I bought a racist belt today

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it says "the south will rise again" and has a civil war flag.

i didn't really know what it meant until just now. I just thought it looked cool, and thought maybe i could apply it to rap music.

it wasn't cheap either, unlike racism.

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Hari, you are awesome.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

take the power back!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

oh shit i meant Fight the Power! i was getting my PE mixed up with Rage Against the Machine. how uncool of me.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

is it possible to wear this ironically?

i'm kind of scared my dads gonna see it and be all like "WHAT?!?!" (He's black)

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Places that belt might not be offensive:

New Zealand
Mars

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

round my waist and beneath my clothes?

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

tell him that it's about the potency and virility of your family and his genes

― Carl Winslow and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Please note, Hari, a racist belt will only hold up racist pants.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Do you have any kids? You could use it as, you know, your The Belt belt.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

I feel an extra twinge of shame everytime i look toward my groin now.

my penis is being opressed.

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

xpost Perfect for beating kids and hound dogs alike!

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Roxymuzac [2:49 PM]: haha i see you started a thread.
deadite alright [2:49 PM]: i ALWAYS start a thread
Roxymuzac [2:49 PM]: true

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Places that belt might not be offensive:
New Zealand
Mars

-- Huk-L (handsomishbo...), January 5th, 2005.

the southeastern united states, sadly:-(

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

is it possible to wear this ironically?
i'm kind of scared my dads gonna see it and be all like "WHAT?!?!" (He's black)

Think of it as stylish subversion.

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

i just realised, i also bought an armband that says "CAPTAIN" (like one in a football/soccer match).

i can't wear both of these together or people might think i'm captain of the racists.

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Do racists have captains? Are they like the Navy or something?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

USHER is LAMAR

― Carl Winslow and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Do racists have captains? Are they like the Navy or something?

I dunno, but they have grand wizards.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

The SS had captains, surely.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

captains and obergruppenfuhrers and other weird German names.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

All you need is some sexist epaulets and ageist cutlass!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Places that belt might not be offensive:

New Zealand
Mars

South Carolina

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Antartica!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure some people in South Carolina would take offense.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

just buy a nice white kkk robe, let your dad find it, and then the belt will seem like nothing.

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

i think im going to change it so it says "the south will rap again" and put a small lil' jon head on each star of the flag.

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

My girlfriend and I were driving through Eau Claire, Wisconsin the other day when I noticed a storefront that said "NORTHERN SAFARI: Army/Navy."

Sounded a bit, um, suspicious to me.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

So yeah, you can probably wear it to Eau Claire.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I want to start a tract house subdivision in Eau Claire called 'De la Lune'.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure some people in South Carolina would take offense.
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), January 5th, 2005

ever been here?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

You would take some offense, no?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Probably take it in stride, I'd guess. Par for the course.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

You see this all the time all over the south, and "offense" is kinda the wrong word. That implies some kind of umbrage. It's more, *sigh*.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

I have been to SC, and yeah, didn't some people march against the flag at the statehouse there?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the sensible people. all 30 of em.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

What, exactly, do you mean by some people? Is that a slur, sir?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

xpost, aw hell.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

south carolina suxxxx is all i'm saying really.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

don't take it out on us because you live there, bud.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

ahhaah ok

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/17/sc.flag/

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

I bought a homophobic watch today! Instead of giving the time, it refuses to recognize gay marriage!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

why not get a swastika and be oh so even more totally subversive! wow you are so cool!

― DVD (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

then you can make snidey comments about daringly wearing a 'racist symbol' today and be even more cool!!!!!!!!!!!!

― DVD (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

The South will rise again, after it finishes restoring the Camaro in the back yard.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

I've got cufflinks that hate fat people.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Oh, like your ottoman wasn't a veiled reference to Nazism!

xpost

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Why stop with a belt?

http://www.cellularfactory.com/img/products/9510a.jpg

http://www.dixiememories.com/clothing/images/socks.jpg

http://confederatewarehouse.com/mc1860.jpg

http://www.armynavyshop.com/closeups/rc652.jpg

(I kinda like the whisky flask, but I can't figure out why you'd put a Condefederate money clip around a wad of Yankee dollars.)

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

it wasn't cheap either, unlike racism.

