Autographs, Classic or Dud?

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In the wake of disasters and charity appeals, there are a number of fund-raising things involving donations from famous people, autographed or otherwise, and it got me thinking around the old chestnut...

Back when it was "no more heroes", 1977 etc, the idea of elevating people by asking or giving autographs was sort of sneered at. Mind you I have been surprised at the amount of albums/singles/whatever fully signed by all the Sex Pistols (i.e. more than one) that turn up.

I guess, massive leap here, If I was famous, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem signing autographs if a fan wanted one. But when they are meant as 'ebayable' it's more "Hey famous person, can you give me something that I can get some money with that wont cost you anything?" which on the face of it is "OK, I like you, why not?". But this really is then selling out the fan who can't get the sig themselves, so end up shelling out for the item which has no direct connection between the fan and the famous person.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

Autographs and autograph hunters/collectors freak me out more than just about anything else in the celebrity sphere.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

Depends how cool the person is and how comfortable you feel about asking. I got the impression John Carpenter really did not want to be at an autograph signing, but many film folks I've met have seemed really flattered that people want an autograph.

My advice is to try and garner the person before asking. If you're a journalist then it's kinda breaking face to ask, but from time to time I do it anyway. Fuck it, you know...

Sea-Man, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

The general consensus (amongst famous folk) seems to be "It's a drag and they may run off and sell it, but for the one fan that treasures it means you can't really refuse, unless it's at a private moment (shopping, restaurant, etc)."

But the situation where a famous person signs stuff to be auctioned proceeds to xxx relief, I say NO! Do not sell out your fans that way! So your autograph might raise, say, £2K? Do the decent thing and pay it yourself.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I agree. I don't really want to get an autograph from an A-list star to be honest... but I do think it's cool, in a film geek kinda way, to have stuff signed by Rick Baker/ Tobe Hooper/ Don Edmonds/ Robert Englund etc

Ceasah, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

I say NO! Do not sell out your fans that way! So your autograph might raise, say, £2K? Do the decent thing and pay it yourself.

what if you pay yourself and do the autograph?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

Still selling out.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

OK, scenario time.

Kylie Minogue donates those shorts from the "Can't get you out of my trousers" video to an auction for the benefit of xxx relief. The shorts raised £3000 from an anonymous bidder.

Now, quickly. Who donated to xxx relief?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

XXX relief? I might have. Wasn't the fund raiser to buy a night with your fave porn star? I think I threw some dosh into the Traci Lords box.

CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)

heh. OK, got me. And I redid that part a number of times to avoid "ILXor relief" and so on..

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

Autographs are cool if the author/artist signs his work or some related memento for you personally.. Buying an autograph is lame. Autographs on a scrap of paper are lame. Book signings and autograph sessions are lame.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

Kylie Minogue donates those shorts from the "Can't get you out of my trousers" video to an auction for the benefit of xxx relief. The shorts raised £3000 from an anonymous bidder.

Now, quickly. Who donated to xxx relief?

the anonymous person did. but what would have happened if this didn't happen?? kylie could have just donated those trousers to the charity shop anonymously, and they'd sell for like £5. which is better for xxx relief?

i guess it's putting xxx relief over your fans. is that so wrong? (depends on what the xxx is really)

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Ken C, is the right answer. But the media (where everything happens) would cover this as being "Kylie donates pants to xxx relief" (with photo).

I guess it comes down to "Are these your fans, and should you donate them (or their money) to charity in your name?" At least (for example) Bono 'requests' and the response isn't linked directly to him.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

I waited on line in the freezing cold with some super-creepy sci-fi buffs two years ago to get Elv!ra's autograph. Classic!

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

i dunno really.. i mean thinking of this another way. kylie would have really been technically the person who has donated her pants for charity.

the other person is just some perv who bought kylie's pants when he could have donated that money directly, without obtaining kylie's pants? this person has just bought something, the proceeds of which went to charity. would he have done it without the pants?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

the best thing would be if everybody has to pay if you've bidded even if they don't get the pants, so if you've bidded £50 and the winning price is £100 you'd still have to pay £50 - the charity would be rich and everyone would be happy in the end because they've donated/bought pants.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

Obviously not. xpost

I kinda derailed this. I meant to keep it to "Autographs" but spangly pants distracted me.

