I really enjoyed Clerks the first time I saw it. I was around 15 years old and stoned at a friends house. Around that time I also thought that Mallrats was some of the funniest shit ever, so I guess I was pretty much Kevin Smith's target demographic.
Having seen Clerks more recently, I found it frustrating. The characters are so two-dimensional, the dialogue is just annoying. Sure, there are people who do talk like this, and in some superficial ways the characters were well drawn, but who cares? I don't want to watch a couple of losers fuck around all day. My life is boring enough as it is.
That said, the film contains probably the only funny Jay & Silent Bob material (the highest point being the russian bezerker guy), as well as the oft-quoted '37 dicks' sequence.
I'll probably change my mind about this again, just give me a few minutes.
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)
― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)
still classic, though, if only because Dante wears a Penguin sweater for his game...
and yet huge dud for launching such a mediocre career.
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)
― Pangolino again, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)
That said, I think this is also true:The newer the Smith film, the worser it is (i.e. Clerks>Mallrats>Chasing Amy>Dogma>Jay & Silent Bob...>Jersey Girl)
― Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)
Clerks>Mallrats>Chasing Amy>Jay & Silent Bob>Dogma>anything>Jersey Girl
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)
― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)
― charleston charge (chaki), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)
― Will(iam), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)
― retort pouch (retort pouch), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)
― Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)
― kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)
― a banana (alanbanana), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 06:02 (twenty years ago)
Dogma's kind of forgettable, but had some funny stuff (and Alanis is good as God), J&SB is completely forgettable and Chasing Amy is the only one he's done that's worth watching more than once.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 06:03 (twenty years ago)
Where does 'Vulgar' fit in this scheme?
― dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 06:05 (twenty years ago)
― ade (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 06:07 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 06:45 (twenty years ago)
― Miles Finch, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)
wait isn't that the whole idea?
― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)
Fast forward, what, 10 years? I thought the dialogue was annoying and the acting was plain terrible. But even now, to me, the funny out weights the bad. That whole "going down on yourself" conversation is fucking hilarious. So here's my order of goodness:
the Clerks animated episode where Jay sues Dante > Clerks > Jay & Silent Bob (if you watch the outakes) > the rest of the Clerks animated series > Mallrats > Chasing Amy > bleugh.. who cares the rest is complete garbage
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)
― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)
Didn't it get pulled before it was actually broadcast?
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)
I do have a soft spot for Mallrats, even though it is very amateurish. And I respect Smith for standing up to the Weinsteins over Chasing Amy. But J&SB isn't very good at all (and steals a big part of its plot from Smith's earlier comic series, which was annoying). I haven't braved Jersey Girl yet, although all reports are that it's very bad indeed...
― carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)
Isn't Smith planning a modern day sequel to Clerks? True sign of desperation.
― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)
― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)
― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)
Did he? I thought they were all buddy-buddy for this one.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)
― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)
― carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)
― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)
― charleston charge (chaki), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)
then i saw it on IFC a month ago and realized it was a lot better than i thought. and i got the jokes this time around. so... i guess its not great but it could be a lot worse.
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)
"No time for love, Dr. Jones!"
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)
The movies, I have no urge to see again.
Smith's Marvel comics writing is indirectly responsible for Ben Affleck being cast as Daredevil. (I liked the performance, so that's a neutral statement.) The one Smith Daredevil issue I read was pointlessly racist: The Arab terrorists aren't just evil, they smell bad, too. But maybe it got better after that.
Smith's Clerks costar Jeff Anderson made his own crappy movie, Now You Know:
http://www.citypages.com/filmreviews/detail.asp?MID=4490
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)
After it finished, there was an ad for the Jersey Girl DVD at the end that's a quaint li'l microcosm of his career (to this point) - KS shows pictures of his wife, says that it's hard to keep a hot wife if you ain't making the big $$$, so please please please buy my DVD so's I can hold onto my hot wife. Way to pitch to your target demo, Kevin.
I REALLY wish he'd get away from the ViewAskewVerse stuff. Haven't seen Jersey Girl, but will rep for everything [except Mallrats] [& even that, WTF] if forced to, and with HUGE caveats attached in all cases.
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)
― dave q (listerine), Monday, 7 February 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)
― lyra (lyra), Monday, 7 February 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 7 February 2005 04:55 (twenty years ago)
http://www.viewaskew.com/kevin/jeff.jpg
Kevin Smith has posted some shots from Clerks II on his blog: http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=206
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)
That said, I don't think I'd like any theatre penned and directed by Smith either.
Clerks is probably the only one I can handle because the 16mm black and white and the shitty acting make it just charming enough to get away with not being the best writing in the world. Chasing Amy, on the other hand... Where do I start?... What a fucking turd.
― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)
― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)
Sure, it's boring because by now we've seen it done a billion times. But this kind of thing was really popular in 1994 because people just sitting around and talking bullshit for hours (Beavis and Butthead, Pulp Fiction spring to mind) hadn't really been done much before in tv comedy. Friends came soon after and automatically vapourised the genre, turning dumb teenagers sitting around talking and smoking pot, into upscale workshy dinosaur zoologists and lawyers drinking coffee and trying to get off with each other. The nineties totally ended in 1994.
― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)
If you've been lucky enough to see him give his comments on the deleted scenes that are tacked onto the VHS version of Pulp Fiction, you'll hear him say that he cut one of the scenes because the writing "sounded too much like someone trying to write like [Tarrantino]." Well, duh, Quentin. Everything you write sounds like you're trying too hard to write like you. (Excepting R. Dogs of course.)
Remember that Beavis and Butthead episodes actually have stories, often involving them doing more than just sitting around talking. The bits of them simply cracking jokes to videos are short, and the (commonly regarded) best episodes contain more action (see Cornholio).
Also keep in mind that B&B is much more in the sitcom format. Sitcoms have more in common with theatre and the radio play than they do with film. Their shorter length also allows them to get away with being "nothing but talking" without being boring. Whether you're a big fan of Friends or not, it's pretty easy to see that an episode running 90 minutes with no commercials would be boring if the writing and direction was not modified significantly.
― martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 9 January 2006 15:26 (twenty years ago)
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 28 April 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)
http://gawker.com/newly-discovered-super-horny-marsupials-fuck-me-dead-1708370666
According to Phys.org, researchers have discovered two new species of antechinus, a marsupial whose breeding period is characterized by weeks of frenzied, 14-hour fuckfests until the males get so stressed out they literally die.Lead researcher Dr. Andrew Baker compared the animals’ unusual mating habits to popular HBO fuckfest series Game of Thrones. From ABC Australia: “There’s orgies of violence and sex and, in antechinus, it happens every year.” After a few weeks of copulation, the rise in stress hormones causes the male’s immune system to collapse, with the result far from a happy ending. “They’ll bleed internally, they have ulcers, their fur falls off in patches, sometimes they’re stumbling around blind and still trying to mate,” Dr Baker said.
Lead researcher Dr. Andrew Baker compared the animals’ unusual mating habits to popular HBO fuckfest series Game of Thrones. From ABC Australia:
“There’s orgies of violence and sex and, in antechinus, it happens every year.”
After a few weeks of copulation, the rise in stress hormones causes the male’s immune system to collapse, with the result far from a happy ending.
“They’ll bleed internally, they have ulcers, their fur falls off in patches, sometimes they’re stumbling around blind and still trying to mate,” Dr Baker said.
BERZERKER!!!!!!!!!
― j., Tuesday, 2 June 2015 13:28 (ten years ago)