen.

One Hmong guy approached by 5 white hunters might shed some light on why he snapped.

― supercub, Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Exactly, supercub.

Oh, I remember Bryant now. I hope M3i Y0ung (my HS classmate and the new-bands KQ DJ) kicked him in the nutzack for that; we can but dream. BTW the only time I have seen my dad in the past 5 years he told a joke against Somali taxi drivers. Like, we already hate his guts and that's the first thing he says. Twat. They didn't raise me to even think that shit and yet they're full of it now.

Twin Cities have huge Hmong, Russian Jewish, other Viet, Somali, Ethiopian, and Mexican immigrant populations. When I hear them complained about I just think Twin Cities, these are your immigrants, and please don't give me that bullshit about nobody giving your great-grandparents handouts. In many cases the government gave those ancestors PROPERTY taken from NATIVES and you begrudge the new arrivals welfare of any kind. That's fair, how? That's not pulling up the ladder, how?

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

there's good ethiopian in st paul? dammit, i try so hard not to go there, the last time i got pulled over...

like all of us, i have no clue what happened here, but a quintuple murder seems like such a stretch to have come from, as the milwaukee paper says, a "confrontation."

― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Vang, who emigrated from Laos and is believed to have had some military training in either Laos or the United States, again got lost until he came upon two other deer hunters.

With police and game wardens fanning through the local woods, the two hunters knew that authorities were looking for Vang, and drove him out of the woods.

― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

^^ from the milwaukee journal-sentinel again:

from abc: Police identified the shooter as Chai Vang, 36, a hunter from St. Paul, Minn., who is a member of the Twin Cities' Hmong community. While authorities do not know why he allegedly opened fire, there have been previous clashes between Southeast Asian and white hunters in the region.

Locals have complained that the Hmong, refugees from Laos, do not understand the concept of private property and hunt wherever they see fit. In Minnesota, a fistfight once broke out after Hmong hunters crossed onto private land, said Ilean Her, director of the St. Paul-based Council on Asian Pacific Minnesotans.

The suspect was described by acquaintenaces and family members as an avid hunter who has never been prone to blowing up. "He is a reasonable person," his younger brother, Sang Vang, said. "I still don't believe it. He is one of the nicest persons. I don't believe he could do that. We are so devastated right now."

― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(remove colon after "again")

― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

oh boy, here we go

According to the documents, this is what Vang told investigators:

He was lost in the woods and climbed into an unoccupied deer stand. After about 15 minutes, another hunter came upon the scene, told Vang he was on private property and told him to leave. The man summoned his friends via radio. Others showed up, surrounded Vang and started using racial epithets.

Vang said only one of the people confronting him was armed. Vang said that as he turned to leave, he saw the man with the gun point it at him. Then, Vang said the man fired at him from about 100 feet, with the bullet hitting the ground about 30 feet behind. Vang said he knelt and fired twice. The man dropped...

― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

(indicentally, this is only ile thread with "homicidal" in the title, surprisingly enough)

― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

...if anyone's interested: Minnepop's got the second largest Tibetan refugee population in the world outside of India.

― giboyeux (skowly), Sunday, 28 November 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"Minnepop"?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 28 November 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

We say "pop." You say "soda."

― giboyeux (skowly), Sunday, 28 November 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh. I had never heard that one before.

Acually, I would call it "Minnecoke" then.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 29 November 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

oh well you must be from the south then, huh.

― giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 29 November 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I am. It's the only reason why I can't touch lutefisk.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 29 November 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I can think of PLENTY of reasons not to touch lutefisk.

For starters: it's lutefisk.

― giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 29 November 2004 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.marileecody.com/eliz1-lute.jpg + http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/mlb/2000/0721/photo/a_cf.jpg = I don't know what you're talking about.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 29 November 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

madison, REPRAZENT!

― reo, Monday, 29 November 2004 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)