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As a poor US sod, what am I missing out on? Radio, TV, Movies. Music? School me in Australia.

― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

You rock Orbit :)

God where to start?

Good TV: the first 2 seasons of "The Secret Life of Us" - it got shit after that though sadly. I'm sure everyone loves Neighbours and H&A, I see those shows in a very UK mould of soap, though. We invented Bananas in Pyjamas!

I'm having trouble thinking of stuff heh.

Sean Micallef is a genius comedian - he's worth checking out, he did a show called "the Micallef Pogram". Also, John CLarke and Brian Dawes, responsible for the brill satire of "Frontline" and that one about the Olympics.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Australian television's a bit dire at the moment. Loads of shows are being cancelled all over the place, replaced by dodgy Australian versions of things like Pop Idol and Big Brother.

Australian film is shithouse at the moment too. Music? Honestly I don't know, I've not been keeping up.

That was helpful, wasn't it? Sorry.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i like the scientists and radio birdman and the saints. i suspect orbit does too? more good australian music pls.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i also like "romper stomper" - what other good aus movies are there (sans crowe)?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Mick Molloy is an incredibly funny comedian.

If you're interested Orbit, I can burn you a few of his CD's of stand up and post them to you.

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Wonderful Australian authors:

Peter Carey
Tim Winton
Jessica Anderson
Patrick White

... I so wish I was more well read than I am :(

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

TISM's a fantastic Aus band, but its references are entirely Australian so it might not make sense outside this country. Anything else we've got that's good is New Zealand stuff we claimed as our own because we're arrogant sods.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Heck yeah Kate, CDs/MP3s please :-)

― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

What about "He'll never be an old man river" Adam?

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Great Aus films:

Bad Boy Bubby
The Year My Voice Broke
Spotswood
Picnic at Hanging Rock
Mad Max (the original one anyway)

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It is worth noting Russel Crowe is not actually Australian, btw ;)

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i love all the mad max movies! but i think of them as american because mel gibson's a twat (and originally from here anyway).

can we all agree that jet sucks tho?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

wait, what? where's crowe from then?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Orbit, I have a trillion Gmail invites, i'll start one of them up and put them in there for ya.

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

It's quite sad, because in the past Australia had the most incredibly prolific entertainment scenes. I'm sure there's loads of talent out there but it's not getting a look in.

Going through my music collection now, not seeing much...

Oh and The Late Show is probably the pinnacle of Aus television comedy.

What about "He'll never be an old man river" Adam?

Ah yes :)

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

New Zealand.

xxpost

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

crowe is from nz?!? whoa, wtf, everybody here thinks he's aussie. sorry guys.

also i like that one movie with michael hutchence (rip). and nick cave is great too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe we should debunk some myths too...

Such as, an Aussie would never say "Throw a shrimp on the barbie, because we call them prawns", as in, "don't come the raw prawn with me". To be honest, I don't even know properly what that means.

Also, i have never said "g'day" in my life and can count on one hand the amount of Aussies who've said it to me.

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yer, and Gibson's from the US.

If you want to apologise to anyone, apologise to poor New Zealand, who has to put up with Australia claiming all its talent all the time. Poor buggers.

The B Dolls have an album coming out this month, and it sounds very Mavises [was formed by two ex-members]. That could be one to recommend.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, quotation mark in wrong place back up there

xpost

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah and we don't call it 'down under' either. That's a northern hemisphere thing. Also the antipodes is the northern hemisphere.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

there are some good aussie fashion designers. gorman, perks and mini, alpha 60, marshall artist, claude maus. tsubi, i dont like so much, but seems to be doing real well. also, gemma ward is my favorite model. so cute

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

this is no reflection on Americans or you phil, more of a reflection on my fashion un-savvyness, but i've only heard of tsubi out of that list :)

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

omg, alpha 60 and claude maus are so so so amazing. www.claudemaus.com - the website is so awesome too. gorman is kinda girly. PAM is like streetwear - huge in tokyo. the PAM store is right off chapel street, near that market, ohwhatsitcalled victoria market i think. its by the Owl store, and right around the corner from the FAT store which is where they sell a60, gorman, pam, etc.

also, chiodo in melb is probably my favorite men's designer. except for slimane for dior, of course

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

im supposed to start as the alpha 60 sales rep this season, so tell all your rich american friends about it, plz.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I live right by Chapel st - went to FAT once, and almost died, everything wa sso expensive! :/

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow phil, you're right. That website is awesome!

