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for example:

http://www.angelfire.com/super/sotcaabits/forums/tgpstrand94.html

some people have an irrational fear of clowns; i have one of comedy geeks. i love comedy (though never stand-up, especially on tv), but while i've always loved reading about pop music and movies, i have never got to grips with the criteria used by comedy geeks.

sotcaa is a famously nasty place, more so even than ilm, which is odd for a place devoted ostensibly to laughter. does analysing a joke really kill it?

Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

i dont like comedy

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 4 February 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

that forum is rubbish (sample question "what is the point of Simon Pegg?")

i love good comedy and loathe bad comedy - defining both as i wish. i do like analysing what it is that makes certain jokes funny esp. on The Simpsons but my enthusiasm/obsession doesn't stretch to wanting to argue with people on sotcaa about why My Family/Spaced is the absolute nadir or our culture or somesuch.

i have been working on a major Comedy Geek project lately tho i.e. a list of post-Comic Strip British comedy performers running vertically down and horizontally across the page like a mileage chart or football fixture list, the meeting point being the programme they first or most famously appeared in together (ideally at the same time)

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 4 February 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

about why My Family/Spaced is the absolute nadir or our culture or somesuch.

i have pretty much already done this on ILE of course

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 4 February 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

[my family snot that bad]

Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

http://www.americanphoto.co.jp/photosearch/Previews/CIN91044_079.jpg

f--gg (gcannon), Friday, 4 February 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

That's not Ned's best side.

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 4 February 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

I tend to be with Groucho Marx with the whole "comedy's like a fog" thing. I don't really want to know how it works.

That site looks scary, like if ILM turned to the Dark Side.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

The British Comedy Industry continues to baffle me.

I don't know. Most jokes DON'T hold up to scrutiny, and they're not supposed to. I always get mad at my dad when he points out the incongruities of my jokes.

Huk-L, Friday, 4 February 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

can he post here?

f--gg (gcannon), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

[winky]

f--gg (gcannon), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

You hafta know how it works if you try to DO it, alas... I was better at improv than standup.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

that's probably true, but it's like music, really, there aren't laws governing it. i mean what would a musicologist make of 'galang'?

it's a mystery to me -- someone like will ferrell who seems to be making it up as he goes along i find hilarious, but i can't stand eddie izzard.

Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

At every comedy event I've been part of, improv especially, there's been a pack of dudes (and usually one or two ladies) in a corner somewhere, doing other people's stuff. I was talking about this with a well-known comedian once (he's even had his own terrible, terrible TV show), and he pointed out that those people tend to stay there. "When I was starting out," he told me, "and the other comics would sit at the back of the bar afterwards doing other people's routines, I would go back to my hotel and spend my time on my own material."

Which seemed like very good advice.

Huk-L, Friday, 4 February 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

I remember Alexei Sayle saying somewhere about how his wife had noticed "you know, when you say something funny/original, your mates who are comedians also, never laugh, they go "Hmm" like they're storing it for later..."

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

sotcaa is a famously nasty place, more so even than ilm, which is odd for a place devoted ostensibly to laughter.

their messageboard included an incredibly unpleasant thread about myself and everett true, when we launched careless talk costs lives, about how, as thriving members of the music press (of course, ET and i were barely making a living/getting published at the time, because this WASN'T ACTUALLY TRUE) we were actually part of the problem we were trying to cure. it soon became clear that the SOTCAA readership were actually just interested in rereading the NME of their youth and delighting in andrew collins' bon mots about Carter USM.

some of the accusations thrown at ET and I there were hilarious in just how off-the-point they were.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Well, moreso than music, everyone who enjoys comedy thinks they can do it.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

I always think that these are the kind of people who laugh more at in-references than at real jokes. And they laugh loudly and fakely, to show you that they got the reference.

I hate them.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 4 February 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

am I missing something? but no one seems to have posted there sinve 2001

elwisty (elwisty), Friday, 4 February 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Way to run a msg board, NERDS.

Huk-L, Friday, 4 February 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I am one.

