Wireless/Broadband UK

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ok, so if i want to get broadband in my new place, but go wireless, what is best? i have an airport-ready ibook. i presume i need a base station (apparently linksys make cheapish ones?), then which provider is best these days? and is adsl or cable better these days?

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

UK online is giving away a free base station if you sign up with them.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

as far as providers go, the cheapest deals are with UK online and bulldog.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

And avoid D-Link, my dad has a D-Link and it keeps loosing it's settings and was obtuse to configure in the first place.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

I have a D-Link base station. Out of the box, wireless encryption just didn't work at all - trying to set it up just resulted in the thing locking up and having to be power-cycled. After downloading a firmware update, it's been fine, though.

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Which one was it?

Ed (dali), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

(looks)

It's a DSL-G604T - a combined ADSL modem, ethernet hub and wireless AP. We don't actually have ADSL yet, so I have no idea how well that side of it performs.

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

it seems DSL is the way to go, rather than cablemodems a la blueyonder?

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

yes, you can get much more bandwidth for your money now with ADSL.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

ok, dsl comes over the phoneline? i'd need to find out if there is a phoneline in my new place? and, what if its in someone elses name? or do i just get a new phone line?

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Yes, (A)DSL comes over your phone line - it probably needs no work in your home apart from plugging in little filtering widgets between your phones and their wall sockets.

caitlin (caitlin), Saturday, 5 February 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

ok, if i go with a service where i have to provide my own wireless router, which one should i get?

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 5 February 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Don't get any that promise 108Mbps, it'll do you no good. Ebuyer have an own brand combined modem router for 28.99, sounds good to me.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 5 February 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

i've had no problem with Bulldog

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Saturday, 5 February 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

I use the Belkin F5D7630uk4A Wireless Router and had never had any problems.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Sunday, 6 February 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Get this cute one to match your computer:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/71608/wo/wS3tDTGRcTA43kShjL92P9YjX4b/1.0.11.1.0.6.12

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 6 February 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

shush

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 6 February 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

The airport express is all well and good but it has no adsl modem in it.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 6 February 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

i use homechoice and like it. for what i do, it's ideal-- it's fairly cheap, and is a TV/broadband package for about the same price as other broadband packages. plus, they set it up and it was all really easy.

i wouldn't get the wireless router thingy from them, just get it set up and buy one to plug in myself. the only catch is if you download tons, there's a bandwidth limit, which i haven't ever reached.

colette (a2lette), Monday, 7 February 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

what is the homechoice cap - i've just got this myself (it is pretty good i'd say - what's the turn over of the on-demand stuff?) and didn't know there was one!

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 7 February 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

found it:

1Mb service  30GB per calendar month
2Mb service  45GB per calendar month
4Mb service  60GB per calendar month

and they just doubled everyone so i'm in the 2Mb service. smashing

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 7 February 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

it depends on the show for on demand...west wing season 2 was on when i got it, for a few months, and now it's season 3. BBC stuff seems to turn over more quickly than US series. have you found the extra menu of 'classic' US tv? we love watching 'fame' and 'dukes of hazzard' whenever there's nothing else on.

also, good going finding that info on the limits-- i hadn't remembered what it was, but seriously doubt i'd ever reach 30GB in a month.

colette (a2lette), Monday, 7 February 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

have you found the extra menu of 'classic' US tv - CORRR! i'll have to hunt around for that.

i think the "replay" is the killer feature though. "there's nothing AT ALL on RIGHT now, if only i'd been arsed to record that thing i was half interested in - that would be better than nowt". just wish it wasn't quite so random - it's not even the same thing from week to week, except for 'stenders - and right now the prospect of never missing any ep of stenders ever again is not a big seller.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 7 February 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

i think it's in 'US drama' and if you click on the one at the bottom, it'll pull up a whole additional menu...woo, hours of fun!

colette (a2lette), Monday, 7 February 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

im thinking of going with freedom2surf. is this good or bad? now i need to find a suitable wireless router

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 7 February 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

A colleague just got a load of netgear stuff cheap, I'll ask him where he got it from.

Ed (dali), Monday, 7 February 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

yeah, ed, if you could pass that info to me as well? think i'm ready to buy a wireless router for my shiny new powerbook...

colette (a2lette), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 10:54 (twenty years ago)

broadbandbuyer.co.uk

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

it's not wireless, but if anyone is interested, i have an unwanted "SpeeedTOUCH" 500 ADSL router - one ethernet port out it was 45 quid brand new.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

I haven't set a password for my mom's routher in suburbia. I brought my ibook home and could jump right on the internet. Should I set a password?

Also, is my router a firewall? Should i undo the firewall setting on my mom's iBook?

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

I got broadband, I dunno why. I was trying not to use the internet so much. Everything is faster it would seem. I'm really afraid of getting hijacked and virused...even though I don't use IE and just ran live update on me anti-virus. I dunno, it's scary.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 12 February 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I just got one of those kinda weird adverts about your computer being at risk thingies pop-up. Damn, forgot to activate me firewall.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 12 February 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

probably worth installing Spyware Guard and SpyBlaster no?

