Classic or Dud? Folks who say they are really into movies and in reality it turns out this means they visit the cinema once or twice a week…

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And sniff at the thought of watching anything that aint made recently. Fecking hell that annoys me.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

And they are not "into movies" how? Do they not enjoy the movies they enjoy? Or are they lying?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

dnftt

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Visiting the cinema once or twice a week is *way* above average, so I'd say such a person is into movies, maybe just not into the kinda movies you like.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i really dont know where you meet these people

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I just kinda get a bit annoyed it turns out someone is not big into cinema at all and puts it bottom at their list of priorities when everyone whose a film addict knows that nothing - except sex, violently throwing up whilst still drunk and indie music - is better than cinema.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"who's"

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

If you want people to go to the cinema more regularly, make better films

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Me personally?

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Why not? (Oops what have I said?)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"I hate football fans who really enjoy going to a match a few times a season but who don't know who Ferenc Puskas is."

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

... not to mention Nandor Hidegkuti

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

You’re getting it all wrong man. I mean those who won’t even check out DVDs or nothing.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

What if they don't have a DVD player? That means they aren't into movies does it?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Real cinephiles only watch movies on the big screen, Calum!

― Masked Gazza, Monday, 14 February 2005 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"...won't even check out DVDs or anything".

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

"I hate football fans who go to live games but wont watch DVDs of the 70s Brazil team."

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

people who go the cinema quite often, but for other reasons than to watch a movie? social event?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i went to a cinema once for the hot dog, cos i was really hungry and it was the only place that's close enough to the DDR machine I was on.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

people who say they are really into DDR but haven't even chipped their playstation in order to play the japanese mixes are the worst

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Real cinephiles only watch movies on the big screen, Calum!

I was just gonna say this. I don't have a DVD player (nor a VCR nor a TV set), yet I consider myself a movien enthusiast. I visit the local film archive theatre quite often, because I want to see even the old films on the big screen.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh get knotted. That's rubbish.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Deutsche Demokratik Republik?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

what's DDR? (either way I'm really into it)

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION!!!!!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I was just wondering what the heck do Japanese Playstations have to do with East Germany...

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 14 February 2005 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

while it's borderline insane to want to watch things only on the big screen (you have to be rich, too), going to the cinema twice a week is quite a lot.

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

My mum used to go four or five times a week AND she has a DVD player!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I go maybe once every six weeks, own 100+ DVDs and work in a film library. Where do I fit in?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i haven't been for almost 2 year, i thought i was a movie fan.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

No DVD player? Oh my God, how do you survive from day to day? That’s worse than being a squaddie or something.

I should really have said once or twice a month to be honest, I don't know if I even do that either. But my point was, that someone might catch a blockbuster on DVD or cinema that much.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

My mum used to go four or five times a week AND she has a DVD player!

That was when it cost about a farthing to get in mind you

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I only go to the cinema once or twice a YEAR. I own 200 DVDs, some of which contain films that date late 1800s (Lumiere, Edison). I live in the sticks. My closest cinema is 40 miles away and only plays CRAP.
What then?

― Un investigador del siglo XXI (AaronHz), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick, I’d say you’re a movie buff. But, listen, I read that Danny Mac from Embrace has a brain condition or something and is gonna die at 50. Is this true? That’s pretty damn harsh.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:05 (twenty-one years ago)

No DVD player? Oh my God, how do you survive from day to day? That’s worse than being a squaddie or something.

I have friends you know...

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Obligatory squaddie reference filed and discarded

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Heart condition, not brain. And it very rarely shortens anyone's life expectancy apparently - just measn you need to be sensible. Which he isn't, always.

I wouldn't class myself as a film buff - many of the people I work with have PhDs in film studies; they make me look like I've never seen a film in my life.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Do these PhDs have DVDs tho?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Who knows? But there are 3,000 films in my office.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course he's not sensible. He's still singing isn't he?

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

never mind the quality feel the width :-/

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

C-Man, in all seriousness, how do you define a movie-fan then?

― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:13 (twenty-one years ago)

there's nothing worse than film fans who turn enthusiasm into a dick-measuring contest. if film is about anything it's about improving your life. there's no point in amassing knowledges in themselves -- if you haven't caught any bergman, that's cool [nb -- he is shit anyway]. in my experience phds are often the least 'into' film because acadmic study can turn love into taxonomy. but i might apply for one in which case it would obviously rock.