When I was in middle school I NEVER bought music albums; only comedy albums. I had 5 or 6 George Carlin albums, all of Adam Sandler's albums, 2 Chris Rock albums, and a giant Monty Python box set.

I had tons of SNL Best ofs on VHS, a huge amount of Def Comedy Jam tapes I specially ordered, and I would stay up late at night to watch old SNLs and SCTVs.

Ive seen every episode of In Living Color, Kids in the Hall, at least a dozen seasons of SNL, every Monty Python movie and Flying Circus episode you can rent.

I could relate to comedians more than anybody. They were rock stars in my eyes. The reason I'm into literature at all is I started going to Borders for the sole purpose of buying books from the "humor" section. I bought Steve Martin's book, Jon Stewart's book, Drew Carrey's book, Chris Rock's book any book by a comedian I could. I wanted to get into their heads. I didn't discriminate between good and bad comedians (although I did have comedians I enjoyed and comedians I didn't; it didn't matter however, I wanted to know how all of them thought.)

For my bar mitzvah, I had to do a research project (it was a secular-humanistic judaisim kind of thing) and I did it on the Marx brothers.

They shaped my life profoundly and I don't care if that makes me a comedy geek.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 4 February 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

That's fair play. I just wanted to hate on sotcaa basically! I'm not a comedy geek but I'm no slouch.

Miles Finch, Friday, 4 February 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

It's not people who love their comedy I hate, David. My own family is pretty comedy-oriented. My brother is a comedian and he still rings us up when he meets one of his heroes (when he interviewed Carl Reiner he rang me in the middle of the night to tell me about it), but some people just suck all the fun out of it.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 4 February 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

(it was a secular-humanistic judaisim kind of thing)

Dude, my little brother did this. His project was on Benny Goodman, and he presented it at like this group secular bar mitzvah. I was kind of creeped out. I'm glad that someone else knows about this.

adam (adam), Friday, 4 February 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Growing up in the '70s, I bought plenty comedy albums ... Pryor, Cosby, Python, Carlin, Martin, Robert Klein, the Woody Allen compilation.

A small group of my friends get together about 3x annually and watch comedy film shorts from the silents to the '50s. (Acquired mostly through bootlegs and swaps. In one case, guy who video'd one off an Amsterdam museum screening.) We used to do this on celluloid/projector up til about 10 years ago.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 February 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

It's not people who love their comedy I hate, David. My own family is pretty comedy-oriented. My brother is a comedian and he still rings us up when he meets one of his heroes (when he interviewed Carl Reiner he rang me in the middle of the night to tell me about it), but some people just suck all the fun out of it.
-- accentmonkey (tris...), February 4th, 2005.

Oh, you're right. But I also can't take anti-comedy geeks too. The type that completely lacks any sense of irony and always complains that comedic movies are "stupid."

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 4 February 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Then we are in complete agreement. Hurrah!

So you could have been one of the people who helped me out when I was wondering what to buy my brother for Christmas. Not directly, but one of the Lost Threads during December was one about great comedy albums. I bought him a couple of the early Cosby ones and he was very happy.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 4 February 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

am I missing something? but no one seems to have posted there sinve 2001

That site is actually an archive of old posts from a now no longer existing forum. The SOTCAA lot now post on the Cook'd & Bomb'd board.

Incidentally, their new site has a fascinating article on Sir Christopher Mayhew, the member of parliment who took mescaline in front of a BBC film crew as an experiment in the 1950's.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Sunday, 13 February 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

What is SOTCAA?

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Sunday, 13 February 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

A comedy criticism site, mainly focusing on British comedy (Morris, Coogan, Comic Strip, etc). This is their current site.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Sunday, 13 February 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

I've been downloading comedy albums like crazy lately.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 13 February 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

which ones do you recommend

charleston charge (chaki), Sunday, 13 February 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
From the current message board meltdown at Cookd And Bombd:

Chers penis wrote:
Forgive me but i have to ask, what is SOTCAA?


Imagine if Richard Littlejohn swallowed a Blackadder box set.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 29 April 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god, SOTCCA. I've never seeen such a miserable bunch of so-called comedy fans.

chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Sunday, 30 April 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)


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