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Saturday, 12 February 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

yep, I will do that!

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 12 February 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
ok, so i now have homechoice, but also a netgear DG834G router with built-in adsl modem. do i have any hope of using this with homechoice, or am i really going to have to buy a wireless router w/out modem (which seems like a step back!). there's a thread about it on digital spy, which i've posted to:

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=216243

but i thought i'd ask here on the off-chance that someone (alan?) might know more than me about the subject (i.e. almost nothing).

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 19 May 2005 05:54 (twenty years ago)

You ought to be able to use it as a wireless router, without using the
ADSL modem bit.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 May 2005 06:29 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha! I work for Homechoice! Lol! I'm not too sure if you can use that particular kind of modem but I know our routers are Netgear ones anyway.

d0g latin (dog latin), Thursday, 19 May 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

You ought to be able to use it as a wireless router, without using the
ADSL modem bit.

do you know anything about how i might try setting it up, ed?! like i say, my knowledge stops at the point of plugging the cables into the box...

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 19 May 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

ah, ok, really does seem like i need a new router:

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=216243

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 19 May 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
how is freedom2surf working out for you, gareth?

would other people recommend ukonline / bulldog?

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 12 June 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
ok

I am trying to get broadband but here's the catch, I can only get it off one of the main, reputable providers (BT, aol, virgin, NTL &c.) (I'm not sure tiscali even qualifies) so

do any of the big co.s provide an unlimited service which is both a. fast and b. good? (nb. also must be unlimited) (fast = 1mb/2mb; I'm not too fussed with anything above that)

is there such a thing as wireless broadband? I mean, does it differ from normal broadband? if I get normal broadband, can I use it both wirelessly and via a land-line hooked-up computer?

sorry abt the pathetic noob questions

thanks ilx!

c/n (Cozen), Thursday, 30 June 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

ok

c/n (Cozen), Thursday, 30 June 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

why only off one of the main ones?

freedom2surf is great, i guess they're not big though?

wireless broadband, basically, i guess this is adsl. if you get a wireless router/adsl modem, you can use with both a wireless and hooked up computer at same time yes

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 30 June 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

I'm getting it installed at my parents - my dad is a conservative shopper and I guess doesn't want to get uh 'stung' by a less visible, lesser known provider

so, yeah, I don't think freedom2surf is viable

I'll look around kelkoo and that, see if the guardian's run any articles lately

c/n (Cozen), Thursday, 30 June 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

freedom2surf is a monthly contract. can cancel anytime if unhappy

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 30 June 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

ok well I'll try compile a list of bigger ones and smaller ones, so he can compare

thanks fr the help, charlton

c/n (Cozen), Thursday, 30 June 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Ah we got broadband today from BT and i'm still waiting for it to be activated.

Set up the hub and stuff which has a sad red light where a green light for broadband should be.

They said it could be anytime until 8!

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

god...

bt have said it wont be activated at all now because they dont have any space at their exchange or something.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

No room at the Innternet?

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

Internets full go home is the message.

I don't think there's anything BT can do but this has pissed me off so much. Why offer a service if you can't provide it!

Can anybody reccomend Bulldog broadband? I just spoke to them on the phone and the guy called me Bludd.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

My friend is head of BT Broadband, Hari - shall I put in a word?

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)

Bulldog are good (tho they have not replied to my latest e-mail enquiry yet), but they still have to go through BT exchanges.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

Wow, putting in a word would be amazing. But at the same time if the space really is full i'm not sure what they can do.

But if you're serious then email me at my gmail and i'll tell you my account deets or something!

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

Bulldog is LLU so you will be on separate equipment from BT. Of course that doen't meant that bulldog won't be full but worth a call to them.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 10:22 (twenty years ago)

I wanted to go with Bulldog, but when I phoned up to order they told me it would take 6 weeks to connect me. So I went with BT, who seem to have improved a bit since I used them 18 months ago.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

Go Homechoice!

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

but when I phoned up to order they told me it would take 6 weeks to connect me

argh this will be a pain when i move as apparently they can't just switch my account to a new number/address. Ed, do you have any idea why they can't do that? i am clueless about these things but i can't believe it's that difficult really. (blueyonder were able to do it iirc).

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Okay, I got the Nildram August newsletter and the following paragraph worries me:

In March Nildram announced the introduction of a Fair Use Quota on most consumer services that we provide. When we initially announced this we stated that we aimed to begin enforcing this quota by speed limiting accounts to 64Kbps in July. To ensure that the system is fully tested and that the data shown in My Controls is accurate we have undertaken an extended period of testing. This extension to testing ensures that the system is fully robust and has meant a delay in enforcing the quota. Now that testing is complete Nildram can confirm that quota enforcement will commence on 19 September 2005.

Am I right in thinking that this means that they will limit the performance of my broadband connection to only slightly better than fucking DIALUP during whatever they consider to be peak times??

