let us now praise james agee

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How is't that he no have his own thread?

He do now.

Novelist, screenwriter, journalist, poet, film critic. And alcoholic, obviously. Genius? I don't know. Hell of a writer, though. Maybe the first great film critic, still one of the best ever. One nearly perfect novel. Couple of great scripts. And then there's Let Us Now Praise Famous Men, which kind of invented a category of journalism of which it remains the sole example (poetic realism?).

He could be pretentious, god knows, but even his pretense had something a little earthy -- soiled -- about it.

What do you think? One of the greats? An unfulfilled promise? A wasted talent? All of the above?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

He's from my town. They tore his house to the ground.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. I was on the Agee Amble a few years back that ended with a bunch of half-or-more drunk admirers collapsed on a lawn across the street from a depressing dreary little apartment building that now stands on the site, while someone gave a reading of "Knoxville Summer 1915."

We are talking now of summer evenings in Knoxville, Tennessee, in the time that I lived there so successfully disguised to myself as a child. . . . There was still daylight, shining softly and with a tarnish like the lining of a shell; and the carbon lamps lifted at the corners were on in the light, and the locusts were started, and the fireflies were out, and a few frogs were flopping in the dewy grass . . . from low in the dark . . . the regular yet spaced noises of the crickets, each a sweet cold silver noise, threenoted, like the slipping each time of three matched links of a small chain. ...

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

(typical of Knoxville that they knocked the house down, then named the street after him)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

And only half! Going south it's called Phillip Fulmer Ave.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, didn't know they knocked his house down.

one of the great tennessee natives, no doubt. unfilfilled promise, i'd say. but he did a lot--along with otis ferguson, one of the great early film critics in america. too much drinking and womanizing, though--he sure could've done a lot more. but what can you say, agee really loved movies and life too.

i need to re-read "death in the family" after seeing this thread...

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I will, too. BOOK CLUB

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Agee/Fulmer - that is Knoxville in a nutshell. There's a great essay of his that was only recently discovered, "America, Look at Your Shame!" It's not available online unfortunately but I have a copy of it. It's like a little ILX story, a personal encounter on public transportation, and told with this huge honesty in the detail. It reminds you that he had this great luck to be a working writer during a time of enormous social change. Maybe I could get some kind of OCR software to scan it in?

Eddie he had a day job with Fortune, too, give the guy a break!

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

One of the new historical markers on Market Square has a passage from "A Death in the Family" describing the Square in 1915. The phrase "the smell of horse urine," or something similar, is on it. I love that the city paid for that, and that it's inscribed and laid in stone there.

mte22, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that's been there for awhile! Another Knoxvillian on the boards?? That marker makes me so sad. It describes this ubelievably interesting and detailed world of fishmongers and bums and fathers bustling by with packages, and mounds of rotting things, and scraps of this and that and whirling together in this symphony of city business. And you look up at Market Square, the way it is now, and it's just windswept concrete.

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, where is it? I've never seen it.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I can't get out of here. Didn't I just miss the Knoxville FAP? I moved to St. Louis just as they started tearing the Square up, and back just in time to wonder why they bothered. The utility infrastructure underneath needed it, I guess, and I'm certainly glad to see new businesses there and all, but the space of the Square is so much like it was before, except maybe even a little less now, and Krutch Park would be nice if it was new, but it's so boring compared to its original incarnation.

As for Agee: I'm tempted to file him under minor, as a novelist, and consider his Pulitzer win something of a fluke. Great chops, for sure, but I find a lot of the italicized passages in "A Death in the Family" a little precious, and it does read sometimes like an unfinished novel. But when you consider his whole messy body of nonfiction, as I think has been the case the last few years -- then, wow. Some great writing on its own terms, and also an impressive significance.

(I will admit that I probably like John Hersey's sketch of Agee in the forward to "Let Us Now Praise Famous Men" as much as almost anything by Agee. And among Agee's writing, his own scabrous, almost self-loathing introduction to "LUNPFM" should be read by all practicing and prospective journalists. Maybe not taken too close to heart, but read and understood.)

mte22, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

walker was pretty bewildered by agee's intense emotionality from what i've read. but probably why they were a good team.

noizem duke (noize duke), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

pre-emptive note to gabbneb: his last name IS pronounced like A.G. - not aghee.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't worry mte: the Knoxvile FAP = me and Tracer getting sauced at a bar.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

His criticism was a big influence on Pauline Kael, so I've been meaning to read some.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Kael's approach was very much in tune with Agee's, the whole disregard for high/low art distinctions, the sense of movies as things to be wrestled with, adored, petted and kicked in the head, the rambunctiousness of the writing. And they both had a wicked way with one-liners.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

(also, between residents and ex-pats, knoxville must be the most over-represented small city on this board)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

seriously!! I mean, you guys realize that roxy has bought the house behind my parents' place?? Before we had any idea that the other existed apart from these white screens. Truly bizarre and unaccountable. And the people she bought it from have a son she went to high school with.. which she didn't realize til after the fact.. a guy who, when I was walking one day in Brockwell Park, in Brixton, London, whizzed past me on his bicycle, skidded, came back and was like "hey, it's Jonathan"

roxy the marker is set into the ground just in front of the bandstand thing or whatever it is, close to one end of the square but equidistant from the shops on either side. when you read it you're facing towards the Bijou (I think?)

You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

miccio you bring up pauline kael in every thread! i think you need to branch out.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/0106/15/NOJE-15s24-limpan-76_368.jpg

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

my idol

i've seen the way you've treated other fuxxors you've been with (Tape Store), Saturday, 6 June 2009 06:30 (sixteen years ago)

And among Agee's writing, his own scabrous, almost self-loathing introduction to "LUNPFM" should be read by all practicing and prospective journalists. Maybe not taken too close to heart, but read and understood.

OTM. OTMFM.

boys (Tape Store), Thursday, 11 June 2009 05:49 (sixteen years ago)

my biggest problem with him, really, is how neatly he fits into that self-destructive macho mode of 20th century american male writers. he'd be a lot more useful and interesting if he'd lived to 80. not so doomed-romantic, i guess, but there's a lot of things i wish he'd stuck around to write.

would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 11 June 2009 06:49 (sixteen years ago)

six years pass...

Helped put this thing together the other night. This is a nice little video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOp5WUoVCYk

something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 01:15 (ten years ago)

nice

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 09:46 (ten years ago)


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