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno. I mean, am I a movie fan? I could give two hoots about arthouse cinema for a start because I view film as entertainment first, art second – and if the two blend as one you usually have a masterpiece. But I despise blockbusters. I want my entertainment to have some brains behind it. I’ll take George Romero over Jean Luc Godard. But I really don’t like people who would say they are movie buffs but whose appreciation of cinema equals not being able to name 5 films that they’ve seen which existed before 1970.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

calum, have you ever considered that some non-english-language films were made to entertain? not that it's rreally viable to dissociate art from entertainment. what is 'arthouse' cinema except for a description of how the films are received here, ie in minority circumstances.

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

what if they can't name 5 that they've seen that existed after year 2000? (that's me almost on the borderline)

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Well there's been lots of great cinema made after 2000.

I know a lot of non-English language cinema is great, for fuckssake - I devour cinema from all points of the Orient for a start. And a lot of arthouse cinema is - GASP - in English language. And it's bollocks. Like "The Magdeline Sisters" and Peter Mullan who needs to quit whining. Your films don't get financed because they don't attract audiences. Now go direct a theatre play. Thanks.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet you wouldn't say that to his face Calum, ha ha

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I like "arthouse" cinema best of all. Not that I have anything against "mainstream" cinema, that's what i see, mostly, b/c my dear wife hates "arthouse" films. But, gimme Brothers Quay or Tarkovski anytime, you know?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

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The humour aims for the lowest common dominator and it’s not as good as the first – overlong, but has some good moments.

Also Teri Polo. Who looks good in Playboy.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Meet The Fockers is my idea of hell

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

the bit in Sideways where Miles is trying to get his friend's wallet back tho - hilarious!

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

We saw The Grudge yesterday. I loved it.

― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

while we're on stiller-watch, 'envy' bit the big one. i had to switch off. even though it had rachel weisz.

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Stiller does two terrible films for every good one

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I must admit there's not much I fancy on at the moment.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 14 February 2005 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm completely behind (and skint) and still have to do
-assault on precinct 13
-sideways
-team america
-even oceans fucking 12
-maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe vera drake

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i love Oceans 11 - who says Hollywood can't craft original movies full of great characters and a fresh plot?

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

'assault on ocean's 13'

i didn't like oceans 11 much, but this one looks better.

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

everyone else says it is rubbish. OH NO, WHO TO BELIEVE?

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

they said the same about 'psycho', 'performance', 'zoolander'...

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Which were all rubbish.

Thanks for your insight.

P.S. Presuming we're talking about Psycho 98 OF COURSE.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I *so* need notes on taste from you, Calum!

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Zoolander is a hoot, i was plesantly surprised by it's sweetness and suitably exhonerated by it's kitsch wtf-ness - apart from the bit with the Malaysian prime minister which was just embarassing.

i don't think i'd get that from Meet The Fockers tho. the clips i saw just seemed so bad (a cat flushing a dog down the toilet? hmmmm) with their massive red DO YOU SEE lights constantly aflash, but maybe that's just trailer trickery.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

It's better than that trailer.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I was disappointed, I thought Stiller was on total autopilot. It wasn't an out-and-out failure, but very underwritten, and not as good as the first film. As with so many sequels there were too many references back to the original. Hoffman was okay. But it needed more Owen Wilson.

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I might give Zoolander another shot but it didn’t do much for me. It’s not half as funny as Old School which is the masterpiece of modern comedy surely?

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, Old School pwns. i still prefer Zoolander, but only just. you know it!

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Best bit in Old School:

Total Eclipse of the Heart

Second best bit:

Will Ferrell takes a pledge from in front of the supermarket, with tights over his face, and throws him in the back of a van. His horrified wife looks on and Ferrell goes, "Tell anyone about this and I'll fucking kill you". She shrieks and he goes, "Oh wow, sorry only kidding".

Genius.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the trailer for The Life Aquatic made it look pretty bad too. damn these trailer editors.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

example: the bit where Bill Murray's talking to Owen Wilson about what a wonderful noise the whales make. there's a pause. we hear a ship foghorn in the distance. Wilson says 'wow! what do you think they're saying?'

now this is a funny scene but they totally ruin it for me by having Murray correct him instead of just giving him a withering look of contempt or something. SHOW. DON'T TELL. RULE #1.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

and it just looks too much like a Wes Anderson film about Wes Anderson films rather than just being another good film by previously under-exposed Wes Anderson. but i'm sure it'll be 'okay' really and offer plenty of chuckles.

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I hate Wes Anderson. I'd like it if he were some guy's valet in the WWE and in every match, the opponent chased him around the ring and gave him a giant wedgie.

