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i need some technical help. i don't know wtf.

i've been trying to turn the front page of our site into a blog, since it's mostly used for updates/news/links/etc and the blog format would be pretty ideal. (right now it's kind of a fake blog.) thing is, i want to stick my linkbar thing at the top of the page (it's a table, which might be totally old-fashioned but what do i know).

thing of it is--in BOTH blogger and moveable type, if i paste my table into the template box it automatically deletes everything that comes after it as soon as i save it! so all i get is the freaking linkbar!! this happens every time and since it repeated across two popular blogging softwarez, i must be doing something wrong. any suggestions?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

where in the template are you pasting it?

― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i tried all over the place!! now i put it right above the header (which i was planning to delete afterwards). don't work. below the header: no. anywhere else: no!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

below the [blogtitle] DIVS? above the [blogpost] templates?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

umm.. i think so! after all the style stuff at the top, if that's what you mean.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

have you either i)slightly amended a default blog template, or ii)inserted parts of a blog template into your own html?

I would recommend doing the latter, that way you'll have more control over your source code and probably be at a better vantage point to amend stuff.

I did a similar thing not long ago, my front page needed a news type update and I just nicked blogger for it. I cut and pasted my original html code into the blog template and just added the blog-post info (which I'd obv saved beforehand) into the relevant table column.

(and of course I had to include the blogger link .gif)

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i've done i) so far... i just stuck my table into the minima template.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

if i just stick in plain text it works fine! is there something weird about tables that fux things up?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

would you consider emailing me your MT template and your links bar in separate files so I could take a look?

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i should slap you for even suggesting that, freshie!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

hm. okay. If you change your mind, plain text files are best.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

but the truth is i've kinda given up on MT, as i lost the original template and nothing seems to work anymore.

(haha xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(even the provided replacements don't work... i think i'm working on an old version & i don't want to ask my friend to upgrade)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i never had a problem with tables s1ocki, incidentally which blogger template are you using?

bleh xpost

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

minima!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

You should ask your friend to upgrade. It takes ten minutes.

You can still send me the blogger template, if you like. It sounds like your trouble is html, not CMS.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, I forgot that Blogger templates are CSS-based now. Yeah, you could be messing something up by jamming a table in there.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean... well, a table alone wouldn't break it. But there could be a dozen things wrong.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, just let someone help you, MT will work fine.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd also help you. But any of these fine folks should be able to.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

okay ive created a new blog to try this tables thing out ....

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

should i still send you that template k?

i mean the funny thing is it's like the EXACT SAME problem in both blogger and moveable type. and i'd understand if things just showed up funny, but why does the template editor automatically just delete everything after the table (and nothing else)? i mean it'd be fine if i wanted the table at the BOTTOM of the page...

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, send it on over. I'm kinda restless anyway.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

okay i just had same problem, but i encased the Table html with [div id="header"] ... [/div] tags and it became visible again

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

(obv replaced square brackets with proper > < signs)

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

yay!

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

so i just created a new Header block, below the original #header block :

#header2 {
width:660px;
margin:0 auto 10px;
border:1px solid #ccc;
}

which removes the border, obviously you can change anything you want in this

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

duh, i didn't show the amendment

#header2 {
width:660px;
margin:0 auto 10px;
border:0px;
}

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

so now just encase the table with <div id="header2"> ... </div> tags

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm gonna try it right now!! AWESOME!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

so you basically get this at the top of the template ....

/* Header
----------------------------------------------- */
#header {
width:660px;
margin:0 auto 10px;
border:1px solid #ccc;
}

#header2 {
width:660px;
margin:0 auto 10px;
border:0px;
}

.....

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope im making sense ?....

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

you are!! but it didn't work, sadly.

this is what i got:

http://www.autovaud.com/blog.html

(notice that there's nothing underneath it)

when i'm going for something like this (page i'm trying to reproduce--though not NEARLY exactly, mind):

http://www.autovaud.com/main.html

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

(the template, when i look at it now, has NOTHING underneath the header2 and table stuff.. not even the [/div]!!)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

the tables just seem to stop it cold!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

yes it seems to have stopped loading half the template!!

my test looked like this :
table test, where the test "imagine a world where tables talk" is the table info

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

You are being forced to comply with standards against your will! Fascists!

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

it doesn't just not load half the template... it seems to actually DELETE it!! wtf?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

is there someway i can like fake the funk here? all the benefits of tabling without the table?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i just cut and pasted your table html into my test blog and it worked fine, is your template html definitely still all there? or maybe trouble publishing?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

no, that's the thing, as soon as i save i lose all the html below it. where did you paste it?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

test blog

the same place. check the source code. obv the images won't load.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

try publishing the blog again. (soz if u already have)

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

before i even get to the publishing stage (ie after i've saved it) everything disappears. so weird.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm, well i'm stuck then. anyone else?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks so much for trying, ste! i appreciate it muchly.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

no probs, gotta sleep now though.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

FLANGE ON A MONTHERFUCKER

― GARU G, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

ok i have another problem--i think i circumvented this thing but every time i try and publish now (i'm using blogger to publish to an external (FTP) website--ie not blogspot) i get this error:

001 java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused

i've double-checked my FTP password and stuff... what could be going on here?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

can you directly ftp to that site, bypassing the blogger interface?