This sentence is still awesome.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

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I thought I was pissed with the South when I moved up north to escape far right conservative christian VALUES, but it turns out those people are EVERYWHERE.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

I was in Buford, Georgia last week and I liked it.

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

yeah there's the element of regional pride and fighting agin the forces of national hegemony, anti-carpetbagger sentiment, etc. at play (cf. bumper sticker: "We Don't Care How You Did It UP NORTH"), but even this should be regarded with suspiscion cuz it still is tied into race alot of the time. the easy getout many (including myself if just trying to keep the conversation civil) is to say 'o gee maybe the symbol isn't inherently racist but it's been claimed by racists and tainted after the fact due to its association with the klan, etc'; this is bullshit - alot of people who've flown the stars and bars may not have had racist intentions at all but it's still a racist symbol and has been since appamatox (god i can't spell), long before throwing it on a state flag/flagpole became the ike era southern statehouse equiv of flipping the bird and saying "RAP THIS!".

martin have you read absalom! absalom! ?

― blount, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

x-post (Sorry for the shouting, ha ha)

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

also, i'm english and live in the south of england.

(which explains my ignorance on the subject)

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, I think it's just your workplace. I seriously wouldn't know where to find any conservative Christians in Chicago.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

andre wears a confederate flag belt buckle in the ms. jackson video (ie. your problems have just begun my friend).

― blount, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

x-post Yeah, Chicago pretty much rules.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Well, that was fun.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, God give you the strength accept the things you cannot change, and the strength to find a better job.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

oh man

so i'm either an outkast fan or a racist.

what is worse?

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

(joke)

― Hari Ashurst (Toaster), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

nope I haven't read that blount... perhaps I should.

I do think I need to point out that a) the character in which I tend to post is far more mysanthropic than I really am (the "fuck all y'alls were not supposed to be heartfelt and serious), and b) the confederate flag pisses me off for a number of reasons, not the least of which are its racist associations.

I know what Sarah means about the conservative Christian bunk being everywhere too. In fact I'd up the ante a bit more and say that racism is just as apparent and fucked up everywhere. But either way, I'd have to admit that they are both slightly different in the South. Better or worse, I dunno and won't pretend to posit a theory, but they do manifest themselves differently.

(big xpost)

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.javelinamx.com/carstars/bandit7.jpg

OT: I still can't believe that Bandit is going to play Boss Hogg in that new Dukes movie.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

it's like in clockwork orange when the droogs become cops!!!

― blount, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

Or in The Young Ones when Neil does.

― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, I think it's just your workplace. I seriously wouldn't know where to find any conservative Christians in Chicago.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...) (webmail), January 5th, 2005 9:37 PM. (jaymc) (link)

at an evangelical church???

but yeah, i don't run into them very often. my most recent encounter was at the bagel store, funny enough.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

i grew up in iowa, and now live in urban minnesota, and i've seen the confederate flag plenty, tshirts, pickup truck windows, sure. not to the same degree as anywhere in the actual south i'm sure, but plenty enuf. cos as a symbol OUTSIDE the south, now, it has a picked up a kind of corrollary meaning beyond (but not excluding) the crypto- or sumberged-racist regional cultural stuff: it means a general "working-class real man country-music beer'n'subwoofers (WHITE) badass."

since it's a semi-outlawed symbol it has local semantic power even up north, and it gets aired in that same cultural no-go zone that connects jesse ventura, jeff foxworthy, "falling down," all kinds of shit.

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes hip British bands will proudly display a neon sign version of the Confederate Flag on their album cover!

― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

http://ubl.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drf500/f541/f54188nfq14.jpg

"GV P BT DNT GV T!"

― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

As a Southerner I see no redeeming qualities to the confederate flag at all. And while I'm not offended every time I (often) see it, my estimation of the person sporting/displaying it takes a nosedive. But to think that you can bandy it about in an ironic sense well that is offensive.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

Being from near Naseby, I want to bandy around some Puritan imagery. Any ideas?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

shoot Ronan?

