it just occurred to me tho that as odd as this is, it also seems odd that customs have been preserved as they have tho relaxed over time, that it's deemed socially 'correct' now to kiss women (regardless of your own gender) whilst straight guys still only kiss women hello and goodbye, no-one else. i imagine this will not change for some time if ever.
hugging's a different thing that people generally seem slightly more comfortable with regardless of gender and sexual preference. it's good! a while back i started touching people when i said goobye, usually on the arm/shoulder, but more with men than women which goes back to the shyness thing again I figure.
other gestures: casual salute (do this sometimes, probably makes me seem like a twat - i've never done one like Rimmer in Red Dwarf tho honest), wink (can't do this, don't), touching fists (replaced the hi-five? this now seems to be totally uncool to do, at least for caucasians, hmm), head bows (imagine if this was more common in the West)...
what else? and what do you prefer to do?
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)
i read this as you like to shake hands as well as women and men. which would be kinda coolio. i dunno, i like to hug my friends. but usually i just shake hands and/or kiss. the problem is that depending from region to region people either give one, two or three kisses.
i RRRREALLY hate limp (?) handshakes. urgh.
― stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)
i've never kissed a man hello/goodbye - i wonder if that would ever become 'acceptable' for straight men in this culture, at least for those not affected by shyness.
i think it's going that way. before i went to university my male friends and i had an ironic 'handshake' thing, but since then it seems to have been replaced with actual handshaking. with women it was only at uni that the whole kissing thing took off as greeting/farewell gesture.
i tend to do a half-assed, generalized 'peace and fucking' type gesture, hard to render in word, because i say goodbye to everyone simultaneously and don't get into details.
― RNQ, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)
I don't kiss straight men, but I kiss all my gay friends.
that's interesting (if you're straight)
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)
― NRQ, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)
Because straight guys (including myself) get self-conscious kissing each other, and my gay friends will kiss anybody.
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)
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― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)
Find it really difficult to gauge whether the situation requires nods, or smiles, or handshakes, or kissing-on-cheek (and if so how many times).
― cis (cis), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)
― in sharky water, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)
I'm uncomfortable with the kiss on the cheek usually unless said cheek kiss is from an old or dear friend. Doing this routinely among people I hardly know kind of grates on my nerves. I always have to steel myself if I know this will be happening a lot in any given event.
― sgs (sgs), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)
― alix (alix), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)
― pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)
― Stephen X (Stephen X), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)
I got used to this living in France but it took a while and I've somewhat reverted to American mores in this regard. Kissing women whose name has hardly registered itself in my brain still seems a little forward here in the U.S. On the other hand, it's much easier in France, 'cause after a while you realize that people will feel odd/rejected if you don't.
It's strange, 'cause it has occurred to me that if I meet a woman at, say, the beginning of a party, I'll shake hands. If she and I, or she and my gf, or she and a friend of mine have a good time together, talk at length, etc... there's a good chance she'll get la bise on my way out.
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)
I hold up my palm quite a lot, esp. from a distance or saying goodbye to more than one person.
I find it fascinating how people differ so radically in what they feel comfortable with, in this area.
― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)
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― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)
I'm totally not comfortable with kissing, hugging and etc.
Ideally, I would give everyone a Mick Foley style Thumbs Up, with toothy grin. I don't have the confidence for this though.
― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)
― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)
― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)
― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)
one friend of mine, not a guy I know really well, he shops in the shop a bit and will always do a sort of hiphop type handshake (not to sound like John Major), this usually takes me by surprise.
occasionally I am ambushed by strong feelings of not wanting to hug/kiss someone as I say goodbye, or decide either way, maybe if I don't know them. I think it's ok to just say goodbye.
I relate to what Michael said, if I get along with a girl I've just met well, I might hug or kiss her at the end of a party or whatever.
Recently some of my friends made a big deal of a friend of mine kissing me on the lips to say goodbye, apparently they said if they saw their gfs kissing someone on the lips, not the cheek, they'd be very suspicious.
This seemed kind of weird to me I must say.
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)
― known vaginatarian (nickalicious), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)
― mouse (mouse), Thursday, 17 February 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 17 February 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)
― Paul Kelly (kelly), Thursday, 17 February 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)
The only time I shake hands with anyone is the first time I meet them. After that it's just weird and awkward to do it more than once. If people insist on kissing me, then I'll go along with it, but it's not really something I'll initiate unless I really feel comfortable with them.
Joe's family, half of them did the one-kiss on the cheek thing, but the other half of them did the two-kiss on each cheek thing. I NEVER figured out which one was going to do which and always ended up getting someone in the nose.
― Kate Kept Me Alive! (kate), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)
― alix (alix), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)
― Kate Kept Me Alive! (kate), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)
― kate/papa november (papa november), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)
I wonder if that would catch on...
― Kate Kept Me Alive! (kate), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)
I never shake hands unless someone else initiates it, because it's far more formal than I think i would ever want to be in a position to be.
― kate/papa november (papa november), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)
What's the fistcrunch, nickalicious?
― Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Thursday, 17 February 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 17 February 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 17 February 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 17 February 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)
This is harder than it sounds.
prof·fer tr.v. prof·fered, prof·fer·ing, prof·fers To offer for acceptance; tender.
― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)
― Stephen X (Stephen X), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)
― alix (alix), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)
With certain friends I do a Viking-style armshake where you grab the others forearm up near the elbow and say things like "May our paths cross again in the halls of Valhalla."
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Thursday, 17 February 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)
where did the double t-rex hand wave that girls do come from? it's like a "no wait you got it all wrong!" gesture before someone gets shot in a movie but instead of them backing up desperately they're walking forward happily.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 20:23 (twelve years ago)
I don't know what you're talking about but I like the T. Rex reference point.
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 20:26 (twelve years ago)
maybe it's a california thing? "hello!" "hi!" (t-rex double hand wave)
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 20:27 (twelve years ago)
I do the t rex double hand wave but I am a t rex
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 20:30 (twelve years ago)