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I still can't believe that Eric Bana of Black Hawk Down and The Hulk is known as a COMEDIAN in his home country.

I once got into trouble for making fun of that game show where everyone just sits around and opens suitcases for half an hour. I won't do that again here.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Deal or no deal?

Nah man, you're safe. That show is fucked!

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah yes, Eric Bana came to fame for doing his "Poida" character for years before he did serious film work. In fact I still find it weird seeing him act seriously!

Come on, that suitcases show is STUPID! Make fun all you want ;P I cant even remember what it is called. And surely, as we ususally do, the format was nicked off the UK or Netherlands anyway.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

gah xpost

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The Necks!!!! one of the worl'd best bands.
Germaine Greer (is she british now?)
Robert Hughes.
Edinburgh (surely just an offshoot of australia by now?)

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

we need to have phil do a thread called "School me on Fashion matters." I don't know anything about that stuff.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah yeah, the Neck are awesome.

The golden circles are awesome too, but nobody outside of my city even knows who they are so they don't really count for this thread I spose.

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh jed OTM about Edinburgh... well during comedyfest time anyway ;)

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, i meant to write The Necks.

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

All my fave Aus bands are split up, I think. Cept TISM.

Falling Joys
the Clouds
(early) Ratcat
(some) Something for Kate
Sidewinder (thats a friends bias tho)
Itch-e and Scratch-e (eh eh? See wot I did there?)
SNOG
No
Birthday Party
Go Betweens
Ups and Downs (looove those guys)
the Moffs
the Church

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

and i didnt mean to write "the worl'd" :s

xp The Birthday Party, of course!

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I live right by Chapel st - went to FAT once, and almost died, everything wa sso expensive

yeah, i remember it being a little on the pricy side... but not too bad! the kids in melb were so well dressed. i still wear the two shirts i got from genki. and actually, one of the genki ex-shop assistants lives a few blocks from me in nyc, and another one just moved to america to go to school here. im supposed to have drinks with her today but its raining

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

gawd i love the birthday party. so pissed i sold all those records in a weak (poor) moment.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

So has there been much good Australian music lately?

Where's James when you need him?

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Genki is a great shop Phil! I have the cutest striped longsleeved tee from there.

Yes where is Jim?

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that the one you had on in the what do you look like thread Trayce? It were cool!

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i think all they stock is cute striped longsleeved tees.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, Trayce, you are so living in the early nineties.

― Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I once got into trouble for making fun of that game show where everyone just sits around and opens suitcases for half an hour.

Ahahaha. I can't believe anyone attacked you for saying that. That has to be the single most asinine show I have ever seen.

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

My alledgedly 'hip' younger brother loves that show and tried to get me into it, I said, no deal.

― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

stence you might like Kim Salmon's new thing, which is in fact called Salmon - 5 guitarists, 2 drummers. It was an intense thing when I saw them last week!

― haitch (haitch), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah the stripey top in my photo is my red and black one from that godawful goth/hair rock shop in chapel st... um... Sugar Jones. The place that sells horrible hipster gear like KISS sparkly tshirts, and tartan bondage skirts even though goth shops been selling that shit for 20 years (at a much lower cost), and they're always playin G&R when I go in there.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

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I'm meant to read that more than one way, aren't I?

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

haha no! tis very stormy lookin' out there

― jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

DO they still make the chilli choc timtams? I never got round to trying any. I'll be pissed off if they dont exist anymore.
-- Trayce

I did. They were, disappointingly, not very hot at all.

― moley (moley), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure that was the point tho! I think the chili is meant to add some strength to the dark choc.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

Much like one would add cooking choc to a chili con carne (well, so reckons Ian Parmenter)

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 02:41 (twenty years ago)

Well I found I was rally struggling to detect any chili taste at all - I could've gone a few shades deeper into the red, to say the least. I do think that my buds are a little blasted though, through years of chili abuse.

― ratty (moley), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

ok pls explain bogans? aussie ile i love you btw (esp trayce), you are my next favourite after london ile and glasgow ile.

― emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

Aw gosh thanks!

