Are/is fish considered "seafood"?

and just an aside to Ed: some seas are freshwater! :-D

I can see that a catfish house might not be a seafood restaurant, but how can sole not be seafood? Harumpf. Exactly.

n : edible fish (broadly including freshwater fish) or shellfish or roe etc

maybe something like the allmusic flash thingy?

I really, really want some Dungeness crabs and a few beers. Right now.

When does the crab season open this year? Seems too soon.

I'm curious how the exclusion of seafood from the category of meat - or rather, the differentiation of seafood from meat in a way that you can be "vegetarian" and eat fish - became a thing. I ask this as a pescetarian myself, with awareness that my exception for seafood is 95% bullshit.

well you can't be a vegetarian and eat fish by definition. I guess some ppl think of fishing as less cruel than animal husbandry? I dunno.

my exception for seafood is 95% bullshit

prying an oyster from seabed seems as humane as prying carrots from your garden afaic, I do not question the couple "vegans (exception: seafood)" individuals I know. Eggs and milk are far more fucked up than eating a shrimp

The vegans I know just go for the "dont like taking a life" angle, which ok fair enough but I never got how honey came into that. Anyway I dont wanna turn this into a wtf vegans thing.

it's ok to eat fish bc they don't have any feelings obv

I thought seafood was where you chew up some food & ask someone if they like seafood & then go, "see?!! food" Actually, the principal of my elementary school had to resign for slapping a kid who did that.

xp zach.. That depends on your definition of feelings.

meat without feet

Purely for reference:

Ethical vegan arguments for eating sessile bivalves Slate, 2010, a blog pt 1, a blog pt 2

Why Honey is Vegan

I never cared much for either. I've used the bivalve argument when desperate for something to eat at a seafood joint I was dragged to, only to discover I no longer had a taste for oyster po-boys.

Eggs and milk are far more fucked up than eating a shrimp

― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, October 5, 2013 1:58 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

what's the difference?

well you can't be a vegetarian and eat fish by definition.

It used to annoy me when I was a vegetarian and some people (usually older relatives) assumed that I still ate fish.

"I don't eat meat" is a bit ambiguous, because "meat" and "fish"/"seafood" have traditionally been used to distinguish between the edible flesh of land animals vs. sea animals. But "vegetarianism," in most contexts, refers to the non-consumption of animal flesh, full stop.

I'm guessing religious traditions have a lot to do with the persistence of that "meat"/"fish" distinction, btw. For instance: the Catholic restriction on eating meat on Fridays, which in many places led to Friday night fish fries and the like.

Maybe y'all know this already, but I just poked around some Catholic message boards and found an explanation for the exclusion of fish from prohibitions against meat: In the early days of the church, fish was common, easy to come by even by the poor, and a staple in most homes. Whereas not everyone could afford lamb, veal, etc., which were often reserved for feasts. Abstaining from meat meant sacrificing a luxury.

@ dayo I think there's a big diff between imprisoning all the chickens of the world to their ova can be harvested vs. wading into the ocean, digging some oysters, eating them raw and giggling

what about the commercial farming of shrimp?

can shrimp be imprisoned?

imprisoning all the chickens of the world to their ova can be harvested vs. wading into the ocean, digging some oysters, eating them raw and giggling

Don't be an idiot, that's not an apples to apples comparison.

Although I am giggling trying to write a paragraph that starts "Behold the wild chicken, serene in her ecological niche."

I really, really want some Dungeness crabs and a few beers. Right now.

― cops on horse (WilliamC), Friday, October 4, 2013 7:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this, all the time

was aiming for scamp not idiot

scamp or scampi?

xp zach.. That depends on your definition of feelings.

― جهاد النكاح (Sanpaku), Saturday, October 5, 2013 6:01 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's a kurt ccbane lyric dummie

my exception for seafood is 95% bullshit

eh. eat whatever makes sense to you. if that entails some inconsistency in applying certain rules that you created and imposed on yourself, so be it. they're your rules.

yeah, there won't be a white-bearded scribe judging us on all how internally consistent we lived our lives after we die. at least...I hope not.

Lol, one of the reasons I east shellfish is do I can continue to actively break kosher restrictions.

I also just realized that I wrote that (and this) sentence while eating a fish sandwich.

I could kill a fish

just kick its face off

I don't wanna think about shrimp farms. Somewhere between coppery-tasting shrimp rings and "Prawn Sandwich in the UK" I worry that crustacean lost its way. I had a mantis shrimp in Japan once, sushi-style, that was delicious. But otherwise, shrimp are my second-least favourite form of shellfish (slightly worse than fussy and insubstantial razor clams, but better than the inedible conch).

Shrimp are really good as long as they are fresh, preferably plucked from the tank at the front of the chinese restaurant fresh, steamed w seawater, dipping sauce of soy sauce + scallions + ginger... They taste sweet

Regardless of shrimp sentience, tons of mangrove forests in se Asia are cut down each year for shrimp farms, which tend to pollute the surrounding waters so much they can only be used for a couple of years iirc

http://i.imgur.com/ulWUk8h.jpg

crustacean centipede

i'm a "pescetarian", which i often describe as "vegetarian. oh, except i do eat fish." i limit my diet that way for a number of reasons:

1) simply to limit it
2) to minimize environmental damage (i eat wild caught, less depleted species)
3) in opposition to industrial meat production (for a number of reasons)
4) out of sympathy for mammals and birds (silly, perhaps, but so be it - wouldn't eat octopus or cuttlefish, either)
5) i have no compunction about catching & killing fish, crustaceans and bivalves myself
6) i'd find it hard to go without sushi

i'm not worried about absolute adherence to a set of internally consistent rules, just trying to eat sensibly and (somewhat) ethically.

better than the inedible conch

lol what

I was at Sam's yesterday and they had packages of king crab legs labeled as "dungeness crab clusters." Stop taunting me, universe...

conch is so pointless it makes me smirk when it's on a menu. My top three seafoodstuffs are 3. langoustine (in soup) 2. raw oyster 1. sea urchin

re thread title - seafood in kosher context 100% of the time means non-fish (aka shellfish).