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

I had a friend in high school that owned, and wore, a confederate belt.
He lived his whole life in Ontario.
He wasn't racist in the slightest; to him I think it was more of a symbol of the ""working-class real man..." thing.
He was also an ignorant idiot.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, you see dudes all the time in like Sonoma County who've lived in CA their whole life and have a confederate flag sticker in the back window of their black pickup truck that they drive around Rohnert Park blasting Metallica in. It's a basic goon thing. They all have "No Fear", Calvin pissing and sometimes an NRA or "Buy A Gun, Piss Off A Liberal" type stickers as well.

― Steely Zan (AaronHz), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

These guys usually have mullets too, no joke.

― Steely Zan (AaronHz), Thursday, 6 January 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

yeah, that's the nasty thing, the flag's power is that it's clearly understood as a symbol of resistance to some non-white, non-male, non-violent, non-fun ruling order. anyway, tom frank to thread...

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Driving to my grandparents' rural home shortly after 9/11, I saw several yards that displayed the Confederate flag right next to the U.S. flag. YOU CAN'T BE BOTH, PEOPLE

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

how many classic rock stations have bumpers that consist of 4 seconds of a fake "gangsta rap" song, followed by a gunshot?

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

g--ff, the resistance also extended to northern whites, whom Civil War-era southerners despised just as much as (if not more than) blacks.

The flag is basically just upholding the ideal of the "southern way of life" (which of course is rooted in the racist/sectionalist/"Anthenian white culture" ideals of the antebellum South.)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

well i don't mean to be curt (ha ha) but we're talking about what the flag does today for dudes who live in suburban california and minnesota!! flag's meaning in the south: well documented.

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

how many classic rock stations have bumpers that consist of 4 seconds of a fake "gangsta rap" song, followed by a gunshot?

Well, it wouldn't be any station that plays Skynard since they were proponents of gun control.

Seriously, I've heard that bumper with a record suddenly scratching, but a gunshot?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

also, i'm english and live in the south of england.
(which explains my ignorance on the subject)

Sadly there are still plenty of americans who are ignorant on this subject. On the issue of cross-cultural taboos, what's the deal with Maoist and Stalinist imagery? I have a bunch of old Russian and Chinese propaganda posters which I used to display because some are great pieces of design and some are great kitsch. I eventually came to realize how bad this looked when my Russian landlord came over and now they're all hidden away in a closet somewhere. Am I like one of those creeps who collects Nazi memorabilia? Some of the Russian posters are merely illustrations of events during the revolution with comical anti-tzar cartoons. Those seem like they might be ok to hang but I'm still unsure.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

DIN DAA DAA DIN DO DO

(sorry walter, i just wanted to say that, everyone carry on)

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 6 January 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/2945/confedgirl2jz.jpg

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

What's wrong with being ~~sexy~~ racy?

― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Gawd. Just imagine if the South had actually won.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

HERITAGE NOT HATE GRAAAH;AAPAIOJFA@#!@#@!!@*$%&)*

― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

If the south had won, then that would be the flag of their scenic little tourist-friendly nation, and so it's a safe bet that they'd feel a lot more neutral and unbothered about it. Whereas now there's a huge element to this flag that's basically an anti-flag -- a flag that's as much about rejecting a competing history or vision of the world as it is about claiming its own. That flag has a whole lot of layers, with racism threaded all through in ways that aren't exclusive or easy to compartmentalize.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

I keep reading this thread title to the tune of "A Day in the Life."

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 22 July 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

I've seen this shit recontextualized though. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of black people that A.) Dislike the north B.) Feel southern pride. I wouldn't be surprised if someone referred to a multi-racial south rising over the northern states.

I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures of Andre of Outkast fame wearing a confederate flag belt buckle.

― mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Layers, dudes, layers.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

You can't layer belt buckles! That would be uncomfortable and impractical!

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Like a layered cake. Only, instead of icing, it's racism!

xpost

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Chocolate icing and yellow cake = icing is segragationalist

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 22 July 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Hey, for all we know, she may be wearing that bikini in an ironic fashion as well.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

People who might find that belt offensive = people who think the civil war was about slavery LOL

― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

which was confirmed a few weeks later when he put forth the theory that the falcons would be better without vick.

My favorite was that the Carolina Panthers went to the Super Bowl in 2004 because they had an all-white offensive line.

― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

I keep reading this thread title to the tune of "A Day in the Life."

Hahaha!

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

"The English Army had just won the war"

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

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