UEFA sets foreigners limit

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― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

It will decrease the quality of play at first.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Why's that?

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

This will not prevent them using them in their own leagues, and assuming the arms race to win the national league or get into UEFA or Champions League continues, teams will then have to field players that they would not otherwise have used.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea will be fine with this rule. Arsenal will be fucked.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

How do you think Real, Barca, Inter, and Juve will do?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Woah, wait a minute, Celtic didn't have enough homegrown players last season in Champions League squads? I thought they had two homegrown goalies for a start in Marshall and Douglas, also McNamara, Pearson, McGeady (think he counts though Irish, as he came through the ranks at Celtic), Wallace, Beattie...

(they don't have to field the players the way I read it, they don't even have to make onto the pitch they just need to name them in their 25-man squad and sit on the bench alongside the ones that are actually good enough to play)

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

I think the rule should be that you can only have two foreign players and they must be from the same country and visibly matey with each other.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

"Hi, I'm here to teach you the local language and customs!"

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― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

I suggest the only foreign players available should be the Indian guy from Mind Your Language and Herr Flick.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

It's nothing to do with being a furrener. It's about being a product of the club's development programme. Any references to foreigners of nationality would have had Mr Treaty of Rome getting uppity indeed.

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Arsenal will have a couple as those French and Spanish boys qualify after 3 years. And isn't Stuart Taylor still sitting on their bench somewhere?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

So hang on, a minumum of four players in the squad of home nationality or who have been at the club three or more seasons?

I can't think of a single club this will affect. Anywhere.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 3 February 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

3 seasons between the age of craddle and twentysomething.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 3 February 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Uefa then wants six homegrown players by 2007 and eight in 2008.

But this WILL effect what's going on, not to mention:

Of the eight, at least four must be trained by the club's own academy and the rest in the home country.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 4 February 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

Apparently, the four British teams that would fail by this criteria are: Chelsea (top of the Premiership); Arsenal (undefeated Premiership champions of last season); Celtic (best team in Scotland); Rangers (second best team in Scotland). Says it all really.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 February 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

I support this rule.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 4 February 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

I support this rule too. It's rules like this that pushed Man U to play Giggs, Scholes, Butt, Beckham in Europe, whne they probably would have preferred not to. WOuld they have ended up as good if it wasn't for the rule? Probably not, i would say. The winner here is football.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 4 February 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

It's rules like this that pushed Man U to play Giggs, Scholes, Butt, Beckham in Europe, whne they probably would have preferred not to

wait who would they have played instead?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

um question. if kolo toure's little brother has been at the arsenal academy for three years (which i think he has now) does he count as a homegrown player?

if that's the case won't the big clubs be stripping developing countries of their talent even sooner than they are already? and won't this lead to more failed careers?

hold on, i've just realised that what i'm basically saying here is "won't somebody think of the children"...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 4 February 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Dadaismus, are you saying it's essentially an anti-London, anti-Scots thing?

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 4 February 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

I think the rule should be that you can only have two foreign players and they must be from the same country and visibly matey with each other.

I can't be the only one who read this as visibly mate with each other the first time I read it.

― frankiemachine, Friday, 4 February 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

and anti-ajax, the only other club in the champleague who couldn't fit the criteria.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 4 February 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

And I still don't understand why Celtic don't fit it.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 4 February 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

From the game against AC Milan
21 Magnus Hedman
6 Bobo Balde
4 Jackie McNamara (Dunfermline)
5 Joos Valgaeren
23 Stanislav Varga
18 Neil Lennon
46 Aiden McGeady
19 Stilian Petrov
8 Alan Thompson
10 John Hartson
9 Chris Sutton
Substitutes
20 Robert Douglas (From Livingston)
16 Ulrik Laursen
33 Ross Wallace
7 Osvaldo Juninho Paulista
29 Shaun Maloney
3 Momo Sylla
27 Henri Camara

Am I missing any other 'club trained' player?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

David Marshall, Stephen Pearson and Craig Beattie were all involved in the European campaign this season, I thought, so it's not like we couldn't have done it. I knew we shouldn't have sold Liam Miller though.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Of the eight, at least four must be trained by the club's own academy and the rest in the home country.
Uefa defines a club-trained player as one who has been registered for a minimum of three seasons with the club between the age of 15 and 21.

Pearson, by UEFA's criteria, would not qualify as he hasn't been at Celtic for 3 years between the ages 15 and 21. I'm not even sure if Beattie was, he was at the Rangers academy for a few years before coming to us. Of the ones Mr Noodles lists, only Maloney, Wallace and McGeady would qualify - and Maloney has been out for nearly a year with a cruciate injury.

Oh, and we didn't sell Liam Miller, the wee cunt decided £25k a week for not playing a ManU was better than £22k a week playing for Celtic.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

If he comes back, John Kennedy counts. And keeping the bench warm behind Douglas, Hedman and Marshall is Michael McGovern who will probably count if he sticks around long enough. Pearson was at Motherwell long enough to count for the home country part though.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 4 February 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

Don't forget Rocco Quinn's name appearing once every 2 months in the subs list, though I'm not sure if he's made it into a European squad yet.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 4 February 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and we didn't sell Liam Miller, the wee cunt decided £25k a week for not playing a ManU was better than £22k a week playing for Celtic/

OK, pedant, but we still never negotiated a decent and timely contract deal for one of our most promising players for years, thereby allowing someone else to sign him. Happy now?

What the fuck does this do to the odd wee club that flukes its way to the Scottish Cup Final? How many clubs here have academies anyway?

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 5 February 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)

it´s utterly stupid. in this instance being a proffesional footballer should be like any other job. imagine if your workplace HAD to have a certain number of people from a certain place or they would be shut down or whatever.

― Lovelace, Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Yes, good point - I work for a university in London, and there is no requirement on my department that a certain proportion of the staff have to have studied there.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

OK, pedant, but we still never negotiated a decent and timely contract deal for one of our most promising players for years,

I'm not being pedantic, I just think the blame for Liam Miller leaving Celtic lies with one person alone.
The contract he was offered was decent enough, and the fact that he'd spent most of his 7 Celtic years on loan or injured might have affected the timeliness of the deal. He did only play something like 16 games for Celtic and had only really become a semi-established player by October. Celtic were saying in November they were going to sort out a contract, Liam Miller was saying in December he was going to sign it, then he spent his Christmas break in Manchester (without telling Celtic he was going) and signed for Utd four days later.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 5 February 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

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