First day at a new job... and where is your job?

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Arrrggghhhhh!!!

Someone made a big boo-boo with the timing and all.

I wrote up my proposal/job description last week, mailed it off to my boss, and basically agreed I'd start 1st December, dependent on the MD signing it off. So I go in this morning, and everyone looks at me like I'm from Mars and all "what are you doing here today?" wondering what the heck I'm doing there.

Uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh...

OK, after frantically calling my boss at home and trying to figure out what's going on, it transpires that she claims she has the timing wrong, and believed that I was starting next week.

Then she rang back and said that the MD wants me to write a proposal for a *permanent* position. I'm beginning to wonder if this is just flake city and I should just start to look elsewhere.

What is going on around here?

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:18 (twenty years ago)

Ugh, they sound crap - but give them a chance, I guess, while you've got a short notice period. And keep looking for other jobs in the meantime, obv.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:22 (twenty years ago)

This is so frustrating, because the way they are talking, it sounds like the idea thing - i.e. permanent part-time flexi time where I can work from home if I want.

But if something sounds too perfect, that means it can't possibly be true? Hence the flakiness?

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Where I am, they had a start date, three weeks in the future. And then rang me to ask me to start in two days. So, no celebratory shopping spree uptown after all.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago)

What annoys me most is that the job is in bloody EPSOM. It's not that bad to get there, but it does cost me £5 to go in. My boss said she would reimburse me for going in today, but still. I don't mind flakiness when it's a 70p busride away, but this annoys me.

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago)

kate, you don't have much to lose by giving them a try...you can do it for a month or two and see how you like it, and if they suck you can just find something else.

my job is annoying today because i'm running around getting stuff for the AGM in a few minutes, and just busted my boss playing solitaire. so now i don't feel bad about slacking on ILX for a little while. sigh.

colette (a2lette), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago)

EPSOM! You'll have to brave the SUBURBS Kate!

Just go in and try and make sense of it when you get to know them better.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

I think confusion over starting dates is really common. For some people, sorting out new staff is something they don't have to do very frequently hence the flakiness when it does happen. Also, diff depts involved and having to communicate ie. HR and line manager = trouble.

I wouldn't write them off yet, esp if they can offer you exactly the kind of working practices you want!

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

It could be a one-off bit of crap communication on their part, not necessarily a systemic thing. And anyway if all their systems were in order they wouldn't need you... kinda.

How different does your permanent proposal thing have to be from the one you've already done?

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago)

I have a lot to loose if I keep bloody going in there, and the job never materialises. Not only do I lose time, hanging around waiting for them to sort their sh*t out, but I also lose money every bloody day I go in!

I've just got the fear now...

x-x-x-post

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago)

My friend has just stopped commuting between Epsom and Brighton. It was teh evil, apparently.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago)

First day on my current temp assignment: I report in at the same time as a gal from the same agency -- we're both filling the same slot. The plant manager gives us a tour of the place, asks us if we have any questions. I'm diligent, taking notes, inquiring about job duties & the product line, etc. Miss Thing, meanwhile, is using both hands to adjust her tongue stud, pausing to ask her only question: "Um, when do we get a smoke break?"

Months later, we're both still here, but I'm on my way out, and she will probably be hired full-time. Her uncle's a foreman, she's a local, and she's cute.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago)

I'm hoping that it is a one-off. I've worked for my immediate boss before, and she is great, utterly reliable, I really trust her, and also I just plain like her.

It's the rest of the firm that I'm not really sure about. It's a brand new startup, hence the flakiness. She's only just started there herself, and she kind of said "don't start doing any work for them until you've got a contract signed" which kind of made me nervous, but I understand that, after the last place we both worked for.

Anyway. The ongoing role isn't really much different from what I'd be doing short term, just administering the database and reports that I'd be designing for them short term, plus taking over their website as well, which I'm kind of excited about.

Discovered that they aren't staying in Epsom, either, which is good news, since there's nothing there but a marketplace (no market), a gigantic scary shopping mall and The Albion: Fancy A Fite? Pub.

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago)

x-post... yeah, temp jobs I'm used to all kinds of craziness and usually bring a book because half the time it involves sitting in HR while someone rings round asking "who ordered the temp?" like you're an unwanted chinese takeaway. Sigh.

Permanent roles, I'm used to getting there and them not having a desk or a computer or whatnot, but not even having a *job*? That's a new one!

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago)

asking "who ordered the temp?" like you're an unwanted chinese takeaway. Sigh.

I had two months of that, back in the city...
The book was a biog of Peter Perret, amongst other things.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Considering my job as I know it is going to disappear in two days time I'd rather not even think about it.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Well, at least it's just plain disappearing, not being handed off to someone less competent and higher paid than yourself... (not that I'm bitter oh no...)

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Kate, as far as I can tell it's one error of communication. If the job sounds perfect, well, it won't be, but it'll probably be pretty good. And you know for a fact you like, trust and respect your boss, which is really rare and absolutely invaluable.

