American Pie 1

i think he humps it (the first guy, who for the point of this excersize i will refer to as Biggs)

i think its meant to be funny.

the girl from the webcam finds out about the webcam.

Biggs is in trouble

one of them looks a bit like biggs.

it works.

they all work.

there will be a sequel.

it works.

No, it doesn't.

Jennifer Coolidge (Stifler's Mom), RULES.

Listen for a totally brilliant use of "Walk, Don't Run" by the ventures.

Line of the film: "What's my name?? Say my name BITCH!!!"

The Lacrosse dude chucks the big game to be with his g/f and sing in the performance.

You realise they made three High School Musicals off this one plot device?

The first American Pie is surprisingly good. I rewatched it a while ago as a part of "Gender in Teen Movies" course at the university, and was surprised how balanced its views on sexuality and gender were, considering the genre. The ultimate lesson is that there more important things than sex, and that being a sexist macho gets you nowhere. Plus it is often quite funny.

I rewatched it a while ago as a part of "Gender in Teen Movies" course at the university

lol spengler was right

Who?

lol value of a university education

Oswald Spengler? Wasn't he total elitist anyway?

idk, but he'd probably agree tha there are more important things than sex, and that being a sexist macho gets you nowhere.

Were you trying to say that banal popular culture shouldn't be studied at the university?

I see AP2 is up shortly...

On a percentage basis (that AP1 is 100%), how good is AP2?

of course not; it's obviously of crucial importance that the implications for gender politics of 'van wilder: party liaison' are explored to the full.

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Do you think popular culture has no effect on gender? I'd say it's one of the strongest forces that affects it.

keep up the good work then.

the ultimate lesson is that there more important things than sex

this is exactly why the movie is total fucking bullshit btw

What do you mean? That sex is the most important thing there is?

being a sexist macho gets you nowhere

it gets you in bed with two lesbians according to the sequel

On a percentage basis (that AP1 is 100%), how good is AP2?

Can I has percentage?

88.135593%

(AP1 at 59% on Rotten Tomatoes, AP2 at 52%. Lol geek.)

Not at all. Thanks.

What do you mean? That sex is the most important thing there is?

maybe not, but a message/moral like "sex isn't the most important thing in the world" smells like puritan bullshit to me

have you seen the film?

Well, the line is used reflectively, like "It's not the overriding thing, importance wise"

Which is somewhat hypocritical for this movie to tout as its message.

Particularly as the good guys get rewarded

have you seen the film?

I watch it daily, right after vespers

i thought it sucked but otoh superbad is one of my all-time faves.

maybe not, but a message/moral like "sex isn't the most important thing in the world" smells like puritan bullshit to me

Have you actually seen the film? I think "sex is not the most important thing in the world" can have several implications, not necessarily just puritanism. The movie certainly isn't puritan in any way.

Anyway, I think the more interesting thing in AP was the gentle deconstruction of traditional male stereotypes. "Sex isn't everything" was just part of that.

Particularly as the good guys get rewarded

The good guys get rewarded because they find ways beyond typical macho behaviour, whereas the characters who cling on to that (Stifler, the red-haired dude) are left with nothing. I think that's a pretty decent message for a movie aimed at teenagers.

But, this film was one of those with "Reward points" for the target audience:

"Consider the feelings of the girls, being treated as objects without reciprocal feelings. OK, well done, here's a bit of pie shagging. And now..."

I don't see why a film shouldn't have both a serious message and bit of pie shagging. At least it wasn't too preachy.

Yeah, but it's very demarkated.

"There's something about Mary" was like that as well.

"Porky's" seemed more intertwined, from what I remember.

Stifler and Sherman get "rewarded" in the sequel but i guess that's because they pay their dues via being humiliated enough beforehand altho that was supposed to be payback for being such jerks in the first place, so it doesn't quite add up. basically everybody wins.

Yeah, there's "2" on ITV now.

Yep: Lots of references to 'last summer' and characters reintroducing themselves. And, not as good... still

You know the girl that goes "One tiiiiime, in band camp..."

Amber does this!