Bogans roughly = chavs or white trash... but not really. In essence, but there are cultural differences I think.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

i'm trying to think how, but chavs and bogans are somehow not the same. Anyone?

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:26 (twenty years ago)

female chavs probably don't have the same fondness for buying their clothes at surfshops. they might wear the same liquor promo tshirts with tracky pants though (jim beam/jacks styles)

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

Bogans are more into heavy metal than chavs...?

― ratratratty (ratratratty), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

eh no seriously trayce. you roxor innit. i have often thought bah if i lived in same town as you i would be constantly bashin on yr door with a bottle of sth in one hand (and er yeah ok prob a bottle of sth else in t'other). the fact that you may have changed your locks and got cctv in reaction to this is neither here nor there...

i do have a vague familiarity in my head wrt bogans but my memory started to deteriorate around the same time i started fucking around with it so i could pass exams :( i think someone may have splained bogans to me once (charlie no 4?) but my head is pretty crap since/bc of then and no information stays in it for long. i know abt the pokies and how they are teh devil hisself etc. but hmm bogans...

― emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

ACKTSHEWELLY this sorta made me think. ppl (brit-def; anyone else-dunno) tend to stick aussies in one very small ballpark. but - bad boy bubby! peter carey! um yeah am bit too drunked to be particularly clear but yeh, is there someone else i shoud be reading? fwiw i totally heart peter carey, er more than almost anyone alive today. him an david mitchell.

― emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

bogans are probably much more likely to own a hotted up fully sik monaro than a chav too. i think chavs' preferred mode of transport is the back seat of the bus isn't it...

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:55 (twenty years ago)

um above i am talkin Literature wiv a big L an Film wiv a big Eff. you get the deal.

― emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

you might want to have a read of patrick white emsk, he's pretty good. and tim winton! i love tim winton very very much. also andrew mcgahan's praise. and john birmingham for teh funnies.

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

i dunno i think um chavs prob have their own cars as soon as they're legally allowed to drive. teh chavs do that mad thing where they get lights on the bottom of the car so they shine blue on the road. oooh look at you, you made the road go blue.

um i think i am goin to bed.

gem patrick white? his name is teh familiar.

― emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:01 (twenty years ago)

all of those are authors whose novels are very much about being australian in sort of the same way as peter carey, but perhaps less likely to be historical stories (though patrick white's 'a fringe of leaves' is). also - randolph stow's merrygoround in the sea is an older one. and if you like slightly less big L books, you might have a crack at nevil shute. for young adult books that i love, colin thiele. and classics - miles franklin!

― gem (trisk), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

As well as gem's suggestions, try Christina Stead emsk - she's the creme de la creme mate!

― ratty, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

Richard Flanagan's great...also Murray Bail, David Malouf, Helen Garner,Les Murray (poetry)...Christina Stead seconded, she's great.

I don't know chavs but bogans are like rednecks that listen to hairbands + metal & still wear tight jeans.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I was about to say Murray Bail, hes pretty good, as is Helen Garner, she's very Melbourney.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

Ooh also worth reading: Jennifer Government by Max Barry. Set in Melbourne but in Teh Future, so not neccesarily "really aussie", it could be set anywhere, but it is ace. A sort of spec fiction about what if capitalism became The Law, its a riproaring action novel.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

...that would make a smashing film [/montypython]

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

max barry's previous book was good too, i think it was called 'syrup'?

man i haven't read a novel, australian or otherwise, in over three years.

― jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I hadnt either so I forced myself to recently: borried some books from Dom, and bought a few. Read "Short History of Nearly Everything" by wotsisface, "Jennifer Govt", and "How Prost can Change yr Life" by that other wossisname.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, also Donald Horne - 'Teh Lucky Country'

― ratty, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure some bogans out there still wear flannel. With a packet of WINNIE BLUES in the breastpocket.

It's starting to rain here in ADL. It better rain.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

Or those trackies with the buttons down the side & a pair of moccies. And let's not forget the chicks: home-dyed hair with natural roots showing through (esp black dye, brown/blond roots), giant parka, midriff top & spray-on jeans. Or just a pile of spangly clothes from Dimmeys, esp camel-toe black nylon pants, and giant platform shoes. Use of hair gel/mousse must be apparent, and eyeliner must be as though rendered in texta.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:45 (twenty years ago)

*shudder* that was alltogether too accurate a picture ;)

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)

Chicks like that rock my world.

