We just narked on a Greyhound driver...

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Somebody was laying on the horn outside the building for like three minutes solid... so we look out the window, and it's a Greyhound horn blaring at a woman who unfortunately got stuck in an intersection leading to the Bay Bridge.

So we took down the bus number and my coworker called Greyhound and reported him. We calmly assertively battled his road rage, and now he'll be reprimanded.

― andy --, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

I can probably see your building, andy.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

If you see a shockingly handsome naked man sipping a mug of bourbon in an office window, that'd be me.

― andy --, Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

But there are so many. What kind of office do you work in where you can slug bourbon...?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Crack houses are so lax these days.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

It's not implicitly ALLOWED.. why do you think it's in a coffee mug?

This guy had it coming to him. Greyhound drivers are the commercial pilots of the roads, and they need to set a shining example to the rest of us... cool, unemotional efficiency. Pretty soon he'll be driving old timers up to Indian Casinos!

― andy --, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

"Greyhound horn blaring at a woman who unfortunately got stuck in an intersection leading to the Bay Bridge."

Who unfortunately decided to inch her dumb ass into the intersection and THEN got stuck there you mean. Fuck people who can't wait behind the line. They deserve to get honked at. Rude fuckers.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

yeah, as a pedestrian I kinda agree with Alex. Don't cross into the intersection unless there's room for you on the other side. People clogging up the intersections downtown just suck (not to mention get people hit and killed).

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

When I used to work on 2nd and Harrison I was just AMAZED by how many people did these. They backed up traffic in every direction just to move up a few more fucking feet. Real class act.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

This is why we need more guns in glove boxes.

― Fish fingers all in a line (kenan), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

They're actually both assholes. Don't block the box and don't honk at people who can do shit all anyway (since they're in the box). Also don't honk unless it's an emergency.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, honking isn't a real class thing to do and I can't usually can't stand road rage, but I don't blame the guy for wanting to highlight the shitting thing this person did either. Maybe knowing that you are you gonna be exposed as selfish dink and get honked at will make people think twice about doing it next time (although probably not.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm with Michael. I get annoyed as hell at people who've pulled out into the intersection when the light turns red, but blaring your horn is not helping anything. San Francisco should just ban cars, nobody here drives for shit. People in LA know how to drive because LA was developed after the advent of autos, while San Francisco is still set up for rickshaws and stage coaches.

― andy --, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

"San Francisco should just ban cars, nobody here drives for shit."

Amen.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

And it's ACTUALLY gotten worse in the last 5-6 years!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

i read that city supes are thinking of enforcing tolls on the heavily trafficked areas in downtown

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm with Michael. I get annoyed as hell at people who've pulled out into the intersection when the light turns red, but blaring your horn is not helping anything. San Francisco should just ban cars, nobody here drives for shit. ~~People in LA know how to drive~~ because LA was developed after the advent of autos, while San Francisco is still set up for rickshaws and stage coaches. ! ! !

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

This is kinda on-topic, or at least related:

Our shop is in a laneway just off of a major intersection. The laneway is not a thoroughfare - it is strictly a service laneway. At least once a month we get some idiot honking away on the horn, trying to get past either a) a delivery truck dropping off merchandise or b) a customer picking something up. Last week it was a woman (an off-duty cop, actually, who really should have known better) screaming at the FedEx guy, who really was just doing his job. We heard her admonishing him for a full five minutes, and one of our guys even stepped in to explain that FedEx Guy was just doing his job. Not good enough: she nattered for an additional ten minutes at both the poor FedEx Guy and my co-worker. Toronto cops are the fucking worst.

― Tantrum (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

get honked at will make people think twice about doing it next time (although probably not.)

No, it'll just make 'em defensive. If they're stuck in the box (surely this has happened at least once to you), they'll feel bad. I'm not sure about SF but in many cities, it's illegal to honk unless it's an emergency. At the risk of sounding like someone's Sunday school teacher, two wrongs don't make a right. Greyhound dude was righteously pissed but that gives him no right to piss off untold numbers of innocents in his vicinity.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

"i read that city supes are thinking of enforcing tolls on the heavily trafficked areas in downtown"

I love our city supes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

you've never misjudged, thought you'd make it through a frigging intersection, and then got stuck there? who the hell are you, mario andretti? sounds to me like the bus driver is the asshole. period.

― sehnsucht, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

"If they're stuck in the box (surely this has happened at least once to you), they'll feel bad."

It has never happened to me actually. The worst I've ever been is in the crosswalk and I always try to back up if at all possible. And I don't think that the MILLIONS of dumbasses who regularly clog up the area around the Bay Bridge entrance near 2nd St feel bad at all! They do it all the FUCKING time!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

honking = dud

but short honk + prolonged glare is a good response to blocking the box. But the underlying problem is that people are assholes.

― supercub, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

People inch their way out into areas that are clealy marked KEEP CLEAR because they're in a goddamn rush to go skiing or whatever. And then when you hollar or honk at them they just look straight ahead like they can't hear you.

