Lesbian Until Graduation (LUG): Classic or Dud?

On second thought, classic.

This statement is everything wrong with America right now. It takes 'nerve' to be promiscuous and sexually irresponsible, eh? Gee, it's really unfortunate, then, that our dads were such scaredy cats that they managed to raise families and own homes and never end up in jail or a VD clinic. What a bunch of squares.

Jail? Are you kidding?

I don't even know where to start with that.

Maybe I'll start with your disgusting assumption that anyone who dabbles in homosexuality -- or, by extension, is homosexual -- is promiscuous and irresponsible. I never said I had a metric ton of sex in college, only that I tried it different ways.

Jail or a VD clinic. My God.

Why gay men resent bisexuals is a whole other thread, and one that shouldn't even be started.

who WE'RE talking about, should read. You're invoking the thread quaestion while talking about something else.

xpost - rog isn't a libertarian matt!

re: VD and jail - I was merely responding to your celebration of being 'loose' and all that it implies. I tend to think the generation you seem to find such a bunch of prudes (and, if we're talking post- Civil Rights, really weren't prudes at all) had a much better handle on things, and to dismiss them as somehow not having any 'nerve' is preposterous and worth challenging

But that's the whole problem with your argument. You're equating bisexuality or homosexuality with being loose. Actually, you're being a big fat biggot.

blount - from what i can gather from your incomprehensible post, you're accusing me of hating lesbians. Is that it? Because I really don't.

and as far as you being the eminem of ILX: does that mean you're happy about being increasingly shrill and unpopular and irrelevant?

hahahah ok one at a time - i never said 'my best friends are lesbians' - my best friends are commies, jews and Krazy Katholics - everybody knows that. and I explained myself with the following, upthread, which I will repeat for those with scrolling difficulties:

re: VD and jail - I was merely responding to your celebration of being 'loose' and all that it implies. I tend to think the generation you seem to find such a bunch of prudes (and, if we're talking post- Civil Rights, really weren't prudes at all) had a much better handle on things, and to dismiss them as somehow not having any 'nerve' is preposterous and worth challenging

This is true enough. A lot less irritating, too.

very clear and specific. Thanks.

Haha, "starting"!

It had to be done.

Most men. I know that I would probably feel very insecure about it if I dated a bisexual girl. I don't know, maybe not. But it kinda hits off a lot of irrational insecurity buttons in my head when I think about it.

Its never been an issue, it just is. *shrug*

Why does it just seem like this whole dud-thing for Roger stems from his inability to get any college tail on the side and his inability to recognize that this might stem from the fact that he's an overweight goatied fuckhead--shit I might claim I was a lesbian just to let the loser down easy. . . maybe there should be a new acronym like LURGA aka Lesbian Until Roger Goes Away? I can't think of any other reason why a guy whose so adamant that folks should be keeping the fuck out of his house would give a shit what and when other folks do on there own time.

I know at least one person whom I suspect fits this description , not that I can be 100 percent certain. Though the fact she describes herself as a lesbian and denies being bi, while hooking up with guys on a regular basis, strikes me as odd.

Of course why people care about someone elses sexuality is probably a good question, but if people are lying about things for image's sake or whatever reason then it's understandable that this would rankle. It's also kind of insulting to feel you're being lied to by a friend, about their sexuality, a matter of actual gravitas and surely a fairly big deal for most people.

To be honest I've never heard about LUGs much in school, but BUG was a big term when I was in school and it always used to describe women. I know a lot of gay people who were really pissed off at these folks, some because they felt like they had gotten burned by them, BUT mostly it seemed more like they felt that these flighty women were simply taking advantage of certain sexual freedoms post-Stonewall without any of the political committment and the long term social disadvantage and they resented the fact that bisexuals (of both gendrs) could flit so easily between worlds. And bisexuality was definitely a word which carried a lot of negative connotations then and I think now it may be completely out of fashion--replaced by polyamory or whatever. So I can see why people who were curious about relationships (sexual or long-term) with the same sex would be more inclined to call themselves lesbian or gay rather than bisexual or whatever else. It's probably not particularly honest, but when people are young and in college I don't think they are particularly honest about much when it comes to relationships.

Anyway I think sexual curiousity is completely classic. I also think calling yourself gay or lesbian when you aren't is probably kind of dud, BUT I also think that giving people who are young and curious and probably slightly confused (as I certainly was at 18-19) shit about how they label themselves or the fact that they are young, curious and confused is really truly dud.

I agree, I think if the person isn't actually confused though it's particularly bad to label themselves one thing or another, especially when you can be fairly sure the lie isn't displayed for the benefit of their families etc.

I mean sure, on one hand I think an over-abundance of cynicism about peoples sexual preferences is extremely unhealthy, but I do think that people pretending to be gay is something which happens, for whatever reason. And this surely only adds to cynicism about sexual freedoms.

Ronan OTM

General experimentation is really NOT prevalent at my college. I'd hate to come out here as bi or gay. Not that people are homophobic or overly conservative, I just don't think a lot of them are quite as comfortable with it as my friends from high school, for multiple reasons.

