Fun with the confirmation hearings for Alberto Gonzalez

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Well, the hearings get going later this week to confirm this guy to take over Ashcroft's place as U.S. Attorney General. Who wants to take bets as to how they'll go? Will Democrats put up much of a fight? Will current methods of military interrogation/torture be gone into much explicit detail on nationwide detail?

who KNOWS what fun this week will bring!

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

god i wish i had cable at times like these.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

NPR's gunna run live coverage, too

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

its times like these i wish i could listen to the radio at work.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Me too.

Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

It's times like these I wish I wasn't Emily.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

me too.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

you motherfuckers stop biting my lyrics!

dave grohl, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

The Dems will roll over like the spineless punks they are (thx, Bill Clinton). Schmuck Schumer especially.

Ideally they would use Gitmo techniques on Gonzalez...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

hmm. they begin on thursday morn, it seems. Continued on at least Friday.

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

nice story here:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1802&u=/washpost/20050105/ts_washpost/a48446_2005jan4&printer=1

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 06:24 (twenty years ago)

Another one here. Key bits:

Alberto R. Gonzales, the White House counsel, intervened directly with Justice Department lawyers in 2002 to obtain a legal ruling on the extent of the president's authority to permit extreme interrogation practices in the name of national security, current and former administration officials said Tuesday.
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The request by Mr. Gonzales produced the much-debated Justice Department memorandum of Aug. 1, 2002, which defined torture narrowly and said that Mr. Bush could circumvent domestic and international prohibitions against torture in the name of national security.
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John Yoo, a senior Justice Department lawyer who wrote much of the memorandum, exchanged draft language with lawyers at the White House, the officials said. Mr. Yoo, now a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley, said in an article published Sunday in The San Jose Mercury News that Mr. Gonzales did not apply any pressure on him to tailor the memorandum to accommodate the White House.

Instead, Mr. Yoo said that Mr. Gonzales was merely seeking to "understand all available options" in a perilous time, when the United States faced unprecedented threats.

But a senior administration official disagreed, saying that the memorandum's conclusions appeared to closely align with the prevailing White House view of interrogation practices. The official said the memorandum raised questions about whether the Office of Legal Counsel had maintained its longstanding tradition of dispensing objective legal advice to its clients in executive-branch agencies.

While the nature of Mr. Gonzales's specific discussions with the Justice Department remains unclear, administration officials said that Mr. Gonzales's customary way of dealing with Justice Department lawyers was to pose questions about issues rather than offer his own conclusions, although one said his preferences could sometimes be inferred easily from his questions.

So, to step back for a second and take it all in...the U.S. Congress is about to approve as attorney general of the United States of America a man who sought and actively applied legal guidelines legitimizing the use of torture.

One thing I'll say for the Bush administration is that, even after 4 years, they somehow still manage to always be worse than I think.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 06:46 (twenty years ago)

hm and thursday afternoon conyers is going to try to stop the acceptance of the electoral college vote, should be an interesting day.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

god, i can't listen to any of this. still, from what i heard on the way in today, go joe biden!

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 6 January 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

share your knowledge, kingfish!

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 6 January 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

hang on, just check the ap wire at yahoo later today

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 6 January 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Apparently Schumer has made Gonzalez look like he doesn't know his constitution much. Which amuses me greatly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 January 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

CNN has this great headline:

"Gonzalez Vows to Follow Law"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 January 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20050106/ap_on_go_co/senate_gonzales_33

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 6 January 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

The Corner at the NRO has been twisting in the wind a bit today. Some interestingly defensive posts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

when the transcript comes out, somebody count the utterance of the word "hypothetical"

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cjr.org/blog/images/specter.jpg

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Worst pinata game ever.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

BBC News has the memos in question as .pdf's if you want a look.

Bernard the Butler (Lynskey), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050106/capt.dcgh11401062130.senate_hrg_gonzalez_dcgh114.jpg
Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., questions Alberto Gonzales, President Bush (news - web sites)'s nominee for Attorney General, during his confirmation hearing on Capitol Hill, Thursday, Jan. 6, 2005. Gonzales vowed to abide by international treaties on prisoner treatment if confirmed, but Senate critics asserted that policies he supported led to the torture of terrorism detainees and protested his closeness to President Bush. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

and go senator leahy, too! check the transcripts for his concluding remarks/questions to the witnesses...

kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

I was equally, if not more concerned about Gonzalez's idea that the president could "hypothetically" decide to ignore a law if he felt it was unconstitutional.

On the enemy combatant thing -- the cons always sidestep this one. As the NPR reporter pointed out, no one has debtated the fact that Al Qaeda prisoners are not POWs. The question is about Taliban fighters, who, like it or not, were soldiers of their country defending their land.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:06 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I'm glad to see the Taliban go, but WTF? We invade their country and then when they defend themselves we say they're not regular soldiers?

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

pissed i missed this.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)

I thought the admin actually did regard Taliban soldiers as falling under the Geneva Conventions.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 7 January 2005 05:33 (twenty years ago)

I think they eventually came around to it, but it was Gonzalez who originally suggested they didn't have to be. I could be wrong though.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 7 January 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=578&e=5&u=/nm/20050126/pl_nm/congress_gonzales_dc

wow. ALL EIGHT Democrats voted against the guy.

....but the 10 repubs voted for. So that was that.

also,

Asked about Gonzales' written response the CIA (news - web sites) was not specifically forbidden from abusing detainees overseas, Bush said: "Listen, Al Gonzales reflects our policy, and that is we don't sanction torture. He will be a great attorney general."

kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050202/ts_nm/congress_gonzales_dc_11

Reid says up to 30 of the 44 Senate Democrats may vote against Gonzalez on Thursday. There's even this line:

"The idea that the other side of the aisle is even considering filibustering this manifestation of the American dream that's represented by Judge Gonzales is simply beyond me," Frist told reporters.

and, of course, whenever I think of The American Dream, there's only one image in my mind:

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"Right here, ONNNNAA Muthaship!"

Kingfish MuffMiner 2049er (Kingfish), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

TOUGH JOB MARKET: Former attorney general Alberto Gonzales has been unable to interest law firms in adding his name to their roster... Developing...

gabbneb, Saturday, 12 April 2008 20:38 (seventeen years ago)

lol

Hurting 2, Saturday, 12 April 2008 22:05 (seventeen years ago)

Although I don't feel bad for the guy, he has kind of become a scapegoat. I mean he's just as responsible as anyone else for the legal nightmare of this administration, but it neither started nor ended with him.

Hurting 2, Saturday, 12 April 2008 22:06 (seventeen years ago)


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