My sister is engaged to an asshole

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I just found out that my amazing-in-every-way sister got engaged to an asshole. I have issues with his unforgiving, rude, condescending behavior, and it doesn't help that he's old (almost 50, 15 years her senior) and not much to look at. She has never been married and wants kids.

Who has been in this situation before? What can you do? Rational persuasion doesn't work. Our family is essentially defunct now.

capsule child, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:02 (twenty years ago)

This happened to my sister, except she is a complete bitch and got all she deserved I reckon.

kate/papa november (papa november), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)

my sister-in-law (my brother's wife) sent me a valentine's.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

Capsule, you are in love with your sister and must move to Sweden and marry her.

latebloomer: HE WHOM DUELS THE DRAFGON IN ENDLESS DANCE (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

Yikes stence.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)

well my mom did too! it's just a nice thing to do.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

Capsule, I'd consult some late 70s/early 80s sitcoms for some goofy, wacky, tried and true techniques to fool your sister out of following through with the engagement...

seriously though, we're not hearing both sides of the story here. Without some attempt at self-refutation, I can't help give any useful advice, ya know?

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)

I mean, god forbid, he's "old" and "not much to look at".

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)

I mean, c'mon trayce, I'm not that kentucky.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:31 (twenty years ago)

xpost to Capsule.. If you say this guy is an asshole, I'll believe you, but your other superficial complaints are only hurting my ability to want to help you out here.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

Example: all of us were meeting for dinner. She was driving, so she handed her phone to me and asked me to ask him to pick up some bread on his way from his friends' house to her place. He said, to me on the phone, behind her back, and I quote verbatim, "Does she want me to stick a broom up my ass and sweep the floor, too? Is she always this bossy?". This is the second time I had met the guy, so I would not consider us to be particularly chummy.

Another example: they were in a car accident while my sister was driving a few months before that second time I met him. The accident came up in conversation, and he said, "Do you want to see what she did to me?" as he pointed to his teeth which had been injured in the accident.

Another example: she called me, in tears, because they had argued about him expecting her to cook and clean when she was at his house when he had his friends over.

Another example: they were having dinner with my mother, and he says to both my sister and my mother that he could, if he wanted to, date someone younger than my sister. WTF?!

I know that these little anecdotes aren't in the same league as "he hits her" or whatever. But to me, they are big red flags. I mean, sure, you can live with this, but why would you want to? There are better people out there.

It was unfair of me to comment on his appearance. But it is relevant that he is overweight and a smoker and therefore not the healthiest person out there, because the *only* doubt that my sister will admit to is the age difference (and she recognizes that she will outlive him, probably by a long time). Thank you for reading.

capsule child, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:58 (twenty years ago)

You can sit her down and talk to her and tell her that you think that he is emotionally abusive and not good enough for her etc., but really it's her life and I doubt you're going to be able to talk her out of it. You say she's 35, never been married, and wants to have kids. My guess would be that she may be fully well aware that she is "settling" for this fellow, but is desparate to get married and have babies. On the other hand, she may see things in him that you don't. People usualloy behave differently in front of others than they do alone. But either way, it's really her decision and not your place to do anything about it.

mouse (mouse), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

this guy's name chris?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

Um, is this guy loaded?

(ok, kidding.)

Well, is your sister sleepwalking into this, or does she really find something neat about him? I can totally understand you being very turned off by him, now that I heard some of these stories. But, I think each of us all know somebody who is "obviously with the wrong person".. and usually, there's not much one can do other than a) see how things work out and hope they do, or b) see that somebody learn the hard way.. and possibly keep re-learning the hard way again and again.

But it is relevant that he is overweight and a smoker and therefore not the healthiest person out there.

Is that relevant? It's relevant only in that he's sure to croak before your sister does, assuming she doesn't share this guy's health lifestyle. But your overweight and smoking complaint sounds like another superficial complaint to me.

Are you particularly close to your sister? (I'm asking earnestly.. you haven't really expressed this notion clearly yet, so I honestly don't know.)

zpost - HAHAHAHAHAHAH to blount's comment

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 06:07 (twenty years ago)

j blount: no.

capsule child, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 06:09 (twenty years ago)

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/album/pictures/ArchieBunker.jpg

Matt Chesnut, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

Thank you mouse and donut.