I've loomed but really have nothing to contribute to this thread, which has become boring since I went to the Waffle House, but to quickly address Alex's summation of my inner workings: if you knew anything about Purchase, you'd know that 'college tail,' like heroin, was in no short supply at any time - it's practically Sodom and Gomorrah o'er there. I don't have a goatee, but an impressive neckbeard, and, while still proudly in possession of a mighty tank, have lost 12 pounds by accident merely by cutting out soda (or, as they call it down south, 'coke'). I'd resort to childish namecalling and make fun of YOUR appearance, but the truth is, I'm man enough to admit that I envy your vaguely "sophisticated Die Hard criminal nemesis hell bent on world domination and beating Bruce Willis's ass with his MIND not his gun" look

but looking back i think any kind of experimentation or promiscuity or casual superficiality having to do with sex bothered me. i always knew i only wanted big, intense, soul connections (of the heterosexual variety). but i hate myself for it cuz it involves a lot of waiting and lonliness and self-doubt and utter lack of control. i could never relate to people who could make do with whatever. and they always made me bitter with envy.

Hi Dan!

Above: Self-described "open-minded" heterosexual Michael Litwin.
"I'm a very open, curious person, and right now I'm in a bit of an exploratory phase, sexually," Litwin said. "The woman I marry will definitely have to be okay with my past."

Since first deciding to "open up and try new things" in 1992, the "99 percent straight" Litwin has had 23 male sexual partners and one female partner. And though he said that "having a wife and kids and the house out in the suburbs with the white picket fence" is his eventual goal, Litwin is currently dating "a real mix of people."

"Before I do settle down with one woman for the rest of my life, it's important for me to 'do a little exploring,' so to speak," Litwin said. "And part of that process, for me, involves trying out some new things. Again, though, I must stress that it's temporary: Dating people of my own gender is not something I see myself doing in the long run."

Though Litwin has many gay friends and possesses "a certain appreciation for gay culture," he can't see himself in a permanent same-sex relationship.

"I just can't get used to the idea of only having sex with men," Litwin said. "The truth is, I simply adore women." As evidence of his attraction to women, Litwin pointed to the copy of the Madonna book Sex on his coffee table and a framed poster of Audrey Hepburn on the wall.

"I have absolutely nothing against homosexuality," Litwin added. "Some of my best friends are gay."

Of these friends, Litwin has had at least limited sexual contact with nearly all. Among them is Peter Skye.

"I met Michael at an art opening a few years back and, boy, did we hit it off," said Skye, 27, a waiter and part-time actor. "It's too bad he's not gay, because he was incredible in bed."

After dating Skye for seven months, Litwin ended the brief flirtation with homosexuality in favor of a period of experimentation with restaurateur Tyler Randolph. According to Litwin, he "sort of saw" Randolph on a strict "no promises" basis for two years.

"I was living in Chicago when Michael and I met at a party," Randolph said. "Right from the start, there was amazing chemistry between us. We started seeing each other every weekend. But eventually, the strain of the long-distance thing got to be too much. That's why we broke up. That and Michael's inability to keep his cock out of my roommate Bruce's mouth."

According to Litwin, he has only had one serious relationship in his life: a three-year romance with high-school sweetheart Jenny Tankart that ended during the pair's sophomore year of college.

"I simply haven't had enough experience to really know what I want yet," Litwin said. "What I do know is that I don't need to be seriously involved with anyone right now. I've really enjoyed being single all these years. I like having my own place, with my own TV and my own leather five-piece sectional. Things were just way too claustrophobic with Jenny."

Now married with children, Tankart looks back fondly on her relationship with Litwin.

"Michael was a really nice guy—and a real gentleman, too," Tankart said. "He was always very supportive about my wanting to wait until marriage. So many of the guys I used to date just wanted one thing. Not Michael."

Litwin said he has been searching for the right woman for years, but every time he thinks he has found "the one," something goes wrong.

"My first few dates with Rachel went great, but then I found out she has a dog," Litwin said. "Then there was Annette a few years later, but there was just something about the way she dressed that turned me off. And Julie was terrific, but she lived all the way over in the next town. I wonder if I'll ever find true love."

While no woman has yet won Litwin's heart, women have taken an interest in him.

"When Michael started working here, I thought he was really cute," said Samantha Ringley, a coworker of Litwin's at Yellow Moon Graphic Design. "I didn't want to be wasting my time, so I asked him outright if he was gay. He started laughing and said, 'No, no, no!' After laughing for a long time, he said, 'I guess you could say I'm straight but not narrow.'"

"My first few dates with Rachel went great, but then I found out she has a dog," Litwin said. "Then there was Annette a few years later, but there was just something about the way she dressed that turned me off. And Julie was terrific, but she lived all the way over in the next town. I wonder if I'll ever find true love."

Oh man this guy is excellent.

i can't believe he's actually real!

that's clearly an Onion article, a good one too

Kind of surprised at the level of nastiness on this thread. Most odd.

I really like Doug Stanhope.

I just read the last chunk of it, so I guess nastiness avoided.

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Actually it's a secret message to max.

"god, that politically incorrect guy is so COURAGEOUS"

nobody said challops yet so i said challops

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