― ratty, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

also, outside supermarket smoking and pushing a pram

― ratty, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:53 (twenty years ago)

I've seen bogan chicks with home-dyed mullets. I'm still recovering.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

I've seen HIPSTERS with homedyed mullets and abovementioned clothes and really, they look like bogans and gah kry8riuwehf8eyr34. Chapel street pisses me off so much sometimes.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)

Still, at least we'll never face anything as awful as The Great Trucker Cap Craze? Right? That shit put me off Rundle Street forever.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

thanks everyone for all the recommendations! i will get to it quicksmart.

also, god i sounded like such a tosser last night, i should not drunk ile. apologies.

― emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

i misread title as 'australian manners', with hilarious consequences.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

Mate, the first rule of manners: bring ya own stubbie holders!

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

ten years pass...

Question about Australian food: I just read that in AUS, pork can have a gamier flavor than it does in the US because pig farmers leave the males intact, not castrated, and the meat has "boar taint." And this is one of the reasons why pork is way behind lamb, beef and poultry in sales. Is this bullshit or true?

― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Thursday, 23 June 2016 01:42 (nine years ago)

which part

― glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 23 June 2016 06:13 (nine years ago)

can't say I've heard that one before! but I'm not a pork eater so what would I know. bacon aside I think maybe pork just isn't as popular as lamb and chicken here?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 23 June 2016 09:31 (nine years ago)

which part
― glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 23 June 2016 06:13 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The bollocks, obviously.

― Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo), Thursday, 23 June 2016 09:51 (nine years ago)

This was in an article by an American who worked in the Australian pork industry for a few years and included stuff about them trying to bump sales with a "Christmas in July" ad campaign to boost pork sales in the winter, when sales numbers were lowest. It was all unsourced and anecdotal so I was wondering if it was gibberish.

which part

whichever part you care to address

― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Thursday, 23 June 2016 11:51 (nine years ago)

"boar taint" is not two words in combination that I was expecting to read

― Johnny Cage - 4'33" Fatality (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 23 June 2016 13:33 (nine years ago)

"Christmas In July" is a real thing for slightly desperate motel/pubs that have a fireplace of some sort but that's about it

― Johnny Cage - 4'33" Fatality (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 23 June 2016 13:34 (nine years ago)

More a thing done by hotels in the mountains, where it actually gets cold and might even snow a little bit, but otherwise yes. It's definitely predicated on the seasons here not matching up with pop culture representations of Christmas (and has only recently afaik adopted the name of the Sturges film, as opposed to being called Midwinter Celebration or Yule In June or w/e), and not introduced by or ever associated with a pork campaign. That wouldn't even make sense, as pork is not connected to Christmas at all. Roast turkey, yes. Fruit mince pies, yes. A leg of ham, perhaps. A slab of tinnies in an old non-wheelie bin full of ice while you knock the stumps about in the back yard, of course. But pork? Nah.

― glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 23 June 2016 13:44 (nine years ago)

My understanding was that pork has been considered fattier and thus less desirable than the other major meats. I personally love pork so more for me. Never heard of boar taint. I hate lamb and don't eat it if I can avoid it.

Christmas in July is lame, like you need a lame excuse to eat roast meat. Just shovel it all into my face, thanks.

― oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Thursday, 23 June 2016 13:47 (nine years ago)

Turns out that boar taint is enough of a real thing that there's a Wikipedia article on boar taint, and Australia actually takes several measures more than the US to reduce or avoid boar taint. So the real question is: why is pork so much more popular than poultry or beef over there?

― glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 23 June 2016 13:50 (nine years ago)

QGP, edwardo and I discussed this in the pub tonight, and concurred that the only pork-based advertising campaign we could remember was the '90s classic "Get Some Pork On Your Fork."

― glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 23 June 2016 13:59 (nine years ago)

which was obviously a roaring success, inasmuch as it led to me fucking Ed's mum all those times.

― glandular lansbury (sic), Thursday, 23 June 2016 14:00 (nine years ago)

This article's audience is 12 to 18 year olds, so the writer knows he could say any damn thing and not be called on it.

― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Thursday, 23 June 2016 14:08 (nine years ago)

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