No there was a call-out for famous folks to donate stuff so fans could buy them and donate the money. I always have misgivings about that kind of thing.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Couldn't Kylie and some other celebs (Holly Valance maybe) offer themselves up for various sexual acts on ebay with the proceeds going to charity? They'd make millions for maybe ten minutes work.

CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but that would be whoring out themselves and their fan(s).

Better that they send the money and then have sex with the winning bidder.

I'm feeling a bit light headed. Someone else drive.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

if i donate £72 to charity can i C on your T CC72?

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

No.

Xpost - depends. It's giving the fan something special and as long as they put a weight and age limit on the bidders they probably won't find it too painful to give, say, topless relief.

CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

"Oh Holly, that was fant. I feel the irresistible urge to give £2000 to xxx relief"...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

(You know what it is? Since NYE, I still can't sleep until 2.00 am, even though I get up at 7)

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

If I had lots of cash then why not? Holly Valance naked is worth a few bob...

CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Heh, happy birthday this thread.

Funnily enough, someone got Badly Drawn Boy to sign a stack of promotional beermats and sold them off for charity (Warchild, I believe). And I bought one, thus selling my stated principle out (as stated upthread.)

Still, good thread, debate etc.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 6 January 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha, my mum got me an autographed copy of Billy McNeill's autobiography for Xmas

CLassic or Dadaismus? (Dada), Friday, 6 January 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

i think my only autograph was one by keven shield on a gig ticket. i threw it since.
i've never seen the point of autographs actually. even if you love the artist's work, what's the point of it ?
= i find it pretty embarassing to go and bother the person.

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 6 January 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Ringo 'too busy' for autographs

Starr said he had "too much to do" to continue signing objects
Former Beatle Ringo Starr will no longer sign memorabilia for fans and will throw away all fan mail he receives in the future, he has said.

"Please do not send fan mail to any address you have," he said in a video message on his website.

"Nothing will be signed after the 20th of October. If that is the date on the envelope, it's gonna be tossed.


So, I can see that there's a healthy trading market in Beatles signatures on slightly valuable ethings, making them more valuable.

But what's the concensus on autographs thesedays?

Speaking for myself, the last autograph I obtained was Mo Tucker and Sterling Morrison when they played reading uni, what could top that?

Aside from that one-off, I have met the occasional famous person and left them with no more than a memory since 1981 or thereabouts. As a kid, I was lucky to be on a TV pop quiz, so got to meet MBolan, RWakeman, Sparks and Alvin Stardust, and various other pop stars and non-pop stars. But they are all in a nice autograph book (actually, come to think of it, my sister collected them all! OK, as you were)

OK, so we're all older now and clever swines, but who does this still? For non-pecuniary reasons? (must look that word up)...

Mark G, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:15 (sixteen years ago)

oh, damn that apos business!

Mark G, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:16 (sixteen years ago)

For a while I signed the CDs of every concert I saw. I was there, I didn't have to bother the musicians, the things looked autographed, everyone got what they wanted.

Abbott, Monday, 13 October 2008 22:05 (sixteen years ago)

six years pass...

From a Sports Collectors Digest piece on the recent baseball HOF weekend:

One Main Street shop delivered a "rogues gallery" of signers featuring disgraced former Braves reliever John Rocker signing next to Mets and Phillies outfielder Lenny Dykstra. Dykstra, recently released from a federal penitentiary, was signing for $25 a pop. Rocker's price was $20, though he would add profanity on the ball for an extra $5. Yes, you read that correctly--an additional $5 for profanity!

http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.com/featured/cooperstown-weekend-2015-pedro-danced-reggie-cursed-and-pete-disappeared

clemenza, Thursday, 20 August 2015 17:27 (nine years ago)


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