― andy --, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm someone who drives fuckin' carefully! I gauge whether or not the car in front of me is going to move before I barrell headlong into the intersection. If it doesn't look like I am going to make it then I sit behind the white line. It doesn't make me Mario Fucking Andretti. It makes me fucking CONSCIOUS of the road in front of me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

A real SF motorist would've run some people over in the process of blocking the box.

― Who did release magic family out from the base of $499 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

"i read that city supes are thinking of enforcing tolls on the heavily trafficked areas in downtown"

As someone who, thankfully, can take MUNI to work but whose previous two jobs included lots of driving, I quickly worry when people seem eager to deprive other people of rights or services that they don't personally have much use for. I'm sure the Supes are looking at the example of inner London but since this is a smaller city and much of downtown actually leads to or from Bay Bridge/80/101 or 101 North this could be absolutely disastrous.

It makes me fucking CONSCIOUS of the road in front of me.

I wish more people were. I HAVE been caught in the box, years ago, when I was a new driver and the feeling of shame induced by having dozens of car wielding people hating you was instructive. Some people, have no shame.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

We're at the corner of 2nd and Bryant, right by the onramp to the Bridge. Some Friday nights you'd think you're in Mexico City of something...

― andy --, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

Hey, andy, do you know if the 'Interieur Perdu' French furniture and knick-knack emporium is still in that wacky building right past the actual on-ramp?

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i guess i'm just a total kneejerk honk-hater; living in new york, where taxi drivers and other retards routinely honk at the 30 cars in front of them in a traffic jam as if any of them can do a damn thing about it, would make anybody hate honking. i've never driven in san francisco, and in fact i've never before heard of anybody refer to any intersection as "the box," but in general intersection gridlock is a fact of life. deal with it, for christ's sake.)
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― sensucht, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

The Bay Bridge is stupid.

― adam.r.l. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

We give out tickets for 'blocking the box'. On some days at certain times, they'll bring out the DPT people to control traffic (since we're apparently all too stupid on our own).

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b7/200px-Bay_Bridge_collapse.jpeg

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

Also don't honk unless it's an emergency.

You'd hate Mexico, then.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

"As someone who, thankfully, can take MUNI to work but whose previous two jobs included lots of driving, I quickly worry when people seem eager to deprive other people of rights or services that they don't personally have much use for."

I missed the part where tolls equal deprivation. Can you maybe explain that?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

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― andy --, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

ABC News is doing their weeklong theme on traffic, they talked last night about Houston and how apparently their mayor ran as a one-issue candidate and won, that issue being traffic. It sounded like he is making some improvements with regards to getting traffic accidents off the road, improving communication so that drivers know what route is going to be the quickest, etc--but don't most city leaders know that increased road capacity doesn't really do much in the long term? If the Houston commute gets easier, it will just encourage more people to commute, then we're back to where we started.

of course I forget, he's a politician and wanted to get elected, blah blah.

― teeeny, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

the teaser for tonight's news was something like "Traffic: could YOU be the problem?" haha, can't wait to get home to the tivo and see how that actually turned out.

― teeeny, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

News report: "People of Earth! We of planet Tharg conclude that you spend too much time in cars..."

People in LA know how to drive

Hm.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

I missed the part where tolls equal deprivation. Can you maybe explain that?

For many working class people it will simply put another cost into their day or add time on as they try to get from the East Bay to Marin, or from the City to the East Bay, etc... while not really affecting many wealthier others, and I'm not sure how it would affect traffic and how it could be cost-effectively enforced. Additionally, since Union Square and the Embarcadero Centers are shopping areas with parking, I fear this will adversely affect them. Instead of tolls, why not higher parking charges during the work week? The bankers in this office, hardly any of whom drive, do sometimes park downtown and pay huge amounts of money which they later expense. Plus, the traffic downtown is nowhere near as bad as it was during the height of the boom. It seems like sensational menu politics to me.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

And it's ACTUALLY gotten worse in the last 5-6 years!

but it's gotten way better in the last three than it was the two years before that. 1999-2000-2001 were much, much, much worse. It used to take us three hours to drive from here to the airport. YES 3 HOURS. An hour and a half of that was just getting TO the bay bridge from downtown Berkeley. Then the dot.com crash happened and everyone moved back to wherever they were from.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

actually I don't think traffic in downtown SF is very bad at all now. Even a year and a half ago when I was commuting from Berkeley to Brisbane, coming back home at rush hour, I only had a commute over an hour twice, and both of those days were ball game days.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

For many working class people it will simply put another cost into their day or add time on as they try to get from the East Bay to Marin

San Rafael/Richmond bridge!!! much quicker than downtown SF

or from the City to the East Bay, etc...

Don't drive through downtown SF to get on bay bridge!!!

i don't see this as a soc/eco issue, you can get access to the bay bridge via many routes other than thru downtown SF!!!

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

"Greyhound horn blaring at a woman who unfortunately got stuck in an intersection leading to the Bay Bridge."

Who unfortunately decided to inch her dumb ass into the intersection and THEN got stuck there you mean. Fuck people who can't wait behind the line. They deserve to get honked at. Rude fuckers.

Last time I was in SFO I waited behind the line because I had no place to go, but the asshole behind me couldn't see that because he was facing uphill, so he kept honking at me because the light was green. Fucking fuck.

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

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