I just found out that in Greece they need to serve at least one year in the army. Damn that sucks…

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I’ve never been to Greece but my best buddy has and he says the guys are assholes. No wonder, imagine if you had a country where everyone is suddenly forced into dodgy homoerotic bonding for a year and taught that the way to a good life is to have your bed properly ironed. Man, I’m glad I’m not Greek. I’d probably sooner be Russian even.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

This is true. In turkey too. I knew a guy (Turkish) who was trying his best to avoid his draft, as he was gay and had entirely the opposite problem you describe.

Basically, you can 'buy' yourself 'out' i.e. you get to go somewhere nice and only 'serve' a month. My sister's husband did this (he is not the guy mentioned above obv.), his memento is a nice pic of himself next to a tank...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

If you can't do that, you can 'postpone' it, but you have to do it before you are 60 or something. I guess there's a lot of people waiting for this to be abolished.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I know this crazy Greek guy through my flatmates who hasn't been back home in years cos this of this. One my flatmates is a Greek lass and her brother just went in last night. He’s not best happy but she thinks it’s not such a bad thing because wacky cultures have a way of hammering this BS into you that it’s good.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Wacky culture? It wasn't that long ago it was compulsory here. I think it's called 'putting a brave face on things'.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess the logic is that greece have a rather uneasy thing with cyprus and turkey going on, so they see the draft as necessary. These are old arguments, but I really don't think, from a military standpoint, that Poor Bloody Infantry is any use whatsoever to a modern army.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Russian eh, they get two years compulsory military service.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Come on man, everyone knows them Greeks are wacky. In Greece how do you separate the men from the boys? With a crowbar!

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost I think that was why it was abolished here. Train the whole of your population and then never use them? That's going to save you a few bob...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, infantry so useless, Balkans so peaceful...

― Miles Finch, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost mate, you don't do funny! As Dean Martin said to Frank Sinatra (page one of the Rat Pack book)

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's a list of where this still happens. I used to live in a town close to an army base where German soldiers used to come for artillery training. They liked to go to watch strippers and many wore too much cologne. I knew one guy who stayed to work at the 7-11 close to where I lived. He was really nice.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:00 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost Yes, or course infantry is a good thing, but skilled infantry that wants to be there. Cannon fodder is, from what I can gather, more of a hinderence than a help in modern warfare. If trained, skilled, motivated soldiers can publicly fuck up (cf Iraq) then less skilled draftees are gonna be an even greater liability, surely?

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not a big fan of the military anyway. Heh - funny story. This ex-grunt was dating my old flatmate and she thought he was the bees knees cos he brought her breakfast in bed and shit.Whenever he saw something on telly that he figured was sexist, or if I commented on how hot someone was, he’d be like, “Now, now mate – it’s all about respect” etc etc HA! What a dick because all along I knew that he was banging his proper girlfriend behind my flatmate’s porky butt. “He’s working nights tonight” and other such crap would come from her mouth and not once did I feel she deserved the truth because she was dim enough to be humping him anyway.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you ever been to Greece or Cyprus, Calum?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops sorry, just read "I've never been to greece".

Where's the funny story, then?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I’d love to see Greece, man.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

if you had a country where everyone is suddenly forced into dodgy homoerotic bonding for a year

What do you find homoerotic about the army, Calum?

Is there something you'd like to tell us??

Am I right in thinking that the Spanish still have to do national service too? Yeah, its pretty horrid to my English eyes.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Did your "best buddy" tell you just why he thought the guys were "assholes"? I must confess I came back from Cyprus thinking all Cypriot men were assholes, but it wasn't anything to do w/the army, or "homoeroticism".

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeh, I've never been to Greece, but I've never met a nice chap from Greece. Saying that, I wouldn't want the English to be judged by all the english tourists on holiday.

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

He said they were bullish, always acting overly macho, really derogatory to women. You'll need to ask him.

I think if there was an uninhabited country I'd set up "C-Man World" and it would be ace. No military, just lurve and happiness. A bit like the Playboy Mansion but with me instead of Hef.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Was that you last night on the TV, trying to set up that nightclub "Hey Joe"?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

That was pretty much my experience. My wife described it as a culture of permanent sexual harassment. The "high" point was - she was walking past a field, and this guy who was working there says - "would you like me to fuck you" (I mean, that's actually what he said) and when she said "no", his reply was "but my house is less than 1km away".

t/s "overly macho" vs "a bit like the playboy mansion"

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I’d totally go to the Playboy Mansion while quietly voicing my disgust at the obnoxious wealth on display and the glamourised whorehouse that it undoubtedly is. Not that I’d tell any of the playmates that cos I’d want to get off with them.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

my best buddy has and he says the guys are assholes
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really derogatory to women
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C-Man's best buddy thinks he's an asshole.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

t/s: "getting off" vs "snogging"

― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

If I bagged me a playmate I'd be boasting about it for a looong time.

As long as it wasn't Anna Nicole Smith or one of the OAPs.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

If you 'bagged' a female of any species or age, dead or alive, you'd fucking faint.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been with the same one for over four years now.... so.... no.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

so why so bitter towards other women?

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, who says I am?

We've actually been off and on for a bit. I did another thread about this (the circumstance one).

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

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