Does she find something neat about him? Yes. She was never really the "party" type of person, and I think he introduced her to stuff like going to bars and such. He is very confident (and yes, cocky), and I can see how that would be appealing. My sister also admits that he is very vain. He wants to be viewed as being a cool person.

I should have been clearer. My point is that the guy doesn't care much for his own health. Age difference and potential health problems make it certain that she will outlive him by a long time. He could be dead before their kid is ten years old. He refuses to change his lifestyle.

Are we close? I would say yes, but we live far away from each other. You may be thinking that I have some possession issue, but that is not the case. I would love for her to be married to some decent guy.

capsule child, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 06:22 (twenty years ago)

Thank you again for helping me think this through.

capsule child, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)

my brother is engaged to a conservative yuppie blonde chick. she's nice, and always liked to come with him to hang out in ann arbor with me, tho.

Kingfish MuffMiner 2049er (Kingfish), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

Authentic comments made by my sister's husband:

(When their 3-year-old son is playing with his baby sisters' dolls right beside him:)
- Haw haw haw, he's playing with dolls, good thing my friend XX is not here to see this, I mean, I'M homophobic but he's even worse.

(Regarding their live-in au-pair from the Philippines:)
- I think it's a really good thing that we got an au-pair from the Pilippines and not from, say, Denmark. I mean, a Danish au-pair would have MUCH higher demands, and want more money. They'd probably have more friends over as well.

Wtf.

Hanna (Hanna), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

(He's not an asshole though, he's nice most of the time, but I don't understand how my sis can stand him saying things like that.)

Hanna (Hanna), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)

". But your overweight and smoking complaint sounds like another superficial complaint to me."

What's wrong with that? Nobody wants to settle for a slob.

¬_¬ (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:11 (twenty years ago)

Exactly, I wouldn't want a sister of mine marrying some fat, old, wheezing, ugly bastard. Seriously. Fuck that.

David Merryweather (DavidM), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)

Last night I walked past a young guy on the street who was saying calmly into his cell phone, "I told you once, you touch my seester and I stab your eye. I know where you live. Now you watch out."

You should call the guy up and say that.

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

So Paul, what happened after you hung up on that guy anyway?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

is she's amazing in every way then surely she knows how to choose a man her own way.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

What's wrong with that? Nobody wants to settle for a slob.

-- ¬_¬ (adrian.langsto...), February 16th, 2005.


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Exactly, I wouldn't want a sister of mine marrying some fat, old, wheezing, ugly bastard. Seriously. Fuck that.
-- David Merryweather (i...), February 16th, 2005.

Yeah, you guys are right.. Capsule's sister should immediately drop that guy and just go shop for this adventurous, chivalric manhunk immediately:

http://www.collecttolkien.com/images/FigMattelKenDollLegolasDec2004$40.jpg

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

(I like how neither of you mentioned the 'asshole' part.. the truly pertinent part of all of this.)

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

If you say to your girlfriend, "I could date someone younger than you," and mean it, then I think you are an asshole. If you invite your girlfriend over to your house and then expect her to cook and clean for your friends, I think you are an asshole. I don't think I'm out of line saying that, and I don't think I am alone in thinking that.

capsule child, Thursday, 17 February 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)

I don't think anyone is arguing against that part, capsule. It's just that some people are still picking on this guy for the extraneous superficial issues -- which you unfortunately did bring up in the first place.

Is your sister more often in tears or more often in bliss? If the former, then I'd obviously talk some sense into her, and she's clearly making a decision that's not wise! I don't mean to project, but I hope she's not just finding the first man out there just because she thinks her expiration date for being a valid human being is up if she doesn't get hitched quickly. (the kids thing I can understand being more urgent about, since that is related to age, but still.. having kids with a potentially abusive father? Is that a good idea?)


donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 17 February 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

I don't think anyone is arguing against that part, capsule. It's just that some people are still picking on this guy for the extraneous superficial issues

Ok, I gotcha. Sorry - I obviously misunderstood your sentence, three posts up.