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

I'm on Nildram with a 2MB service I'm going to query this.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

i'm going to need a new provider next month, anybody have any experiences with tiscali or ukonline?

zappi (joni), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

Okay reading it fully, what it means is if you go over your download quota (rolling, cumulative 50GB a month) then they will limit you to 64Kbs.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)

we're switching back to regular broadband from homechoice soon, but want something that doesn't have a 12-month contract if possible...any suggestions? need something fairly quick, ideally with either no or very high download limits.

colette (a2lette), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

Bulldog appear to be doing super-wide broadband offers with just a rolling month-by-month contract right now.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

Virgin have no contracts, but they charge you for giving them up, so it amounts to the same thing.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

go with freedom2surfs adsl, they have rolling contract, done very quickly, no limits as far as i can see. totally happy with their service

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)

thanks charltonlido, thats the best one i've seen so far

zappi (joni), Friday, 19 August 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
ok, just trying to compare providers now - i thought adslguide used to have a league table by customer satisfaction, but i can't find it now?

anyway, what we need is something with at most a 6 month contract, definitely no download limit (and ok with p2p stuff), pref no setup charge. doesn't matter if it's a bit more expensive, as i have a grant to pay it.

also, are any of the superfast 8meg (bulldog etc) any good, or do they have contention issues (is that what they're called?)?

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

Bulldog's handwritten advertising puts me off. They are often in the shopping centre, trying to sign people up.

This is not very useful, I know.

Also, what happens if you give up your 12 month contract before 12 months is up? Can you pass it on to somebody else, like?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

Bulldog are currently struggling with their automated billing system. I was overcharged for last month, and their customer services dept. also appear to be struggling to cope with the influx of enquiries and frustrated customers as a result of this.

Have had absolutely no problems with the 8mb line itself though...and it IS cheap - supposedly 1 month rolling contract only, def no download limit.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone else get the feeling that ADSL in the UK has become a sticky, clouded place of mystery where once it was very clear cut and simple (about two years ago)?

I'm speaking of my experience connecting ADSL at my now house, where ISPs all seem to be jumping on the download cap bandwagon, but never really fully explaining what the cap actually is, and instead using vague, rolling cumulative limits and speed limiting heavy users?

Is this just a consequence of the takeup of broadband? I preferred it when *I* was cutting-edge ;)

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

That would be a *new* house, of course.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

Thing is, the cheap prices are presumably achieved by cost cutting measures, such as having crappy automated billing services and useless customer service. Not that this is in any way unusual, of course.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

Curiously, it was absoultely fine for the first 6 months (before switching to the 8mb line).

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

ok, the adslguide forums have put me right off bulldog, plusnet, etc, but freedom2surf sounds pretty great. has anyone here migrated between adsl providers ever? is it a big hassle?

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

The lengths people have to go to in order to avoid an uncool aol account...

Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

I'm speaking of my experience connecting ADSL at my now house, where ISPs all seem to be jumping on the download cap bandwagon, but never really fully explaining what the cap actually is, and instead using vague, rolling cumulative limits and speed limiting heavy users?

Is this just a consequence of the takeup of broadband? I preferred it when *I* was cutting-edge ;)

Where I am they don't have a limit per se, more a user guideline to stop other users being affected by things like contention ratio (i.e. how many users can be connected at a time in any one area without your system slowing down). So for instance if you're on a 1Mb connection it is suggested you try not to download over 30Gb a month or else you may be asked to upgrade to a higher download bracket. Max speed lines (6-8Mb lines) are completely uncapped.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
Dear BT, please die. Moved into a new flat a week ago. They told us to ring to order broadband today (god knows why we couldn't do it then) and now we hear it'll be another two weeks before we receive it. And 'it' may well just be the modem and not the actual service. 21 days to get broadband sorted. And no, they don't have a freephone number we can use for dial-up in the meantime so our total phone bill for dial-up alone will reach about £40-50. We chose BT despite the higher price because we're hoping beyond hope that they won't screw us around like UKonline / Onetel have in the past.

American broadband users, how long does it take to get broadband set up once you move into a new place? I remember reading about Gwyneth Paltrow (?) complaining about UK services, saying what takes 24 hours to be sorted in the US takes 24 DAYS over here. Why is the UK such a shitty mess at things like this? Any advice / sympathy? [/rant]

Affectian (Affectian), Friday, 7 July 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
1 voyager.home (192.168.1.1) 2.630 ms 2.061 ms 1.883 ms
2 l1.ar11.hx4.bb.pipex.net (194.106.38.251) 767.957 ms 1172.100 ms 1349.809 ms

dear oh dear

-- (688), Thursday, 7 September 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)





Speed Test Results




Downstream
50.6 Kbps

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Upstream
7.4 Kbps

( = 0.0 Mbps )
 

!

-- (688), Thursday, 7 September 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

so...anyone got any recommendations of isps?

ones that pipex havent bought out, might be a good place to start

-- (688), Thursday, 7 September 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)


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