― daria g (daria g), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

this month's sight and sound has hit a new low with its fellating of anderson. his films are okay but the collision of s&s earnestness with 'hipster' anderson is excruciating.

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Sat in front of a couple -- at a Japanese art film -- who whispered to each other for the duration, presumably about their wonderful life together.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

One day when I really appreciated Paris was when I went to see Shinji Aoyama's (3+ hour long!) Eureka on a sunny, warm Saturday afternoon. The theater was packed. Nobody said a word.

― daria g (daria g), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

> i love Oceans 11 - who says Hollywood can't craft original movies
> full of great characters and a fresh plot?

er, are you talking about the clooney thing that was on last night?
wasn't it a remake of this from 1960?:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054135/

oh, wait, 1960 was before 1970 8)

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

All the Calum baiting upthread is unfair really, when half of you would sneer at someone who said they were into music but really meant that they like the Red Hot Chilli Peppers from the early 90s onwards and own about 30 CDs.

― Ozbash (stickthrower), Monday, 14 February 2005 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic or Dud? Folks who say they are really into movies and in reality it turns out this means they visit the cinema once or twice a week…

i like watching films on the big screen but (a) going to the movies is expensive (b) most moviegoers like to think they're at home and that they can just talk or get up or even SHOW up whenever they feel like it (c) i actually enjoy watching the trailers -- heck, i've paid to see 'em -- but it's kinda hard to pay attention when some lazyass shows up late and walks slackjawed around the theater for ten minutes because he refuses to just sit the fuck down somewhere and deal with being in the bitch seat for 90 minutes.

so i watch a lotta movies on cable.

― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I watch loads of films on DVD. It's still the bomb.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but "to the cinema twice a week" is quite a lot in my book.

Translate that to
"Folks who say they are really into music and in reality it turns out this means they go out to gigs only once or twice a week…"

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 14 February 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone mentioned upthread (I think it was Calum, but I don't want to get into all the baiting) that they enjoy Disney films, but don't like blockbusters. I don't think you can dismiss "blockbusters" out of hand, though. Disney makes tons of them, for example. "Snow White" was ginormous when it first came out.

Plus, how do you define the term? Does it simply describe how much money was put into the making of the film? How wide a distribution it receives? The perreived quality of the story? I was very moved by "Hotel Rwanda," for example, but it's pretty far from "indie" by most standards.

Just curious.

― sugarpants (sugarpants), Monday, 14 February 2005 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, "perceived"

― sugarpants (sugarpants), Monday, 14 February 2005 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

More 'McBane' movies please.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 February 2005 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

koogs i suggest a thorough re-calibration of your pedantry/sarcasm detection cohesion settings, innit

saying you don't like blockbusters: generalist rockism

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

T/S People who go out to watch 100 movies a year and have friends and social lives VS People who watch DVDs at home alone when they're not crying out for attention on the internet and think that makes them film buffs.

― Mr Squaddie, Monday, 14 February 2005 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

look who's getting personal.

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Oooooooh

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

gotta go with the former

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I go with the latter, really. I don't have £20 pw to spare on cinema tickets alas.

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

What the fuck is a "squaddie."

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 February 2005 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

A Jarhead, I believe you would say.

― Henry Miller, Monday, 14 February 2005 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

mythical creatures that exist only in calum's mind...taunting him...always...they mostly come out at night....mostly...

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's interesting that Calum uses peculiarly British slang and references British personalities more than almost anyone else on here. I mean, on one hand, it doesn't seem like that big a deal -- he's Scottish, that's how he talks -- but on the other, in the context of ILX, it's sort of indicative of a blinkered, solipsistic worldview, uninterested in actually engaging with others.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 February 2005 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, I go to the cinema maybe once a month, own about 5 DVDs, but I WORK IN THE BRITISH FILM INDUSTRY AND HAVE A FAIR TO GOOD CHANCE OF BEING SUCCESSFUL. Doesn't that just make you spit?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope. Just makes you typical of some others in the Brit film industry. Besides, I am working on some good stuff with some of the best right now and couldn't be happier.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

But you're an unlikeable loser without an atom of creativity! I call BIG LIES.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm so happy i'm gonna spend half my day stirring it up on a board i hate by starting several threads expressing my opinions about stuff without ever really backing them up or saying anything of any real substance other than frequent bitter whining about how unfair everything is. see you tomorrow!

― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Ouch! This is totally not for this thread, but a lot of the Aussie mongrels do this too, are you implying it is a bad thing for anyone outside the states to speak with their own voices and references?

(perhaps a topic for its own thread, I just found that really odd is all).

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

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