Back when it was "no more heroes", 1977 etc, the idea of elevating people by asking or giving autographs was sort of sneered at. Mind you I have been surprised at the amount of albums/singles/whatever fully signed by all the Sex Pistols (i.e. more than one) that turn up.
I guess, massive leap here, If I was famous, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem signing autographs if a fan wanted one. But when they are meant as 'ebayable' it's more "Hey famous person, can you give me something that I can get some money with that wont cost you anything?" which on the face of it is "OK, I like you, why not?". But this really is then selling out the fan who can't get the sig themselves, so end up shelling out for the item which has no direct connection between the fan and the famous person.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)
My advice is to try and garner the person before asking. If you're a journalist then it's kinda breaking face to ask, but from time to time I do it anyway. Fuck it, you know...
― Sea-Man, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)
But the situation where a famous person signs stuff to be auctioned proceeds to xxx relief, I say NO! Do not sell out your fans that way! So your autograph might raise, say, £2K? Do the decent thing and pay it yourself.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)
― Ceasah, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)
what if you pay yourself and do the autograph?
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)
Kylie Minogue donates those shorts from the "Can't get you out of my trousers" video to an auction for the benefit of xxx relief. The shorts raised £3000 from an anonymous bidder.
Now, quickly. Who donated to xxx relief?
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)
― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)
the anonymous person did. but what would have happened if this didn't happen?? kylie could have just donated those trousers to the charity shop anonymously, and they'd sell for like £5. which is better for xxx relief?
i guess it's putting xxx relief over your fans. is that so wrong? (depends on what the xxx is really)
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)
I guess it comes down to "Are these your fans, and should you donate them (or their money) to charity in your name?" At least (for example) Bono 'requests' and the response isn't linked directly to him.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)
the other person is just some perv who bought kylie's pants when he could have donated that money directly, without obtaining kylie's pants? this person has just bought something, the proceeds of which went to charity. would he have done it without the pants?
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)
I kinda derailed this. I meant to keep it to "Autographs" but spangly pants distracted me.
No there was a call-out for famous folks to donate stuff so fans could buy them and donate the money. I always have misgivings about that kind of thing.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)
Better that they send the money and then have sex with the winning bidder.
I'm feeling a bit light headed. Someone else drive.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)
Xpost - depends. It's giving the fan something special and as long as they put a weight and age limit on the bidders they probably won't find it too painful to give, say, topless relief.
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)
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― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 6 January 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)
Funnily enough, someone got Badly Drawn Boy to sign a stack of promotional beermats and sold them off for charity (Warchild, I believe). And I bought one, thus selling my stated principle out (as stated upthread.)
Still, good thread, debate etc.
― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 6 January 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)
― CLassic or Dadaismus? (Dada), Friday, 6 January 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 6 January 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)
Ringo 'too busy' for autographs Starr said he had "too much to do" to continue signing objects Former Beatle Ringo Starr will no longer sign memorabilia for fans and will throw away all fan mail he receives in the future, he has said. "Please do not send fan mail to any address you have," he said in a video message on his website. "Nothing will be signed after the 20th of October. If that is the date on the envelope, it's gonna be tossed.
"Please do not send fan mail to any address you have," he said in a video message on his website.
"Nothing will be signed after the 20th of October. If that is the date on the envelope, it's gonna be tossed.
So, I can see that there's a healthy trading market in Beatles signatures on slightly valuable ethings, making them more valuable.
But what's the concensus on autographs thesedays?
Speaking for myself, the last autograph I obtained was Mo Tucker and Sterling Morrison when they played reading uni, what could top that?
Aside from that one-off, I have met the occasional famous person and left them with no more than a memory since 1981 or thereabouts. As a kid, I was lucky to be on a TV pop quiz, so got to meet MBolan, RWakeman, Sparks and Alvin Stardust, and various other pop stars and non-pop stars. But they are all in a nice autograph book (actually, come to think of it, my sister collected them all! OK, as you were)
OK, so we're all older now and clever swines, but who does this still? For non-pecuniary reasons? (must look that word up)...
― Mark G, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:15 (sixteen years ago)
oh, damn that apos business!
― Mark G, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:16 (sixteen years ago)
For a while I signed the CDs of every concert I saw. I was there, I didn't have to bother the musicians, the things looked autographed, everyone got what they wanted.
― Abbott, Monday, 13 October 2008 22:05 (sixteen years ago)
From a Sports Collectors Digest piece on the recent baseball HOF weekend:
One Main Street shop delivered a "rogues gallery" of signers featuring disgraced former Braves reliever John Rocker signing next to Mets and Phillies outfielder Lenny Dykstra. Dykstra, recently released from a federal penitentiary, was signing for $25 a pop. Rocker's price was $20, though he would add profanity on the ball for an extra $5. Yes, you read that correctly--an additional $5 for profanity!
http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.com/featured/cooperstown-weekend-2015-pedro-danced-reggie-cursed-and-pete-disappeared
― clemenza, Thursday, 20 August 2015 17:27 (nine years ago)