Thanks for your response, donut. Her emotions are a mix. I sense frustration sometimes - sometimes she expresses it aloud, sometimes she is silent. Does she have fun? Yes.

In her previous relationship, which lasted six years, her boyfriend was incapable of taking care of himself; she eventually wised up and dumped him. She will plainly state, though, that she was *happy* in that relationship. But, I think she realized that she could not have long term happiness with him.

Is it possible to have long term happiness with someone who belittles you? Total happiness - no. But total happiness is probably unreasonable. Day-to-day happiness - I guess it's possible. But if he is dead in ten years, then that obviously would not make her happy.

I know that I am applying my own, personal criteria for a "good relationship" onto someone else. I know that it is her own life. But it seriously *kills* me to hear her being insulted and belittled. If she can take it, well, I guess good for her.

Re: biological clock. Yes, she's hearing the tick tock.

Regarding her previous relationship, I told her that she should have had the foresight to realize that it wouldn't work out earlier on, instead of staying with him for six years (and it wasn't a casual relationship - they lived together) - his behavior and personality did not change for the duration. (Actually that was part of the problem - he didn't grow as a person and demonstrated no ambition in working toward something, improving yourself, etc.) I mean, if someone can't even house/feed himself, I'd think that after, say, a year (or two, or three) you'd realize that it's time to move on. The thing is (and this is the point I'm slowly getting at!) - she likes to take her time and work things out, slowly, hopefully, and optimistically. Working out problems is good, without a doubt. But I think that it is preferable to just *avoid* problems. Like, if her boyfriend said something insulting and she was upset and they worked it out and then made up, okay fine. But am I unreasonable in thinking that there are a lot of people who just wouldn't say the insulting thing in the first place? I told her to exercise foresight with her current relationship. It is unfair to speculate, but I can't help but think that she might have a signficant amount of regret, ten years from now. Will she regret having children? No, of course not. And she might push aside her regret and concentrate on the positivity of having children.

I want the very best for her, but I realize that "the best" is unreasonable to wish for. I just want her to find someone decent and kind, with whom she can spend many years with.

capsule child, Thursday, 17 February 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

sounds reasonable to me. Do you have any insight into how this guy she's with now would be as a father? If you don't, that's fine. It's a hard question to answer. (OK, now I can see where the smoking part becomes an issue... while I'm not about to damn parents who smoke in the presence of their babies, there are documented health issues regarding that situation.)

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 17 February 2005 05:46 (twenty years ago)

"Do you have any insight into how this guy she's with now would be as a father?"

kinda seems obvious doesn't it

¬_¬ (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Thursday, 17 February 2005 06:16 (twenty years ago)

Capsule: I was with a guy for two years who treated me very much like this guy is your sister. He belittled me, yelled shit at me, told me his friends "tolerated" me (which was crap), drank heavily and was a bit of a psycho. I loved him tho, and a lot of the time he was cool and I was happy.

However I had a lot of people such as family asking me why I was still with him, and in defensiveness I'd always say everything was fine. Didn't want to admit I made an error of judgement I suppose.

I guess my point is yes, this guy does seem like an ass, and if she is going to marry him that is a concern if he keeps this shit up. She wont be happy. But sadly there may be no telling her this. She might need to realise it for herself. It depends on her, I guess.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 17 February 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

Donut makes a good point abt the fatherhood thing too. If kids are a big priority for her this is Not Good at all. He don't seem like the fathering kind. What 50+ person would be if he didnt already have kids?

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 17 February 2005 06:27 (twenty years ago)

kinda seems obvious doesn't it

Not really. Have you met him? I haven't. Based on the stories, I'm not betting anything on him, but I've known assholes become better people after being given responsibilities like kids. It's rare, but it happens. Unfortunately, far more people think it happens than it really does.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 17 February 2005 06:44 (twenty years ago)

I have seen personally older people who thought "oh what the hell" and had kids after years of not wanting to... and regretting it. So yeah.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 17 February 2005 06:54 (twenty years ago)


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