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah! that was the first thing i tried, to make sure there was nothing wrong with my host & my password & stuff still worked.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps a server configuration problem, probably best logging it with the blogger help staff first to see if they can sort it for you.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

also is this the same problem?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks ste, i used that site's advice (changed the server name to the ip address) and it worked! you are my white knight

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

millionth dumb question:

how do i fix this: http://www.autovaud.com/blog.html

(you'll see the problem, it's pretty obvious--also why are there thin white lines between my linkbar items? they're not there on preview!)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the funny thing is that main problem wasn't there until i altered the linkbar (to make it less big and unwieldy). everything was pretty much perfect! NOW ITS ALL CRAZY

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is that link thing right in the middle of the page? That doesn't look good at all!?!?!

― Totally Knows Nothing About This Stuff in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

in the MIDDLE!?!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Well the top middle.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

check out the cool new way i fucked it up now!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

That just looks like the same old way to me!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm guessing your content is supposed to be in the box, not underneath all that ooh xpost

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Does the sidebar need to have its ALIGN tage defined to be "left" maybe? Shows up centred in IE and to the left in Mozilla but with a HUGE gap before the text starts. Odd.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

trayce you may just have saved a young man's life.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

YAY

thank you trayce!!

now i only need to figure out how to get rid of the weird white lines that don't show up on preview!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

wow that worked? heh cool!

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The white lines would be to do with the images abutting one another in the table. Man I used to be a lot better at html, it's all escaped me. Defining padding=0 in the table *might* jam all the pix together but I am not sure if that will work.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

padding is 0. that's weird. do the lines show up for you?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

In mozilla? Yeah. If my bf was here he'd go "oh you need BLAH code" in 2 seconds flat but he's not ... I cant think of anything else :/

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The lines don't show up in my version of IE.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

IE tends to overlook certain... flexible code, you could say. Its more forgiving. This could be seen as a good thing except if you dont test the page in mozilla/opera etc you might not see problems.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

One of the problems I see is that some of your aprameters are in quotes and some aren't: align="left" cellpadding=0, etc. Put them all in quotes and see if that helps.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

all my parameters? for the individual cells too?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Hm I dunno if thats really neccesary is it?

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah ha! Don't know why I didn't think of this before. Remove the first line.

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"

And the line that says

html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"

should just say

html

Right now it's telling browsers that you want XHTML strict. You want "quirks" mode. That's kinda what I was thinking before -- half the page is standards compliant XHTML, and half is not-anything-compliant HTML (no offense). The browser is likely getting confused that you're telling it you want strict XHTML and then throwing a lot of commands at it that are invalid in that spec. Just don't tell it anything.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

It looks right to me now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

hang on tho, K, wont that mess with the Blogger code that has to be there?

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

No. That's all non-blogger-specific stuff.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, right. Im always too paranoid to tool with the stuff it generates by itself in case i break it.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah ha! Don't know why I didn't think of this before. Remove the first line.
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"
And the line that says
html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"
should just say

html

A better way to do it is to just change strict in the first line to loose.

Note that, with Internet Explorer in particular, turning off strict can radically alter the way it renders your pages - it will suddenly start ignoring quite a few things that you try to set in the CSS, like the horizontal alignment of graphics.

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

kenan's method worked! (though i haven't checked the page on IE yet). thanks so much dude. (i tried the "loose" thing but it didn't seem to change anything.)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

yer welcome.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

ok guys if you're not totally impatient with me yet i have one more question. i notice that resizing my browser window (esp. since i'm using a 12" powerbook) totally fucks up the layout of the page--is there any way to prevent "smooshing" with smaller windows? so that the window doesn't rearrange the page but simply covers up parts of it?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i apologize for using the word "smooshing" in my previous post.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you want it so that if you narrow the window you see part of the page and get a horizontal scrollbar, instead of moving stuff around? You can do that by setting a fixed pixel width for the < body > element; but it'll also mean that the page won't stretch to fill the window if you've got a wider browser.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 24 February 2005 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It seems that what you want is a fully functional web page. This is not what you are bound to have with the materials you are working with. You either need to lay out the entire page with tables, or lay it out entirely with CSS in a fixed-width container div.

If I have some time later tonight, I'll see what I can do about turning your tables into divs and giving the whole thing a fixed width. Fuck a page that stretches with a window above about 800px wide. It only leads to having long horizontal lines of text that are much more annoying to read than fixed-width lines of text.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Thursday, 24 February 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...

Has anyone else been having spambots leaving their poopy missives in the comments sections right after you post?

― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Saturday, 24 September 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

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