And surely, if you work a few days and then there isn't a job, well, you still get paid for the days you did work, no? If all you're worrying about is a few £5 train tickets then it sounds like a reasonable investment in something that could work out very very well.

Stop fretting love :)

Jesus Christ, Paraplegic (Mark C), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago)

When you're a freelancer, without a contract, you get paid jack sh*t.

If I can't get it documented that I was there, was asked to do stuff, did stuff, and got it signed off, then I don't even get paid for my time, let alone reimbursed for expenses.

I mean surely it's better to fret over something I can control, such as whether I have a job, than things I can't control such as my depressing utter lack of a lovelife or any life indeed at all.

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Why fret at all my dear? Hakuna whatever, as they say.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago)

WHAT IS LIFE WITHOUT SOMETHING TO FRET ABOUT?!?!?

If I didn't give my brain something to chew on, it would eat itself.

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Keep your train tickets/receipts. If there's no job after all, you can claim for the journeys. You probably won't need to after all, but at least in the meantime you'll feel like you've some control over that.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago)

If there's no job, who am I going to claim the money off?

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago)

So Kate, are you saying these people will barefacedly lie about you having worked these days? Send a friendly one an email to get it in writing that they acknowlegde you worked.

Actually, going by your last post, I don't understand. You worked for *someone*, surely??

Jesus Christ, Paraplegic (Mark C), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I mean the people who promised you a job. What Mark said.

beanz (beanz), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:49 (twenty years ago)

I got to go to Online Exhibition today, my feet hurt.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Sigh. I don't seem to be expressing myself very well... the person who has offered me the job is a contract worker herself. Unless I get things signed off by the managing director, there's nothing at all to prove that I worked for them.

Anyway... my boss sent through a contract or two, but I'm not sure which, if either, I'm supposed to sign, or what I'm supposed to do with them. I don't even have a printer. Argh.

The Grain of Sand in Lambeth That Satan Cannot Find (kate), Thursday, 2 December 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
OK, I guess I'll just revive this thread instead of starting a new one.

I went to a meeting with the Managing Director, about the continuance of my role. I thought they were going to offer me the lamest of lame administerial jobs based on the job spec I was given on Friday. But they've offered me, like, the most super-hot-amazing-difficult-complicated Systems Analysis role.

I'm really overwhelmed and a bit scared. This is the sort of thing I've always thought that I could do, given half a chance. I just don't know if I have the confidence to take it on right now. God, confidence, where are you when I need you?

It's an amazing role. I just think it's too good for me. (God, does this sound familiar?) And I'm scared I'm going to f*ck it up.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

1. Ah, well done you! You're WAY too brainy for lower jobs!

2. Self-Esteem 1 Vague feelings of inadequacy 0

3. Yes, it does sound familiar. You won't fu(k it up, you're way too good.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Monday, 31 January 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

I wish I could view this as a huge boost for my confidence. It's just the same thing as what f*cked up that stupid pseudo-relationship type thing. Instead of viewing it as a boost for my confidence, I just think "Oh my god, I don't deserve this, I will get found out for not being good enough" and end up self sabotauging and being *more* freaked out and confused rather than less.

I just tongue-tied my way through the interview because I didn't have the confidence to say "I can do this with my hands tied behind my back". But the MD thinks I'm "An Enigma" and that added to the mystery or something. Argh.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

They wouldn't have given you the job if they didn't think you could do it. Well done!

Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

I *would* be able to do it, if I am able to quell the utter sense of panic rising in the pit of my stomach.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Nice one! You might not be able to do it immediately because of rising panic but after you've been on ilx for an hour the panic will recede and it'll seem like any other do-able job.

beanz (beanz), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

I am actually starting to wonder if I should go to a doctor and get some kind of anti-depressant or other medication because these rising-panic situations are starting to become far more frequent, and are actually interfering with my life.

F*cking up a relationship because of insecurity leading to physical anxiety attacks, I'm used to that. But f*cking up a job, that's a different story.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Kate, you'll have a settling in period in any event so you don't need to be perfect from the get-go. Maybe a trip to a doc is advisable, even if they just tell you you don't need medication.

Well done though!!

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

Congratulations (despite your ambivalence it's good news)! Like the self-esteem thing in general, take the job one day at a time. One MINUTE at a time. Just think about getting there and doing the first thing you have to do, then the second thing etc. Don't think about it at all beyond the sum of its parts.

I'm not sure what your thoughts are about homeopathy/alternative medicine, but homeopathic treatment has helped me in the past (specifically with panic attacks) and will be less drastic for your system than anti-depressants.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

But I *have* to think of it as more than the sum of its parts, because that is what the very nature of a Systems Analyst is! I mean, in a lot of ways, that's what makes it the perfect job because it involves both an obsession with the devilish details, and an ability to see the big picture and every possible permutation of possibility.

So, in a weird way, my utter neurosis makes this the perfect job *for* me. Because that is exactly what I do, all the time, is over-analyse, and that's what they need. Someone to over-analyse.

I just wish I could stop the anxiety.

Maybe you're right about other, more holistic sides to it. This being that kind of a company, it might help me out to say "look, in order to understand the program, I've got to *do* the program" and see if there are any obvious solutions there.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Maybe that's what got you the job - they said to themsleves "Ah ha, there's a neurotic self-doubt-filled being, we can get her to take her frustrations out on the job!"

Johnney B (Johnney B), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Yes, cause I am an Eggnigima and all.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

congrats, kate! sounds like a great opportunity for you to do something interesting and really get your teeth into it.

my advice is a bit different, and could be read as flip or even rude, maybe. it's not intended like that. but, to the original question about not feeling like you can do it, i guess i say just give it a try, and if you completely blow it, you blow it. there's things about the job and company that you don't love, so if you really can't do this, you're clever enough to find something else. this has the (hopefully) added benefit of taking the pressure off a bit-- if you don't think 'ohmygod, i'm going to f this up totally, and that's the end of the world' you can look at it and say 'this looks fun. and if i break it, i can run away, and i've been at this company long enough that i can still find someone to write me a good reference, and sod them'

see what i mean about it sounding a bit flip? i guess it's just that i'm sure you can do it, if you weren't worrying about it so much. so by making it into not as much of a big deal, maybe you won't worry so much?

i'm possibly not making any sense, hope you get something out of that...

colette (a2lette), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

No, Colette - I don't think that's rude at all. I think it's actually a really healthy suggestion, and helps to take the pressure off me somewhat.

I've just been to lunch with my old boss, and she told me effectively the same thing, even though she's leaving, and I'm actually pretty unhappy about that. :-(

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Hey, if nothing else, it's worth a few bob, yeah?

xpost ah. Now that can be better. Taking on a job while the person that hired you leaves = pressure is totally off... for a bit. (This has happened to me)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I have a few friends who swear by this stuff - a couple of drops under the tongue seems to sort them out. Not sure if it's just placebo effect, but if it works for them it might be worth a try. It even got a serial failer through his driving test.
http://www.zooscape.com/dataimg/zoo0042/6/big/426016_b.jpg

Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

ah yes, rescue remedy is nice.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I find that works, too. I suspect it's actually just strong alcohol in there...

Archel (Archel), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

sometimes I think it is just the reassuring flavor of BOUZE calming me though. :(

haha xp

teeny (teeny), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

No, no, nothing with booze, that would be bad for me. I don't want anything that's going to send me off on a binge during the workday...

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Take the job, do the job.

No one on earth is perfect and no one is going to catch everything, but you describe yourself as exactly the sort who should be on the systems analysis wall. Someone who will check things twice and check them again.

You'll be fine Kate.

Ash (ashbyman), Monday, 31 January 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

What Ash said. And what colette said, too. Take the job, you know you can do it, and clearly they have confidence in you as well. If it isn't what you expected, you can walk away, no harm, no foul.

luna's home sick, Monday, 31 January 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, guys. I really needed the pep talk. I spent most of yesterday crying uncontrollably, and not really knowing why. Stress, pressure... maybe even relief, I'm not really sure.

And then I started to think about it. And thought "Wait a minute... even if I totally crash and burn and fuck up, do you KNOW how amazing the title "Systems Analyst" will look on my resume?" I mean, that's what my *Dad* did.

If nothing else, it's good money to tide me over during a real limbo period. At best, it could actually be a window into the next level up in an area that I find fascinating.

I just really wish I could stop bursting into tears spontaneously when I feel under pressure. That's really not very Enigmatic.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

Kate, maybe you just need to emote. Don't worry about it. You've had a lot of stress - that's how we react.

< /emo >

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

I just really wish I could stop bursting into tears spontaneously when I feel under pressure. That's really not very Enigmatic.

you might be surprised! i found out (ages later) that someone described me as 'that girl that looks haunted and lovely' or something when i was going through a rough patch in chicago-- he *liked* the look of depression in my eyes. freak.

i think you'll do well, and you're totally right about how it'll be great for your cv, if nothing else. sorry that things are still overwhelming, hopefully it's working its way out of your system now.

colette (a2lette), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Well, I don't actually want the Managing Director thinking I look "haunted and lovely" or anything. I just want him thinking I'm an erratic genuis so he will go on paying me!

Barry, maybe you're right. I spend so much time putting myself under pressure and trying to hold it all together, that maybe sometimes I just need to let it all out. So long as I do it at home, or on the train, and not randomly at work.

The Phantom of the Operating System (kate), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

nice one kate! you'll do fine. just don't make the mistake i always make of going on the internet all day when i'm supposed to be learning about the new job. (maybe the reason why i'm woefully underachieving at current job)

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Last day of my new job, and what am I doing...

STILL WAITING AROUND TO HAVE A HANDOVER MEETING!!!

I'm fed up and I've had enough. If they don't talk to me by the end of the day, they don't get a handover.

Kate Kept Me Alive! (kate), Monday, 21 February 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Still waiting... bored out of my mind.

Kate Kept Me Alive! (kate), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)


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